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Subject: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 13 Feb 03 - 12:51 PM If you'll bear with me, I'll tell you how GWBush is going to get all you liberals in lock-step with him. First, there is no left-right, liberal-conservative paradigm in America. That illusion has been carefully crafted over the years to make us FEEL like we have some control over the monied interests who run the country (domestic and foreign monied interests). If you think there IS a difference, then why are Democrats consistently voting for Republican legislation at the national level nowadays? The reason is...the Republicans are setting up the huge social-control organization that the Democrats have always dreamed of. The corporate fascist government of the Republicans is finally achieving the totally-registered, cradle-to-grave existence that Democratic leaders have always desired. 'Left' or 'Right', both national parties are now working toward tyrannical, all-controlling domestic government. But a huge number of 'liberals' still need to be brought onboard the fascist ship before the politics in America can be unified, and the Bush people have a plan. And it's devious. The plan involves demonizing 'right-wing militias'. The demonization is already taking place in the media. It's subtle, but it's there on the news and in the entertainment. Characters with swastikas on their arms run around TV programs threatening to nuke cities, while Connie Chung and others in the 'real' world talk about 'connections between al Qeada and right-wing extremists'. So what is coming is an all-out campaign to demonize right-wing groups through linkage with al Qeada and / or Iraq. And when the media has achieved that linkage in your minds, and GWBush sheds a tear for the cameras and says it pains him to admit his own supporters are working with al Qeada, you liberals are going to LOVE him. You'll see a chance to get back at the people you've hated since Al Gore skulked off into obscurity, and you won't stop to consider how you've been set up. And it IS a set-up. I could go on and on about it, but that's the plan in a nutshell. You'll be told you finally have a chance to cleanse the government of all those rednecks you've been itching to boot out of office for years now, but in reality you'll just be attacking a bunch of GW's dupes...people too dumb to ever know what hit them. And you'll be encouraged to take their places as we become a unified nation which can then get on with the business of building an American Empire. And if you think the right-wing won't turn on their own, don't forget that the first thing right-winger John Ashcroft did when he became Attorney General was to close down the largest Baptist Church in America. The Indianapolis Baptist Temple. Ashcroft said it was a tax issue, but in reality he was giving a punitive demonstration to the other churches in America. His message was that he was willing to cut off his own right hand. So don't think the Bush people will hesitate for a moment to kill their own for political advantage. And don't be taken in by the phony right-wing = al Qeada nonsense coming up. Let the fascists kill their own...don't do it for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:09 PM Guest = Creep "Right wing militia" is cancer on the vital flesh of humanity... no matter who is doing the spin... ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Bobert Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:10 PM Hey, HG, that plan has allready been taken out for a test drive. Remember Trent Lott? The problem with the stategy is that Joe Six-Pack ain't as concerned with the labels as he is about having a *job*. Add in a war that will get less and less surgical and more and more like war, which the full compliment of body bags and the Bushie's are going to have to take their *new and improved* strategy in for a little warrenty work. No, the more likely scenerio is *martial* law where Bush won't have to worry about what people think about him, his cronies or his evil, anti-humanistic policies... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:17 PM And,... an even more likely scenario, is that Bush is becoming doubted, distrusted, and rejected by enough loving people to let him down easy... And so,... we can get back to the business of prosperity and peace... ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:31 PM See...liberals can't WAIT to clean house. 'cancer'...grrrrr But it's just another phony paradigm. Politicians NEED contention in order to keep employed. If there was no strife, there would be no need for govt, therefore politicians will make sure they create as much strife as possible. The link between al Qeada and right-wing groups has already been made publicly, and it will be expanded upon. Guranteed. Don't buy into it. You're being played. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Don Firth Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:55 PM Well, now, I don't know about that. Most Right Wing militia-type groups are of the Christian Fundamentalist persuasion, wanting to obliterated everybody but white Christians (their definition of Christian--and only certain "untainted" whites, at that). And al Qaida is not real shy about expressing a certain animosity toward anyone but Muslim Fundamentalists (their definition of Muslim), and have, indeed, overtly expressed themselves along that line. So I really have my doubts about any kind of alliance between these bozos. They both hate everybody, including--no, especially each other. Doesn't wash. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Don Firth Date: 13 Feb 03 - 01:58 PM Which is to say, anybody who serious believes such an alliance is possible--or who thinks he can convince other people of it--is a candidate for a straight-jacket and a padded cell. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 02:07 PM Exactly. It doesn't wash. But Bush will present evidence. And with Americans dying at the hands of Taliban/al Qeada/Iraq, no one will examine his 'proof' too closely. One of the Iraqi Republican Guards re-located to the U.S. by Bush # 1 is a man named Al Hussein Husani (sp?). Been a while since I researched this. Reporters in Oklahoma City saw the surveillance tapes (a dozen of them) in and around the Murrah bldg on the day of the blast. They showed others involved with the parking of the Ryder truck, and men wearing blue jumpsuits with McVeigh. The man in the passenger seat of the truck...John Doe # 2...was identified as Al Hussein Husani by several reporters. Then the govt seized the tapes and classified them. On Sept. 11, 2001, Husani was working at Boston's Logan airport, driving a catering truck up to departing airplanes. That's where 2 of the hijacked airplanes took off from. Husani is a CIA operative. The Ryder truck didn't bring down the Murrah bldg, but it had to be parked there as the 'cause', and 3 men helped McVeigh park it...two held a parking space and one was in the seat next to McVeigh. Reported by reporters who saw the films... Anyway, that is just the ONE link which even I know can be made. And in the midst of war with Americans dying, a weeping president talking about Iraqis working with 'right-wing militia' in OK City in '95 will make people go nuts. Doesn't matter if it stands up to logical inspection. The liberals will go nuts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 13 Feb 03 - 02:29 PM Below is a web site going to reportage by the woman who uncovered the MOST about the OK City bombings: Iraqis at the Murrah Building The search below is for a group known as 'Elohim City'. All of a sudden they're being splashed all over the news: Suddenly lots of news stories about Elohim City The article below is one about the white supremacist Elohim City group: Elohim City By bringing McVeigh and the Murrah building back into the news now, the stage is being set to link white supremacists to the work Jayna Davis did in proving Iraqi's were involved in the bombing. They WERE involved, but only as CIA operatives. And McVeigh was a victim of CIA brainwashing. This thing is already in motion. Liberals and Democrats will be enlisted to help rid the country of the group which can offer the strongest resistance to tyrannical government...the Christian church. The target will be right-wing/fundamentalist/conservative/Christians. It is happening right now...in the media. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Feb 03 - 02:48 PM Oy. What else is there to say? Well, I guess I could say one thing more. Bullshit. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: harpgirl Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:00 PM gee wiz...I thought the tyrannical government was right wing/fundamentalist conservative and Christian!!!! I think you're confused.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:14 PM Actually, I'm afraid that liberalism has been contained in the U.S., and no longer has much credibility. The majority of both Democrats and Republicans are political opportunists, with no political objective other than getting bucks and getting votes. Clinton, Gore, and California Governor Gray Davis are good examples. The right-wing ideologues seem to have a strong influence upon the opportunists among the Republicans, and they in turn sway enough of the opportunistic Democrats to create an unshakable majority. Maybe the Republicans aren't opportunists. They seem to have two kinds of politicians in that party - rightwingers and puppets. Bush is one of the latter, I think. So was Reagan. Whatever the case, the Democratic opportunists and the Republican puppets sure have made a mess out of this country, and a bigger mess out of our position in the Middle East. And most people just plain don't care. I wouldn't say the right-wingers control the country, but they have far more say-so than they should have. But no, I don't buy our Hated Guest's conspiracy theory. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Ebbie Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:15 PM I love your eloquence, Joe O! :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Don Firth Date: 13 Feb 03 - 03:27 PM I think Joe's right on the money. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Bobert Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:04 PM I'm gonna have go w9ith this one myself, HG, You know I lve a conspiracy as much as the next guy but this one needs repairs if yer going to try to get it to fly. I'm stcikin with the premise that if Bush can't curb unemployment before the next election, should there be one, then he'll be ripe for following in his daddy's footsteps. Unemployed people don't vote for incumbents. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:06 PM Hey, does anybody remember the time when there were liberals in the Republican Party? Some of them were quite impressive. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Frankham Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:28 PM I think that the "liberalism" has taken a swing to the "right". It's almost unidentifiable anymore. Hawks like Christopher Hitchens and others who are pro-war call themselves liberals. Liberals, these days, may be anyone who's to the left of Atilla the Hun. As for politicians, they've always been the same breed. Can't imagine why anyone would be disillusioned about politics. What's new? I think that the making-liberals-love-bush dog won't hunt. He can attempt to distance himself from extremism but it's a "pot calling the kettle black" situation. Ashcroft can shut down a Baptist temple but he stands as a fearmongering authority figure who wants to suppress the rights of innocent Middle Eastern people. Bush has given Ashcroft "his head" (as they say in the horseback riding trade). The only possible respect liberals would have for Bush would be if he'd "stand down". Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:30 PM My state of TX used to be almost all Democrat Conservative. Then the Bushes moved south from Connecticut and Maine...made a mess of things. But...not to berate...The 'far right' is about to consolidate absolute social control in America. That has always been the goal of the 'far left' Communists. They are merging. But the biggest obstacle...the largest group that could physically engage a Soviet/Nazi army...is 'the Christians'. There are millions and they are well-organized. So they'll have to be negated as a threat. And the way I've laid out is the way it will most likely be done. The process has already begun. Bush and Ashcroft will eat their young. The links talk about: *McVeigh was a 'right wing extremist' when he blew up OK City *Iraqis were on the ground in OK City *New evidence has come forward about a right-wing people connected to McVeigh Once the war fever is on, and liberals are reminded of the 'stolen' election and told it's open season on 'right-wing terrorists', retribution will be at hand. Disbelieve me if you want, but if and when this is thrown in your face and you are told to kill the church members next door because they blew up OK City, think back on this. It's a set up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:37 PM The cameras are rolling, the scene is set up, and there's noone on the stage but you... our hated guest! Like a big juicy pot roast at a vegetarian supper, he just sits there never changing, always the same message... Uh, could you please pass the tofu pate' Frank? ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 11:07 PM (This guy was John Doe # 2 at the Murrah Bldg in Oklahoma City. Member of the Iraqi Republican Guard...brought here by Bush # 1 after the Gulf War. CIA employee. FOX News): ...For example, Ms. Davis has identified a man whose photo matches that of a "John Doe #2" sought immediately after the Murrah Building attack. He appears to be a Palestinian by the name of Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini, who sported a tatoo suggesting he had served in Saddam's elite Republican Guard. According to Davis' evidence, witnesses put Al Hussaini in the company of confessed bomber Timothy McVeigh a few days before the attack and near the site immediately beforehand.... http://www.phillytalkradioonline.com/davis/story102402-foxnews1.html Hussain Al-Hussaini - Suspected to by John Doe #2. Identified in a photo lineup by witnesses as being present with Timothy McVeigh both before the bombing and on the morning of the bombing as well as getting out of the Ryder truck after it pulled up at the Murrah Federal building. Last known whereabouts was as an employee at Boston's Logan Airport, the same airport the hijackers departed from.... http://www.jaynadavis.com/ (This is OLD news the public was never made aware of. But when the time is right, you'll be told. They busted Al-Hussaini's buddy at Heathrow. One of the men who held the parking place in front of the federal building. After the bombing, he got spooked and bought a one-way ticket to Beirut. But his flight got diverted and he laid-over at Heathrow. His bag went on to Rome, though, and police there found bomb-making equipment and a blue jumpsuit like is on the videos the feds suppressed. He was returned to the custody of the FBI and released. These CIA operatives did their job for our govt but are now going to be linked to Hussein and by extension, Tim McVeigh and the 'right-wing'). |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Date: 13 Feb 03 - 11:52 PM HG, I'm really confused by this latest rant. "Soviet/Nazi army?" This is a bigger leap than any even you've made before. Exactly how did we get from "Bush is trying to take over the country" to "The Communists and Nazis are goinf to invade?" Further, where did you come up with the idea that American Christians were a unified, well-organized force? There are hundreds of denominations, many of which do not even coordinate between their own branches, let alone each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 14 Feb 03 - 12:21 AM Soviet-Nazi... Both totalitarian. I'm just starting to get into the new Senate bills (and they are long, long pieces of treason), but they are what Americans 10 years ago would have thought came from some old Stalinesque or Hitlerian legislation. Not modern legislation being considered for passage in America. Our army will be viewed around the world as the New Nazis, although the compartmentalization reminds me more of the soviets. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Christians.... Doesn't MATTER that Christians are so fragmented. Percepetion is everything, and when they are presented as a group threat, they'll be dealt with as such. I don't think it mattered at Auschwitz if a person was Orthodox or not. Or even Jewish. What's of concern to the U.S. govt is that Christians are a group CAPABLE of organizing...of mounting a resistance. Look...the media is starting to make the links between Arab terrorists and 'domestic, right-wing' terrorists. Somehow, 50% of Americans now think we're going to war with Saddam Hussein because he bombed the WTC. Americans can be convinced of anything (the land of Madison Avenue advertising), and Americans will be convinced Christians are terrorists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 14 Feb 03 - 11:41 AM (I have found this site to have the most consistently reasonable presentation of 'liberal' political ideology. If you've never looked at it, poke around through some of the archives.): http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/terr-f14.shtml The US media makes no attempt to critically examine the government's claims. On the contrary, it accepts every claim made by the government as fact, while working to hype the warnings and promote popular panic and anxiety. NBC Nightly News, for example, on Thursday included a segment on the operations—alleged without any substantiation—of Al Qaeda cells supposedly active within the US.... (A step in the process of linking Middle Eastern terrorists to Americans. They couldn't be operating here WITHOUT American assistance, could they? We'll be told WHICH AMERICANS to hate when the time comes.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: kendall Date: 14 Feb 03 - 01:05 PM Love Bush? Thanks for the laugh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: BlueJay Date: 15 Feb 03 - 02:29 AM Hg, I agree, the press hasn't been all that helpful. But your theory doesn't fly. Remember, this little prick Bush was appointed, not elected. The American people aren't really as stupid as you think they are. Your theory sounds like typical extreme militant group propaganda to me. How's it going up there in the caves? BlueJay |
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Subject: RE: BS: How Bush will make liberals LOVE him From: GUEST,Forum Lurker Date: 15 Feb 03 - 09:47 AM HG, the government KNOWS that Christian groups are no more unified than any other random collection of Amreicans, and would present no more organized defense. Your religion is leaking into your politics again, and they're murky enough without it. |