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Subject: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Rick Fielding Date: 27 Mar 03 - 12:48 PM Wow! What a country. Like so many people I've enjoyed Gary Trudeau's razor sharp daily commentary for many years, but the last couple of months have been truly amazing. Just check out yesterday's (March 26) strip. That is the kind of satire that would not only get you imprisoned in many countries, but very quickly executed. Think about it. I've been very pro American most of my life...civilians that is. Those wonderfully friendly folks in the stores, the restaurants, the B and Bs, etc. Like a lot of folks though, I'm practically petrified when certain administrations start flexing their muscles and sounding (to ME...) like the decisions have already been made, while going through the motions of discussion. So when folks claim you're "anti American" cuz you don't support Bush or "Anti Israel", cuz you don't support Sharon, or even "Anti-Canadian" cuz you disagree with Chretien's position....I just don't take it seriously. What I DO take seriously is that there's poor old Salman Rushdie, trying to hide his ass for so many years for some pretty mild Islam satire, while Gary Trudeau PERFECTLY gives voice to the anti-war cause everyday, with no holds barred. He probably gets lots of hate mail, but I'll bet he gets a huge amount of thanks as well. So.....I have a question: Is Doonesbury (whether you love or hate him) syndicated in all American papers? Do most folks on Mudcat read it? Doonesbury Yup....I've lived in five different countries, and there's a reason why so many folks wanna come to America. I LOVE Canada, but the Yank personality suits me to a T. Sometimes the administration just gets out of control, and good people take to the streets. That's why I love Doonesbury as well. cheers Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: DougR Date: 27 Mar 03 - 12:52 PM I enjoy "Doonesbury" and read it every day in our local paper. I do believe it belongs on the editorial page rather than the comic pages though. Usually I don't agree with Trudeau's politics, but he is an excellent satirist. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: NicoleC Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:07 PM I love Doonesbury, but it gets harder and harder to find in the paper. Purists don't want it on the editorial page, but it doesn't belong on the comics page either. It usually seems to end up somewhere in "Metro" or "Sports" or something, and moves with frequency... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Rick Fielding Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:07 PM Doug, I may be wrong but I think it DOES go on a lotta editorial pages. Cheers Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: katlaughing Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:18 PM I love it, too, Rick! In Wyoming it was moved to the editorial page after a bunch of grumps complained about it. Here in Colorado, it is on the comics pages. I think it is fine, either place. We only get the paper on Fri, Sat. and Sun, so I miss it the other days. Thanks to you and your link, I am now signed up to get it by email everyday! Thanks! We love you, too! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Ebbie Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:22 PM You suppose Trudeau is on various watch lists? Under Hoover, he certainly would have been. I'm with Rick. Every day when I read Doonesbury, I'm proud of my country's openness. You suppose that the powers that be simply don't read him? The day that he is shut down, I'll know for sure that we are in a despotic regime. I think it's interesting that Trudeau is married to Jane Pauley of NBC. Doesn't say anything about her politics, of course- but at the very least you know she's been exposed to his kind of thinking... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: artbrooks Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:28 PM The morning paper here (in Albuquerque) doesn't get it...I don't know about the afternoon one (which is the same company). I get it e-mailed to me daily from "mycomics" along with other missing favorites. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Mar 03 - 01:30 PM "Mutant sheep? Oh yeah, they're coming for me...".......Duke I've been a fan since Day One and have all the anthologies. Some of the best strips have actually described and defined moments in my life. And what a group they are......If you've read this thing for a long time, you begin to think of all of them as real people and friends. It's pretty weird I admit, but that's how it is. I was personally glad when the dailies went on-line, but the strip is in the Columbus Dispatch (editorial page). Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Mudlark Date: 27 Mar 03 - 03:05 PM He's still in the Comix section in my (nearby) hometown paper, but at least they are still running him, despite a rightwing editorial bias. Another fav. of mine, which is getting very hard to find, is Tom Tomorrow...another fine satirist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Raedwulf Date: 27 Mar 03 - 03:22 PM Over here, it's in the Guardian (this isn't a newspaper, just a typographical error...), but occasionally I remember to check for it online. I've just chuckled my way through March. Almost as funny as Gary Larson, & far more topical. Thanks for the reminder! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Peter T. Date: 27 Mar 03 - 04:18 PM The last few weeks have been truly brilliant. I am certainly glad he came out of "retirement". yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 27 Mar 03 - 04:38 PM I too have been with him since he first syndicated. There have been dull moments and times I didn't "get it", but the current crop is truly brilliant! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Walking Eagle Date: 27 Mar 03 - 05:07 PM Spaw, years back, the Dispatch was going to drop Doonesbury. Before they even announced it, it was leaked to some of us fringe journalists and we spread it to every news outlet in Columbus. Result; news oulets got it out and there was a rip roarin' groundswell to keep the strip. That's how we saved it and how it found it's way to the editorial page. I actually think it's gone a bit soft these last few years. True, it hounded Bush (and continues to), but the adults could do a bit more to challenge the morays of their offspring. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Mark Clark Date: 27 Mar 03 - 06:40 PM I make it a rule never to challenge a moray. They have sharp teeth, powerful jaws and they're rather aggressive. (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I too have faithfully followed Doonsebury from the beginning. There was some talk of dropping it here as well but it's too popular with readers. They put it on the back of the comics page along with Mallard Fillmore, a well-drawn conservative duck who can think of nothing more clever than to call people names. Fillmore is only a dissapointment because the artist usually expresses his viewpoint without humor, a shame because there is often potential humor in his target. Gary Trudeau does indeed do a wonderful job of chronicling the U.S. political and social landscape. I think part of the reason he isn't attacked is that he's always right. Another reason may be because he's married to Jane Pauley. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: GUEST Date: 27 Mar 03 - 06:54 PM i remember when he had that fellow with aids....i thought that was truly touching and brilliant...and courageous.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Lepus Rex Date: 27 Mar 03 - 07:35 PM It's alright. More of a "Boondocks" man, though. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: harpgirl Date: 27 Mar 03 - 07:47 PM ...they moved it to our editorial page a while back and then back to the comic page right about Mallard Fillmore....never miss it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Bill D Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:22 PM here, it's in the same section of the paper, but not 'on' the comics pages, though I wish it were, as I sometimes miss it..(Dilbert is in the business section..) Several other strips make political statements regularly, but stay with the comics. now, when are they going to move B.C. to the religion section? Johnny Hart is getting really obnoxious in his old age..(and it's nearly time for his annual Easter 'statement') |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Peg Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:33 PM I'm with Spaw; grew up on it and some zingers still pop into my head.. "A verb, Senator Kennedy, we need a verb!" I have not read it in months because I no longer read the local paper with the comics. So thanks for that link!!!! Do the anthologies still come out? peg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: rangeroger Date: 27 Mar 03 - 08:35 PM In the Spokane Spokesman-Review it is on the editorial page next to Mallard Fillmore. I too have followed Doonesbury from it's inception and dearly love it. Fillmore is a different story. I have tried to read it and keep an open mind but I have to agree with assesments already posted. I miss Bloom County and Over the Hedge, but Non-Sequitur fills a needed spot. rr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: robomatic Date: 27 Mar 03 - 09:10 PM We get Doonesbury in the daily and Sunday Anchorage Daily News. I love Doonesbury whether or not I agree with it. He has an incredible knack of getting to the 'nub' of issues. I love Canada for all the things it had that the U.S. didn't except that *&%$(*) American Kulchur seems to be taking over and these things are harder if not impossible to find: Fish and chips in newspaper and cooked by Greek immigrants socks that don't come with deoderant Real ginger beer (Almost Gone) Brown honey CBC Sunday Morning, CBC As It Happens, CBC ANYTHING! Imperial Leather Soap (NOW GONE) Canadian Ukrainians Robomatic, slightly wistful in Alaska |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Mar 03 - 09:59 PM Peg, I think they still do the anthologies but I haven't bought one in several years. I remember the days when I had the money to indulge myself(:<))........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Mar 03 - 01:19 AM Is he still drawing Bush as a bodiless ten gallon hat with a voice coming out from underneath it? I thought that was the only error Garry Trudeau ever made, drawing Dubya that way. It would be much more fun if he actually drew G.W.'s face...think of all the neat nuances of expression he could work with. By the way, he shares his surname with Canada's most memorable Prime Minister of them all...Pierre Trudeau! That in itself is a high recommendation. And come to think of it where did Berkeley Breathed ever get HIS surname? This US administration definitely needs a new presidential advisor, someone with a much clearer and incisive grasp of World politics and international law...like maybe Bill the Cat. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Mark Cohen Date: 28 Mar 03 - 01:25 AM I bet W's dad is not all that happy to have Trudeau as a fellow Yale alum. Then again, Bill Frist was in my class at Princeton. But we didn't exactly run in the same circles. I do remember that the Daily Princetonian used to run the early Doonesbury columns in 1970...when B.D.'s helmet had a "Y" instead of a star! Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Ebbie Date: 28 Mar 03 - 01:35 AM Robomatic, sounds like you might be in Anchorage? How about coming down to Juneau for our annual Folk Festival? It's from April 7-13th this year. It's memorable, a really fun time with LOTS of neat people, LOTS of music, LOTS of all nighters. Many people from Anchorage come down every year as well as from all over the state, and many other states. This year's Guest Artists are Barachois. PM me for more information! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Mar 03 - 02:06 AM You'll find Tom Tomorrow at http://www.thismodernworld.com -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Peter T. Date: 28 Mar 03 - 08:44 AM "I've had Al-Qaeda type girlfriends." A new classic phrase. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: artbrooks Date: 28 Mar 03 - 09:36 AM You can get Bloom County delivered to you from www.mycomicspage.com and Over the Hedge from www.mycomics.com...or maybe its the other way around. These are free. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Mark Clark Date: 28 Mar 03 - 02:37 PM I thought Dubya was depicted as a cowboy hat over a talking asterisk. I always enjoyed that depiction. Dan Quayle, as I recall, was depicted as a talking feather and Dubya's dad was just a plain empty cowboy hat. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Little Hawk Date: 28 Mar 03 - 05:03 PM That's true, Mark. I still think it would be more fun if Garry actually drew the face of George Bush (Jr.) with a pained look on it, desperately trying to find another manufactured fig leaf to hide his naked aggression with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: BanjoRay Date: 28 Mar 03 - 08:21 PM I read Doonesbury in the Guardian every day - it's beautifully done and very perceptive. The IF cartoon by Steve Bell sits just above it on the page, and this creases me up. Unfortunately the Guardian web site doesn't seem to have them, but it does have Steves big one box cartoons here. Just click on the thumbnails to give yourself the whole cartoon. Cheers Ray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: toadfrog Date: 29 Mar 03 - 12:33 AM I agree, he's great. Keeps it up year after year, which almost no other cartoonist can to. But what about that bit where Hunter Thompson is to be Proconsul of Iraq? Is that accurate? I haven't heard that from any other source, besides Trudeau. Sounds awfully improbable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: allanwill Date: 29 Mar 03 - 09:51 AM Just been going through the March strips. As an Aussie, there are some that go over my head (somehow that doesn't sound right? oh well), for instance the references to Oregan and their education system. Anyone for a brief explanation? Allan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Mar 03 - 10:11 PM "Oregan"? I'm not sure. But if you mean Oregon's educational system, the first thing you need to know is that Bigfoot remains tantalisingly possible, but still unproven, depending on whom you talk to. The official line is that nobody knows for sure. Other than that, there's not a lot you can say about education in Oregon. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Mark Clark Date: 29 Mar 03 - 11:12 PM Double-toungued Dubya is well known for issuing nice sounding high-minded public statements about his committment to education and then, when no one's looking, slashing the funding instead of increasing it. He was also behind the recent “No School Board Left Standing” legislation placing an even tougher—and unfunded—burden on local school districts. Of course promising one thing and doing another is the very definition of a politician, no surprise there, but in Oregon, local school districts were forced to cut weeks from the school year—and from teacher's salaries—in order to meet their fiscal obligations. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Art Thieme Date: 30 Mar 03 - 02:33 PM Rick, Thanks for showing me this site. I never knew it existed. I do hope you are doing well dealing with all you have to deal with these days. Please, know we think of you often. All the best, Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Marion Date: 01 Apr 03 - 12:20 PM Just want to reiterate Mudlark and Joe's recommendation for This Modern World by Tom Tomorrow. Beautifully cynical and sarcastic. If you go to the site, don't bother with the most recent few comics that you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to see; browse through the archive and click on titles you find interesting. "we took a lot of lessons from 9/11, but it occurs to me that there's one we might have overlooked--when you attack a nation, people tend to rally around their leader, even if they hate him." - Tom Tomorrow Marion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Peter T. Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:03 PM Thank you, thank you, Marion, I owe you. I have been looking for Tom Tomorrow's strips for awhile. They are completely brilliant. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Rick Fielding Date: 01 Apr 03 - 10:49 PM It's amazing how simply stating the obvious...without jokes or devices of any kind can really get a reaction. I can picture SOME of the reactions from others here....but mine is to just sit and quietly smile. Thanks Marion Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: GUEST,SDShad Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:56 AM Oh, yeah, Uncle Duke was always my favorite. "Hold it right there, Tweety! I came here to speak to people, not a room full of savage, winged lizards!" *snerk* S. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: robomatic Date: 02 Apr 03 - 05:14 PM Ebbie: I'd love to go to Juneau, but won't be free so soon. Got work and the theater and taxes. Spent the weekend down in Seattle, and drove up to Vancouver (you can drive up to Vancouver or down to Vancouver from Seattle!) and had a fulfilling day in that best of cities. As for my list of things I like(d) Canada for: (Fish and chips in newspaper and cooked by Greek immigrants) It wasn't in newspaper but halibut and chips in Richmond went down quite well with peach drink. (socks that don't come with deoderant) no time for sock shopping (Real ginger beer (Almost Gone))It's the same stuff you can get in the states, called Ginger Ale now but three times as expensive from that truly awful beverage that's mass produced as ginger ale and tastes more like anemic snake urine. (Brown honey) By this I meant buckwheat honey and I picked some up at Caper's on Sixth. (CBC Sunday Morning, CBC As It Happens, CBC ANYTHING!) Heard some wonderful CBC broadcasting as I drove through Canadian airwaves. Everyone sounds like Peter Jennings. BETTER than Peter Jennings! (Imperial Leather Soap (NOW GONE)) Yep, it's gone gone gone. (Canadian Ukrainians)Probably saw dozens of 'em but they blend in well. Once attended a Russian dance workshop in Philly and the prettiest dancers were Canadian Ukies out of the Vancouver area. And I had a conversation with a most lovely Kiwi girl at the UBC museum of Anthropology. I asked her to write me and gave her my email address, but that's just a dream. Robo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: GUEST,alinact Date: 02 Apr 03 - 05:39 PM OregOn, OregOn, OregOn --- Thanks, Little Hawk. Allan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: Desert Dancer Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:16 AM Just so long as you don't pronounce it that way, Allan. It's OR-i-gn. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Doonesbury just in case you've forgotten From: GUEST,alinact Date: 03 Apr 03 - 01:32 PM Bloody hell, I can't get it right. Think I'll just head on back to the good ol' ACT where I can't get into trouble. Allan |