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Subject: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 04 May 03 - 06:40 PM Back Home again........... Just wanted to say I really had a lovely time in Groningen with all of you on Saturday ... So sorry I couldn't stay on, but will try very hard to be there (wherever) next year.... Great to see Susanne again and to meet all the other people whose contributions to Threads I often read, but whom I never met before! And thank you Letty, for your hospitality! Maybe I'll see some of you somewhere around before the next meeting takes place, will be going to some UK festivals this summer, so who knows.. If you're ever in the area..(The Hague)...give me a shout! All the very best, see you again!!! Herma |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 04 May 03 - 07:18 PM Good to see you again, Herma! (Not to mention Letty, Eric, Greg, Pat & Richard, and Andreas, and all those Mudcatters I met for the first time this year.) Me and the goat's cheese got home in under four hours, to find that the cat had used my absence to roll in wet plaster (or something) and his fur was white in inappropriate places ... What a mess! Anyway, if you think Saturday was wonderful you don't know what you were missing the next morning: rising late to the truly marvellous hospitality Letty's parents extended to us at their home in Assen. The brunch prepared for us by Letty's mother and her friend was sheer delight! Just when we thought it was time for a little music in the sun-drenched back garden the soup was served. (Of course, this did nothing to stop the music ...) Hope all of you have got home safely so far, and the Yorkshire, Munich and Friedberg (Hessen) contingents will, in time. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: mooman Date: 05 May 03 - 03:28 AM What a great weekend! Thank you so much Letty for organizing a wonderful Gathering and to all involved, especialle Abe and Janny and Willem for their hospitality. The Good Lady McMoo and I enjoyed ourselves immensely. The music was superb throughout and the company as well. It was great to meet old friends and make some new ones and thank you to the weather as well for such a good day for Sunday and the brunch. I am sure The Viking will post up the "official record" of events once he gets home and I would like to jeopardize the reading of that fine journal by saying more at this point, particularly concerning the Viking/Skipjack K8 nocturnal activities! Thanks Letty and everyone involved for a terrific weekend! Love moo (Richard) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: mooman Date: 05 May 03 - 03:31 AM I would not like to jeopardize! (well I would but....!) moo |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 05 May 03 - 03:38 AM Thank You! Susanne for drawing me such a clear picture of what I've missed ----even more sorry now!!:-)) Happy to hear the cheese got home allright...and sorry for the warm welcome your cat gave you...pets got such subtle ways to remind us that they were left alone.... Wonder if Greg's dog gave him a likewise surprise, he told me he/she used to eat their Wellington's, who knows what he's found on his return... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 05 May 03 - 07:31 AM It was a lovely weekend indeed, I had great fun myself and sustained only minor injuries! More later? (yawn!) Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wolfgang Date: 05 May 03 - 11:25 AM Big thanks to Letty for organising and hospitality. A heartfelt goodbye to all those I couldn't say a personal goodbye. I went to see my cousin on Sunday and so had to miss the sunday morning and afternoon action. Those of you who recollect what I did on Saturday (Sunday morning) between 12.00pm and 2 am will know why I couldn't say goodbye on Saturday night. The most international song done was when the Dutch participants sang Wat zullen we drinken (What shall we drink) of the Bots. That has been a hit in Germany too, has been the tune to which Martin Carthy sang 'Willie's lady' and comes originally from Brittany. And I have reheard a beautiful German love song for the first time since some decades. I'll post it if I find the lyrics. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 05 May 03 - 06:51 PM Unfortunately, everybody agreed with the sentiments of Was wollen wir trinken - but nobody could remember the entire lyrics ... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Skipjack K8 Date: 05 May 03 - 07:17 PM Oh baby, am I tired? Just regained Skipjack Towers a trice before midnight on Day 4, having nursemaided that Viking back into the bosom of his family. I won't second guess what pearls of truth that Norse scribe will trot out; suffice to give it up for beautiful Letty, and her wonderful family, Abe, Janny and Willem the Moose. Damn, that was a mighty fine time Greg |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 06 May 03 - 02:55 AM Was wollen wir trinken: tune and entire lyrics in German are here. A lovely stay, I'm still recovering. My ode to Letty will be posted soon; I'm sitting here at work and have forgotten my notes. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 06 May 03 - 03:09 AM And the Dutch version is here. To limitate the findings search Google with "Wat zullen we drinken zeven dagen lang" (quotation marks essential). So you only get 6 pages. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: EtV@work Date: 06 May 03 - 03:38 AM Oi !! you skipjack, keep your hands off'n my bride to be!! I wasn't nursed, more the other way round. (if he comes round here-I'll say.."Oi you, keep your hands off'n my bride to be) More lies/stories later. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 06 May 03 - 08:37 AM I've already seen some lovely pictures that Glen and Ron sent me. Nice one of Wolfgang-collapsed-on-a-pile-of-pillows. I'm eagerly awaiting more incriminating evidence! Still recovering, I can't write a report just yet. Eric, remind me to sleep on the floor next time I get drunk, so I won't flatten you again. Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: GUEST,EtV@work Date: 06 May 03 - 09:33 AM It will be my pleasure Letty, but please don't sleep between me and Skipjack, as we've vowed nothing will ever come between us again after we squashed the sandwiches between us on the train. What a wonderful time, these are the best of days. Words are not enough to express all the wonderful things, done this weekend, the wonderful people,hospitality and friendship, so exageration and lies will have to do when I get the time as I'm at school right now and supposed to be working! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 06 May 03 - 10:29 AM Strange tidings, skipjack - the Viking has a family in whose bosom he is welcome? I thought you had him tipped off in King Haakons longboat and fixed him with his plait on his oar ... or in the scuppers with a hose pipe on him ... This reminds of a song our Dutch friends performed about the men with beards on board, which suited especially the elder male specimens of the participants. I must confess that I enjoyed it more than What shall we drink, since my third name Corneel = Cornelius is mentioned. Oh the memories of those wonderful days! Especially Patricia's song about her old town. I reaaly started to cry, and didn't know why ... [hey, a rhyme!] Without music the soul will wither, and meeting you all was the best medicine. Wilfried (knocking off work) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 06 May 03 - 08:42 PM Sandwiches, Eric??? I thought it was a Viking that got squashed on the train ... Anyway, having sampled Dutch hospitality we now know how Dutch ladies manage to acquire their size! (A case of throwing stones in the glass house, I'm afraid, and entirely unfair on the fair Letty who is a slender reed compared to me ...) Incidentally, did anyone happen to find anywhere a blue minidisc with a programme about the German singer Ernst Busch? I'd love to get it back but can't imagine where I lost it. Probably will turn up in good time, same as Letty's watch! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: EtV@work Date: 07 May 03 - 03:38 AM The sandwiches were provided by the fair Letty for the return trip, Greg and I went on to Lieden for the afternoon to see some friends. Have not found a mini disc.Letty's watch turned up, where she had left it!! (By Willem's PC)What a great time !!!! I haven't really come down from it, but have been confronted with the reality of back to school, so have not yet time to post. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 07 May 03 - 04:21 AM Judging by the number of posts on this thread, everyone is still recovering!!! Although Wilfried sounds pretty fresh and awake... I think we have created some new mudcatters: my German friends Iris, Frank and Anne are looking forward to coming to Lincolnshire next year (with their lovely gypsy van). My grandfather (the one who's never made music in his entire life, but enjoyed it so hugely that he grabbed a shaky egg!) says thank you again. Did you know he was supposed to leave with Ina at 23h, but refused to go? Today's elderly...Tsk. Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 07 May 03 - 06:19 AM And here my promised Ode To A Ringleader There's a Sally and Nanny and Fanny and Betty, But I prefer a young blonde Letty. Letitia is a name of joy Made all sorrows to destroy It's a name of certain fame, Even beyond the gray green sea In both directions windward and lee Even the Vikings know her name. She holds the fiddle strong and bold, She plays it without limitation And dedicated concentration Imitating a rabbit's snout. [Chorus: How lovely!] So let me end my praise and lift my glass: Dank u wel, mevrouw - Thanks, bonnie lass! [Chorus: Cheers!] as composed and recited on May 3, 2003 at Cleopatra's. I hope, MudGuard has forgiven me now all my sins, but poets are jealous - if one starts writing a poem, the other one can't stop to do the same. It was my first MudMeet, and I must say: It was more than nice to meet you all and hear you playing and singing. And now, methinks, we are all eager to read MudGuard's excellent rhymed chronicle of the memorable event. Come on, boy! Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 07 May 03 - 06:31 AM Patience, Wilfried, MudGuard is still cycling around. Thanks for posting the poem, although I'm not entirely happy with the rabbit reference :-) |
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Subject: RE: lyr. add: Ich hab die Nacht From: Wolfgang Date: 07 May 03 - 09:29 AM I said I had reheard a beautiful song in Groningen and I'll post it here. It has a beautiful very old tune which you can find at the site from The translation is mine. Wolfgang
ICH HAB DIE NACHT GETRÄUMET |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wolfgang Date: 07 May 03 - 09:32 AM new try:
ICH HAB DIE NACHT GETRÄUMET |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 07 May 03 - 10:09 AM That is beautiful Wolfgang, thank you. (I prefer flow rather than leak, btw) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wolfgang Date: 07 May 03 - 11:33 AM We missed you and not only you, Noreen. 'Leak' is verbatim, 'flow' I put in because I too considered it better. 'Rinnen' means a very slow and thin flow, the minimum that is still continuous before it becomes drops. Trickle? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 07 May 03 - 11:46 AM Trickle is good. I want to hear more details and see photos, please. Would have loved to have been there with you all. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 07 May 03 - 12:51 PM The other German song that was sung (although it is Plattdeutsch) was 'Fünf Söhne'. Translation, Wolfgang/Susanne/Wilfried? Fünf Söhne Ick heff se nich op de Scholen gebracht Ick heff nich ejnmal över se gelacht Se gahnt nich speelen op de Straten Ick heff se op de wilde See gesandt, ehren levesten Vader to söken De een de starv den bidderen Doht De anner de starv von Hunger so groht De drüdde wart gehangen De veerde bleev op de wilde See doht De fiefte flut achter dem Lanne Un sa se nu op den Kerkhoff kam Dor reip se Gott eren himmlischen Vader an Un bedet all mit Fliete Dat er Gott wull de Sünnen vergewen Un halen er in sien Rike |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 07 May 03 - 01:01 PM For Noreen, a few memorable moments: - the manager of Sally O'Brien's asking us back the next day (he offered free food!). Although the DJ was a bit disappointed that he did not get to do his 'thing' (we had to pause the session to give the poor chap a chance) - Wolfgang asleep on a pile of pillows in a corner of the bar, but, when woken, still insisting that he was enjoying himself :-) - the nice mix of songs and tunes, and of different styles: my brother starting off a series of blues tunes, Ron singing Billy Joel, Pat's lovely voice, and yes, Skip and Eric singing beautifully too - the tour guide from the tourist information and her lover, who showed up at the session and stayed - Andreas's lovely poem on Sunday (he'll post it later) - the brunch my mother prepared: although the table was completely full, and despite having soup as a back-up, she persisted in believing she would not have enough food |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wolfgang Date: 07 May 03 - 01:36 PM That song must have been sung when I was 'enjoying myself' (grin). I'm sure Susanne can improve my attempt, but here ye go: Five sons "I haven't sent them to school I haven't laughed with them they don't play on the street I have sent them to the wild sea to seek their dear father. One died a bitter death the next died from hunger so great the third was hung the fourth remained dead on the sea the fifth floats (?) behind the land." When she now came to the churchyard she called God the heavenly father and prayed all with....(?) that God may forgive her sins and that he may her call home into his kingdom. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 07 May 03 - 08:24 PM Lovely, thanks, Letty dear! You left out another memorable moment... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 08 May 03 - 04:53 AM Which one would that be Noreen? I hope you're not referring to the Sunday night... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 08 May 03 - 05:40 AM You tell me what happened on Sunday night, Letty, and I'll tell you if it was that... :0) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: EtV@work Date: 08 May 03 - 10:55 AM Letty, speak not, for for Skip and I will ever close our hearts and mouths,our minds will be washed clean of memories that might cause you emabarasment, only purity of thought will pass between our 3 brain cells (Skip has 2 and I have 1) your secrets will be safe with us (well, me anyway. I can't vouch for Skip)so believe me when I say I won't ever tell anyone you were rat arsed and that I have the photo's to prove it. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: EtV@work Date: 08 May 03 - 10:57 AM Oh! I shouldn't have said that. Everyone please don't read the post before this one! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 08 May 03 - 01:44 PM Eric, if you don't tell them about Sunday, I won't tell your partner about our wedding! Seriously, I should consider writing up a report now before you do... :-) Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 08 May 03 - 02:08 PM Hee hee! Conflicting reports will be interesting. We know that every word eric writes is the truth... but I have my sources, Letty! :0) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 08 May 03 - 02:09 PM When Skipjack, Eric the Viking, MudGuard and I visited the Westerbork camp (a "Durchgangslager", where Jews, Roma and dissenters were put on transport to the concentration camps during WWII) on Sunday, I played a Dutch version of Leonard Cohen's "The Partisan" in the car, with some very appropriate lyrics, since it was also Remembrance Day. I posted these lyrics here, with a translation, if you are interested. Visiting the Westerbork site on Remembrance day certainly left an impression on me, especially with the haunting music of Chopin coming from the amplified grand piano they had transport to the middle of the forest (and it really is a long walk there!). |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Eric the Viking Date: 08 May 03 - 03:40 PM It was the saddest place I have ever been to.The memorial tiles went on forever, a testament to mans' inhumanity to man. We haven't come very far have we? On a lighter note,Letty, Dawn says it's ok, but you'll have to take my guitars etc and listen to the folk music-no problem there then. I'm glad Max is going along OK-tell him he'll be in trouble if he upsets you. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 08 May 03 - 07:21 PM Check out this site made by Laurens: pictures from the city tour and from the Saturday night session, plus sounds (on page 6)! Sound 1 is me singing Griogal Cridhe, sound 2 Pat singing Song for Ireland, sound 3 is Ruth, Willem and me playing a Finnish tango, sound 4 the end of Hava Naguila (everyone), sound 5 is Eric (I think) singing Side by side. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 09 May 03 - 06:03 AM Translation: 3. ... bedet all mit Fliete (mit Fleiß): prayed eagerly Thanks, Letty, for the pictures. Nr 6, by the way, shows me again that I should have my hair cut more often; magnified it looks like a jungle. By the way, you see our nice town guide and me (a town guide also) exchanging hints and tricks for doing guided tours in English. Interesting brain cell count, Eric: 1 for you and 2 for skip - him pregnant? By whom? Or may this secret be buried between you both? Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: EtV@work Date: 09 May 03 - 10:50 AM Ah Wilfried-I think he's after increasing the gene pool-might be one belonging to Andreas!! Can it be one week ago I was heading for the airport. The time has gone so quickly. Life has not returned to normal yet, I still think I am in the Nederlands (and wish I was) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 09 May 03 - 11:46 AM I can't believe it's been a week since the meeting either... Maybe I should be writing some stuff down before I forget. What happened last week (abridged), part 1. I arrived in Groningen on Thursday, to help clean my brother's student flat to acceptable adult hygiene levels (we skipped the kitchen cupboards, but I think we got away with it!). After a long night in town (preparation) playing pool (beating the guys, well 2 of them anyway, of course I let Max (later scared away from visiting me by what he described as huge guys standing in the living room, thereby referring to MudGuard, Eric and Skipjack) win), returned home safely and completely sober (honest). The first to arrive in Moose Mansion on Friday was, ever pünktlich as only Germans can be, MudGuard, even though he came by bike! :-) Don't get too impressed: he didn't cycle down all the way from Munich, he took the train as well. Maybe he only cycled five minutes from Groningen station, I don't know. MudGuard joined me when we walked my dog Kerry (who slept in the same room as Eric and Skip and looks like a black sheep, but don't draw any conclusions) through the historical park (English garden style), and we saw a bit of the city centre as well. Groningen is a university city with about 180,000 inhabtants, 25% of whom are under 30: so there's always lots to do, and the pubs flourish. Then it was time to move downtown. We had booked a table at Sally O'Brien's, an Irish pub, and Gerry the manager (who to my surprise is actually Irish, as I always figured that O'Brien's was a fake Irish bar) had promised us we could play after dinner. After ordering a few pints, MudGuard and I were still the only ones present, and I was beginning to worry about the fate of the other mudcatters... A few drinks later, we found out that part of the German delegation (Frank, Iris, Anne and Ute) had indeed arrived in Groningen, but were both stuck in Groningen's infamous one-way system and had forgotten, of all things, to bring their B&B address (!)... After a few phonecalls, Willem and I found out where they were staying, and we were ready to settle down. Although I had forewarned the staff, Sally O'Brien's managed to break EuroGathering (tm) restaurant traditions: not only did the food arrive in the correct order, complete with side dishes, but MudGuard wasn't the last to get served (ok, second last, but still)! During the course of the meal, more mudcatters arrived: Wolfgang and Susanne arrived together, and Mooman was dropped off too. After dinner, we started a session, still a bit hesitant, but slowly gaining confidence and praise from the staff (we had scared the customers away, apparently: it was very quiet and we practically had the bar to ourselves). The only person who was less pleased was the DJ who had been hired to play (overly loud) music that night (well, we HAD told them we were coming, so why bother?). Poor chap. We gave him a break of about half an hour to 45 minutes to do his thing, which gave me the chance to collect Eric and Skipjack from the station. Mooman had already announced them to the bar staff as 'two famous musicians from England', so once they joined us, the session was back online. Gerry the manager was so happy, he offered us food if we could come back the next day. After closing time, we found out how many mudcatters fit into Susanne's car, and went home for coffee (or African rooibos tea all the way from England) and sleep. The dog was very glad to see us. [to be continued] |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 09 May 03 - 12:52 PM What happened last week (abridged), part 2. The next morning. Made Eric his long-awaited uitsmijter, although I forgot the ham. Skipjack was being fussy about his tea again, and Susanne found her way to us as well (she survived sleeping in a car in Groningen's slums, tough lady). Then we went shopping. Well, I usually hear people complain about women spending ages in shops, but the gentlemen S. and E. have turned shopping into an art form :-) Not only did we visit two music shops, but they had to see for themselves if the Dutch Halfords was any different from the English. In the recordshop, we were treated to a short promotional concert by the Jayhawks, who did a signing afterwards (Eric got a signed cd). We emerged from the shops just in time to have some poffertjes (tiny pancakes with lots of sugar) before the tour. By this time, everyone had arrived, so Pat, Glen, Ron, Ken and Herma joined us for sight-seeing. Tour guide Pauline and her bloke Laurens then showed us around Groningen, and she didn't even mind our jokes. We walked about 2 hours, and Laurens took pictures which you can see on the link that I posted a few entries back. We invited them for the session, and sure enough, they came. After the tour, we went back to get our instruments and paid a short visit to Sally O'Brien's again (reservations for group dinner failed: the town was full...). After that, it was on to Cleopatra's, a student bar that we rented for this occasion, complete with musical bar staff (thanks, Willem and Monique) and student prices (coffee: 20cents). While some of us were busy having pizzas or unpacking 5 different bagpipes (Frank), my father Abe (guitar) and his friends Ruth (fiddle) and Ina (clarinet) treated us to a short concert. Together with an accordian player (who was missing, on a workshop for Greek folk music), they form the folk group Étoile du Nord, and they play mainly Scandinavian and Eastern European (gypsy, Klezmer) folk. Ruth showed off her clogs to impress the tourists (she must be the only city dweller left wearing them!). [to be continued] |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 09 May 03 - 01:26 PM Addition: Wilfried arrived at 21:45, Friday |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 09 May 03 - 01:31 PM Sorry Wilfried, I hadn't counted the Germans properly! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 09 May 03 - 01:32 PM Five sons, 2. The fifth is gadding about as a tramp[?] (found a rough translation in my favourite song book "Der Turm", nr 348) Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 09 May 03 - 02:46 PM I'm living it with you, Letty. Don't stop! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 09 May 03 - 03:42 PM What happened last week (abridged), part 3. After Étoile du Nord, the session started. This is the part I think is hardest to describe, not only because I can never remember Irish tune titles (except of course for The Mason's Maid, The Lonesome Road to the Well, Jenny Picking Chickens and other famous tunes). There were many highlights, and it's hard to pick a few (and I'm bound to offend people again). The music was so rousing that my old grandfather even joined in with the shaky eggs at one point. I think my own egg is jealous, 'cause I didn't even use it that night. Some songs that were done have been mentioned already: First of all, all instrument players were playing like they've been practising together for years. We had a nice combination of instruments, with Skipjack on box and fiddle, Mooman and Eric on various guitar-shaped instruments (I spotted Eric playing the banjo, I did!), Ken Gilman on fiddle and mandoline, Frank doing a few bagpipes solos, Anne on flute and Iris on recorders. Only one bodhran was spotted and played respectably :-) Ute, who doesn't play an instrument, was forced to undergo a baptism of fire and played a spoons solo during Ryan's Polka! Lady McMoo was in fine voice, and sang a lovely version of Our Town (so nice, that when my mother downloaded the one by Iris DeMent, she was disappointed: she much prefers Lady McMoo's rendition), plus several other songs such as Fisherman's Dream and Song for Ireland. There were a couple of fine German songs, which have been posted, by Iris and Anne. Then there was a brave attempt by the Dutch contingent to revive some of their folk songs (even though those songs are rarely heard and taught, they only came back to us slowly): Al die willen te kaapren varen (sailors have to have beards), Island (fishing near Iceland), Komt vrienden in het ronde (praising the knife-sharpener's job), and Wat zullen we drinken (drinking song). Ron made me very happy by singing my favourite Billy Joel song (She's got a way), and there were more songs I just can't recall right now. Later at night, my brother Willem successfully introduced some blues into the mix (he plays the guitar), and we ended up singing a lot of well-known songs such as House of the Rising Sun and (strangely) Hava Naguila. Monique sang Juliette (Knopfler), and a couple of other songs, and told me afterwards that she thought we were such a polite lot because we had been praising her whereas usually "people just tell me to shut up!". But honestly, she's a fine singer. The session went on quite late (a bit too late for some, but then there was a pile of pillows in the room!), and I think we left at about 2 AM. After a midnight snack on the main square (all night chippy, and everyone mistrusted the snacks-from-the-wall!), we slowly walked home. Poor Wolfgang had to sleep in the kitchen, because he'd been thrown out of his hotel (just a joke: it was just full). [to be continued] |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Skipjack K8 Date: 09 May 03 - 03:58 PM You've a fanciful mind, young Letty. I've got it on good authority that the Viking is about to upload the definitive article....... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 09 May 03 - 04:22 PM Fanciful, me? It's all true! Wait for part 4...*impending doom* |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 09 May 03 - 04:41 PM What happened last week (abridged), part 4. Although we were floored, we had to get up fairly on Sunday morning. We had to say goodbye to Wolfgang & (the night before) Herma, but the rest of us went to Assen, a town 27km down the road from Groningen, where Janny (whose major role model in life is Mrs Doyle), Abe and Brigitte were about to serve brunch. Although from every perspective the amount of food was copious, to say the least, my mother was very worried she wouldn't have enough and managed to serve lunch (soup) only a few hours later. The weather was absolutely lovely on Sunday, so we all sat in the garden, chilling and playing a few tunes and songs, and managed not to upset the neighbours. During the course of the day, several 'catters had to leave, and when the group was down to MudGuard, Skipjack, Eric and me, we went to Westerbork, which was impressive, especially on that particular day, I felt. After dinner, we went back to Groningen, spotted a few interesting ships, and had a few drinks to celebrate a good weekend. Oh, and we didn't manage to find any marihuana, which is probably a good thing. :-) [the end, or is it?] |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 10 May 03 - 03:36 AM Hi Letty - Spent an hilarious hour downloading the fine pictures and remembering the events. Give Laurens my thanks. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 10 May 03 - 04:32 AM Letty, Thank you so much for getting me updated on events after I left.... Told you before, will be there next time, hope I have learnt by then how the guitar (that I bought only 3 weeks ago...) works and promise to sort out some of the songs I usually sing... Thanks to Laurens to take those really nice pictures... herma |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 10 May 03 - 04:40 PM BTW, who left a red polo-shirt behind in Moose Mansion? Or is this a sign? Had a gig tonight, and we got a few nuns to dance the polka. Great. Next time, I'll try plugging in my electric fiddle, if only I can get my hands on a cheap(ish) wah wah pedal. Love, Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 10 May 03 - 07:31 PM Letty, thanks for your exhausting - sorry, exhaustive report! All I can add is that minidiscs cost twice as much in Holland as in Germany, that our (that is Herma, Wolfgang and me) Chinese meal on Saturday night fully met our expectations - it was great - and that Groningen is a lovely and lively city. I'd love to come back some day - but with you moving to Ireland I may be tempted to go and see you there ... Herma, take a holiday, come and see me and let's practise a few songs for the next gathering! (Which will no doubt be swamped by Yorkshire Mudcatters, so we'll need to do something!) BTW, what make is that polo shirt? I think I've got all the red ones I own, but still ... Does it have a tiny Canadian flag stuck to the collar? |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 10 May 03 - 09:44 PM And of course I am terribly ashamed of myself for forgetting Richard's birthday! So, belatedly but still - many happy returns, mooman! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 11 May 03 - 02:10 AM The label in the red polo shirt reads: Ragman XL made in USA. It might be MudGuard's, is he back in the land of the living yet? |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: GUEST Date: 11 May 03 - 11:39 AM Hello, Susanne - shame on you! Didn't you read the thread Mooman celebrates? So I was late only 1 day. Now I'm sitting in an Internet Café after a guided tour through my home town, drinking beer (but only in tiny glasses) and refreshing my memories by this fine thread. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 11 May 03 - 04:06 PM I've got a stash of photos here (Laurens's, Glen and Ron's, my father's), any idea where I can put them online? Or, if I mail them to Mudcat, how do I put captions on them? Letty, considering brushing her hair more often and losing weight after seeing the photos |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Skipjack K8 Date: 11 May 03 - 04:23 PM Shucks, Letty, we kinda like you that way |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 11 May 03 - 04:38 PM Well, then I'll start with just brushing my hair :-) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Eric the Viking Date: 11 May 03 - 06:11 PM Three nights and three mornings and three days together and you didn't even voulunteer to do MY hair....Some mail order bride!!! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 11 May 03 - 07:03 PM Ah, Eric, if I can't do my own hair, how am I supposed to do yours? Here are the photographs my father made: evidence. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 11 May 03 - 07:58 PM Lovely pics, Letty, thanks to you and your dad. If you send the link to Pene Azul, he can lift photos and captions for the Mudcat events page. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MudGuard Date: 11 May 03 - 08:12 PM Finally made it home some minutes ago - going to bed in another minute. poem will be typed up after I had some sleep... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 12 May 03 - 02:05 AM Hi MudGuard - May 12! Are you still sleeping? Reise, Reise, der Bäcker von Laboe ist da! (Rise, rise, the baker of Laboe is there! Old German Navy call, bawdy parts left out) Hi Letty - Thanks for the fine pictures; I am still recovering mentally from the event. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 12 May 03 - 08:47 AM Letty's text of the Five Sons seems a little bit neerlandized (?). I give the East Frisian version of 1575 as cited in Zupfgeigebhansl, 160. ed., 1934, pg. 78: 1. Ik hebbe se nich up de Scholen gebracht, Ik hebbe nich einmal över se gelacht, Se gaent nich spelen up der Straten. Ik hebbe se up de wille See gesandt, Eren levesten Vader to söken. 2. Dat eine starf den bittern Dod, Dat ander starf von Hunger so grot, Dat drüdde wort gehangen, Dat verde blef up de wille See dot, Dat vifte flut achter dem Lande. 3. Wan se wol up den Kerkhof quam, Se reip God sinen hemmelschen Vader an Un bedet all mit Flite: Dat em God wolde de Sünde vorgeven Un halen en in sin Rike. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 12 May 03 - 08:54 AM Typed too fast, the title of the songbook is Zupfgeigenhansl. W. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 12 May 03 - 09:12 AM Wilfried, I did not change these lyrics! There in Plattdeutsch from the Elten region, not East Frisian. Or so I'm told. But I speak only a little West Frisian (born in Ljouwert, or Leeuwarden in proper Dutch). Fryslan boppe! Din lytse poppe. Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 12 May 03 - 09:17 AM There = they are For a nice little site about Frisian and English: click here. Lots of correspondences between the two, as (west-)Frisian is the closest relative of the English language. To prevent thread creep: Shall I put Glen and Ron's pictures online too? Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 12 May 03 - 09:20 AM Please, do! Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MudGuard Date: 12 May 03 - 11:08 AM Ok, here some statements: 1. the red polo shirt can't be mine! I don't wear red polo shirts. And also I do not wear shirts as small as XL... 2. I did not cycle only 5 minutes to Letty, I cycled all the way from Papenburg/Ems 3. No, Wilfried, I have not forgiven you all your sins - I can't, I only know about one (which is forgiven - but not forgotten ;-) ) 4. Thanks to all for saying most of the things I wanted to say on this thread, safes me lots of typing... Thanks, Letty, for organizing that great weekend! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MudGuard Date: 12 May 03 - 11:11 AM And here, as promised, the poem. After reading it in Assen, I added a line or two - I marked them here in blue: To Letty In the northernmost town of the Netherlands Came together a big number of musical friends On the first weekend of the month of May In the year of the Lord twothousand and thray We came together because Letty - A young lady who is very pretty - Wrote on the Mudcat: "Come together! I will organize a Euro MudGather!" From Germany, Belgium and the Juu Kay To Groningen we all made our way One rode on the bike, some on the train, Some came by car, and some by plane. When I to the Deliplein did come Letty gave me a hearty welcome. She did also wash my cycling shirt which was full of sweat and full of dirt Some of us did stay at your brother's place Which will be known as Hotel Willem's Palace The place is full of many mooses In every shape and for all uses. In the evening we were in a pub To make music, to drink and for the grub. We played the whistle, guitar and the mandolin, Sung, listened or tuned the violin. Each night at Willem's before falling asleep Greg and Eric were discussing the advantages of sheep Saturday morning Letty tried to find Her watch that had hidden behind The computer where Letty it found After moving all the furniture around. She also found money plenty Of the old Guilders a note of twenty. In the afternoon by a guide we were shown The important places of Groningen town. At the Cleopatra, two students, one of each gender Cared for our thirst by playing bar tender. The one was Willem, Letty's brother And a friend called Monique was the other. Again there was music and many a song We had much fun many hours long. I detected with a very big grief That Wilfried is a little thief I told him of this poem, and after short time He had written and told his own little rhyme Wolfgang did have luck too bad For Saturday night he got no bed He tried every hotel and hostel in town In Willem's kitchen he was thrown. On Sunday morning a big bunch Of us went to Letty's parents for brunch For which we are very grateful I can say after having a mouth full The food prepared by Abe and Janny Was easily enough for twice as many! On Monday morning when I went to unlock My bike I got a mighty shock! It was leaning there against the wall and was not locked, not locked at all! At long last now I am back home safely After cycling through Holland and Germany bravely. I think I speak for Wolfgang and Susanne, For Frank and Iris and Ute und Anne, For Erik the Viking, Skipjack and Ken Herma, Wilfried, Ron and Glen, And for the Dutch group's every member, even if th names of them I can't remember Also for Lady McMoo and Richard And of course for myself, that is MudGuard Thanks, Letty for the splendid organization You are the pride of the Dutch nation! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Eric the Viking Date: 12 May 03 - 11:59 AM Disgusting, slanderous,how dare you write about me and Greg discussing sheep, would we ever say anything like that? Great stuff Andy, Great to see you,and great fun. By the way, if the Red polo shirt is not yours, it's not mine or Greg's (we undress each other) It's not Willem's, It must be Wolfgang's, or How did you manage to get Susanne's shirt off you cunning old bugger? What a wicked time!!!! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 12 May 03 - 12:16 PM That's lovely, MudGuard, and all very true, in spite of some protests here and there! I like your use of visual rhyme :-) Glad you made it home safely. You know, I enjoyed myself so much, that if Skipjack is swayed to set another date for next year's EuroGathering by that grumpy lot in the other thread (wave!), I'll do an extra mudcat weekend in Cork in the May weekend! Letty, pondering: Will the polo shirt mystery ever be solved? Will Groningen's sheep ever recover? Did Frank really kill a cow to make his horny bagpipe? |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 12 May 03 - 02:04 PM And yet another message from me: I've now put everything I've got online, including Glen and Ron's pictures (without their permission, they can now sue me!), plus a link to Laurens's page, so every photo I've seen from the meeting can now be found under this link (and if you happen to take a course with me, your exam results will be published here too!). Love, Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MudGuard Date: 12 May 03 - 02:49 PM Thanks, Letty, for putting the pictures online! I will defend you in case Glen and Ron try to sue you! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 12 May 03 - 05:58 PM Letty,I'll be very wary of taking any courses with you in the future ... except a very strict one! Eric, I have to disappoint you: I think I've got all the red polo shirts life has allotted to me so far (plus, the minidisc rematerialised as well - in the glove compartment). Besides, my car may be big enough for sleeping one, but definitely not for anything that may have crossed your filthy mind ... You sure the polo shirt isn't a red sheep in disguise? Now I'm off to have a look at the new photos. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 12 May 03 - 06:35 PM Don't worry, Susanne, it will be completely anonymous, marks are listed under your student number. Anyway, I can be persuaded to give top marks to friends, so I'd say, read up on Bede and you're in (BTW, could you send me the list of addresses, I really have to start blackmailing people now)! Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Eric the Viking Date: 12 May 03 - 07:02 PM Susanne, how unkind-I am deeply hurt, how could you say I have a filthy mind,it's much cleaner than skipjacks underwear!! tsk! tsk! Did I malign you in anyway? I always thought you were a gentle woman of noble breeding-now you are on my list like the rest of them!!!!! Glad you found all your possessions. Don't worry Letty, the date is fixed for next May so we'll see you then, unless before, you never know-that's not a threat! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 13 May 03 - 03:53 AM What a fine way to begin this morning, reading the additions to the thread and looking at new pictures. Have a good time today and evermore. Wilfried |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 13 May 03 - 05:19 AM The red polo shirt is mine! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 13 May 03 - 08:29 AM Noreen, will you come and get it? :-) I'll give it a quick wash first. You'd be most welcome! Letty |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 13 May 03 - 09:28 AM I'll keep an eye on the 1p flights, Letty dear :0) |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MudGuard Date: 13 May 03 - 11:25 AM Noreen, the only bad things about the weekend: You were not there and you did not sing "Hard times"! I was missing you! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Noreen Date: 13 May 03 - 01:28 PM Andy, what can I say? Wish I'd been there too. Loved looking at the pics, Letty. Now, Skip will be surveying all the local eateries to find one for next year with the requisite level of service... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 13 May 03 - 03:25 PM Do I understand rightly that the next gathering will be in Yorkshire??? in May 2004??? Told you before(I think), got out of touch a bit last year! May have missed some threads... Susanne, this may mean we will have to awaken a lot of (the other) German and Dutch mudcatters to start practising loads of music and to come along !!! Maybe we'd better start that anyway , no matter where the next meeting will take place! Herma |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MMario Date: 13 May 03 - 03:37 PM well - that's the next Euro-Mudmeet; there is a gather in Yorkshire in a couple weeks; there is one this weekend in Central PA (I think) - the FSGW (Mudcat welcome) Getaway Weekend in October; The Mystic Music festival the 2nd weekend of June, etc, etc, etc. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 13 May 03 - 03:42 PM Herma, it's not very clear from the title, but this is the thread for the next EuroGathering: click. It's in Lincolnshire, and Skipjack will organize it. I think we could pick some Laïs songs (do you know them?) and learn those by heart? I don't know any other Dutch MudCatters, although Wil Bakker was originally planning to come along (haven't heard from him since, hope he's OK). |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Eric the Viking Date: 13 May 03 - 03:48 PM The gathering for next year in Europe is 30 April/1/2nd of May at Barrow on Humber. (Close to hull) See this thread.thread.cfm?threadid=59455&messages=52 |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 13 May 03 - 04:02 PM Letty, Thanks for directing me to the other thread.. don't know any Laïs ??songs, but have an open mind (or ear) let me know where to find them and I will certainly try to learn them by heart! Yes, do know a few other Dutch Mudcatters, friends of mine, among them the friend that I sing with most of the time... she's let me know, she's already warming up to be at the next meeting, tempted by this thread we're putting together. Aquainted with a few more Dutch mudcatters from around here, will try to talk them into coming as well!! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 13 May 03 - 04:04 PM And Eric as well!! Thanks! Will start saving up money from now on.... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Letty Date: 13 May 03 - 04:09 PM Laïs are a Flemish group, three girls who sing traditional Flemish and Dutch songs (and more exotic ones as well). Check out their website , and you can probably find their cds in every record shop (even V&D). |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Herma Date: 13 May 03 - 04:16 PM OK Letty, will go out to find and sample their Cds on Thursdaynight (koopavond)...V&D is just 'round the corner...Will let you know how I feel about the songs.... |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: EtV@work Date: 14 May 03 - 12:10 PM Well there are two links to the same thread. Mine seems a bit less blue clicky, than Letty's, but they both work.So See everyone then, or before. |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: Susanne (skw) Date: 16 May 03 - 09:19 PM Have just posted addys to everyone concerned, will be starting for Scotland (via Selby) in about 8 hours' time. Hoping to see some of you there! |
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Subject: RE: MudMeet Groningen From: MudGuard Date: 17 May 03 - 02:43 AM Have a nice time, Susanne! Safe travelling! |
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