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Subject: BS: What's a vet? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:26 PM A trivial enough question, but it's been niggling me. In England the word vet normally means someone who is a doctor for animals. A highly regarded bunch of people, especially on TV. In America on th other hand it normally means someone who used to serve in the Army, Navy or Airforce, what we would call an ex-serviceman or ex-servicewoman. So what do you call the people who treat animals? And how does it work in Australia amd other places? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Mudlark Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:34 PM Having had dogs nearly all my (American) life, animal doc is the first thing that springs to mind when I hear/see "vet." I think at least on the west coast the word is used interchangeably for both meanings....there is no other word for animal doctor used here, as far as I know. Seems to me the non-veterinary vet is used slightly differently, i.e.....(s)he is a Viet Nam vet/(s)he is a veteran of the Viet Nam war. In the first case, veteran might be used, in the second case vet would rarely be used. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: CarolC Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:35 PM They're both called vets here, McGrath, although we might capitalize the V for Veterans. I'm not sure about that part. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:37 PM Americans would say "veterinarian" where we would say "veterinary surgeon" Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: katlaughing Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:10 PM In the Rocky Mountain area, we call our pet docs, vets. Usually, when referring to someone who has served in the armed forces, we will preface "vet" with the era in which they served, as Mudlark said, only we'd would use the abbreviated "vet" i.e. Vietnam vet. But, then, we call our human doctors, Dr. So and So, and I've seen/heard them referred to as "Mister So and So" in the UK. Are they ever called "Doctor?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Jim Dixon Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:26 PM In America, we even call dentists "Dr", but I am told this is never done in the UK. Dentists are always "Mr"--unless they happen to be "Mrs" or "Miss". |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: katlaughing Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:29 PM Ah, I meant to also answer: What is a vet? Dr. JenEllen is!*bg* |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Stewie Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:34 PM In Oz, it is similar to Mudlark's posting - 'vets' are animal doctors and the popular usage of the term 'vets' in respect of soldiers appears to be resticted to 'Vietnam vets'. In my experience, the word 'Vietnam' invariably accompanies it. The veterans of other wars are termed 'returned soldiers'. That said, the government department relating to all returned soldiers is the Department of Veterans' Affairs and there is a Veterans Review Board. Bob Bolton probably will come along now and shoot me down in flames, but that is my experience here in the remote north. --Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Sorcha Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:37 PM And, in my small town, I get to call my Human Docs "Dr. Bonnie, Dr. Rich, etc." If I meet them in a store, off duty, I get to call them Bonnie, Rich, etc. Pretty laid back here. But yes, Vet is either Veterinarian (animal Dr.) or Vietnam/Korea/WWII/WWI Vet. Etc. Means both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: GUEST,Q Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:45 PM As a veteran of WW2, I always referred to myself as a vet. Never heard the term restricted to any one war. I can see where vet-veteran and vet-veterinarian might be slightly confusing, but not as bad as Doctor. Doctor of Philosophy (in sciences, arts, etc.). Doctor of Medicine (in Ireland there is another degree for family physicians- my Doctor has that degree but I can't remember it (accepted by the College of Physicians and Surgeons). Doctor of Veterinary Medicine Doctor of Divinity "Doc"- My mechanic, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: GUEST,Q Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:47 PM Forgot the honorary Doctors of letters, etc. and the Doctors of Jurisprudence (Law) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:57 PM heloo, a vet id somebody who mends animuls, for example if youre hamster gets ill you take him to the vet, or if you are poor you can go to the psda, but if your not poor, you haf to borrow your frends dole card.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:59 PM Surgeons here are called Mister. (I imagine women surgeons would be Ms Miss or Mrs. Not Doctor anyway.) Dentists are never called Doctor. What complicates it is that you get people with all kinds of doctorates who are likely to be called Doctor in academic circles - I think they tend to be careful about using the title generally, because you wouldn't want to have people knock on your door for help in a medical emergency in a hotal if you were a Doctor of Theology. The politician Dr Kim Howells who is currently trying to wreck live music in England and Wales (see the PEL threads) is this kind of Doctor - I'm not sure what sort of doctor, except it's not medicine. And at the same time most medical "Doctors" don't actually have doctorates, so they technically aren't entitled to use the term. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 07 Feb 03 - 08:09 PM anyway, if your hamster gets ill you can get some good adcice of the hamster website, i dont know waht it is called, but i yhink it is hamster.org and my remote control is busted and i have to press the green button, i think the batterys heafe gone, there is the british hamster club as well, and the great britain hamster society as well, you could ask them things as well., you can jiin the noth england hamster club if you like, only 10 quid a yeear.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Feb 03 - 08:11 PM G'day Stewie, As it happens, I've been head down in family photographs (just come into my hands from Dad's estate) ... trying to sort out a question related to military service / non-miltary war work / badges / medals. I won't disagree with what you say about Aussie use of 'returned soldiers/service(wo)men' except to say the American-style use of "vet" seems to be creeping back to earlier conflicts - with some younger Aussies, more brainwashed by TV. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: GUEST,Q Date: 07 Feb 03 - 08:31 PM Vet- to subject to expert opinion or appraisal, to evaluate, to check out. Kipling is credited with first having put this usage into print, thus it is British, but it now is in general usage in North America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: leprechaun Date: 07 Feb 03 - 09:39 PM John from Hull Thanks for the tip about the friend's dole card. Have you ever hear of a sugar glider? They're Australian or New Zealandian marsupials, much like hamsters, in that they are cute little furry creatures, but more lithe, with an expanse of skin between their little arms and legs, such that they can glide like a flying squirrel. (Ooh, long sentence) They carry their young in a pouch, like a possum or kangaroo. It took some research by our veterinarian to figure out that the male of the species have what amounts to two penises right next to each other. So that wasn't just a strange growth on the little bugger, it was actually part of his natural anatomy. It had us worried for little while |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: mack/misophist Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:13 PM Veterans of the American War Between the States were called 'vets'. It's a term we've been using for some time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Amos Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:31 PM Vet, n: Veteran, veterinarian, It's a one-syllable colloquialism. It is also a verb meaning to inspect, pass on, verify or approve. Or, examine or treat (an animal). A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: katlaughing Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:43 PM leprechuan, I'd never heard of them and had ot go find some pictures. Goodness they are so tiny and cute. I find their flying membrane fascinating. Lots more info out there than I thought there'd be! According to this site their penis is actually bifurcated, i.e. splits into a fork at the tip. Probably more than we needed to know, they also use the same hole to do everything in their bodies, pee, poop, have sex and babies. Hmmm...wonder how ancient that biology is!? Anyway, they are cute little critters and there are some good pix and links at this site, too. Thanks for telling us about them. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: artbrooks Date: 08 Feb 03 - 12:20 AM Veterans are called "vets", regardless of the war...they are called vets if they never served in a war. VA Medical Centers are called "vets", as in "I have an appointment at the Vets tomorrow afternoon." I've never heard a vet referred to as a "returned soldier," and I worked for the VA for 27 years. Navy vets (sailors), Marine Corps veterans (marines) and Air Force veterans (airmen) would probably object to being called soldiers. And yes, animal doctors are also vets. Is there some kind of rule that says a word is allowed only one meaning? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: leprechaun Date: 08 Feb 03 - 02:04 AM And did I mention they are surprisingly friendly for such a tiny animal. Just for the fun of it they will climb up to a high place and then fly down on your chest. Then they'll climb back up and do it again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: mouldy Date: 08 Feb 03 - 02:36 AM And the reason dentists are called Mr/Mrs/Miss is that they are classed as surgeons (see their name plates on the practice walls). Andrea |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: jimlad Date: 08 Feb 03 - 06:57 AM Nearing the end of my football playing career I was approached to play for Farnworth Vets.Now Farnworth pop c 20,000 is a small Lancashire town.I wondered how come they have at least 11 Veterinarians capable of playing football ?. I was 'sick as a Parrot' when I found out it was Farnworth GS Veterans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 08 Feb 03 - 07:05 AM Hubby is a vet (animal doctor) not an RD (real doctor with accompanying money). He has a Vette ('57 Corvette). Veterinarians have been known to buy T-shirts for their grandchildren saying "The Vet's Pet." We also have "VET Testing" around here (Vehicle Emissions Testing) so if Hubby takes his car to be tested -- the vet takes his Vette to the VET. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Nigel Parsons Date: 08 Feb 03 - 07:14 AM The term 'Vets' is also in use in S.Wales (as used by jimlad, above) for teams of rugby players made up of players too advanced in age to still play in the 'Firsts' Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Bob Bolton Date: 08 Feb 03 - 07:20 AM G'day leprechaun and Kat, Sugar Gliders are a small Australian(o)possum ... and, by no means, the smallest. Bifurcated penises are quite common in marsupials - right up to Kangaroos (described, in Captain James Cook's 1770 journal - by Joseph Banks - as a "new, large animal of the opossum class" - the Americam opossum being the only marsupial any European had seen). An amusing bit of misinformation running about some areas, in time past (I hope!) was that the penis was bifurcated beacause it was applied to the mate's nostrils ... ? ... ! ... ? Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: katlaughing Date: 08 Feb 03 - 09:30 AM Oh, my! Thanks for that, Bob! LOL! leprechuan, they do sound interesting and cute, but I am afraid, in my household, they just be a small bite-sized snack for a cat or two.:-) And, I don't usually have shirts with pockets, so they couldn't ride around in safety that way. Cute little things, though. MaryinKY...haha..that was good! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Amos Date: 08 Feb 03 - 10:07 AM I knew that about 'roos but not about gliding squirrel guys, What a design. If the bifurcation is not functional, maybe it just makes it more fun? Someone once quipped that God must be a civil engineer -- no-one else would route a waste disposal system right through the middle of a major recreational area.... Kat, you could tuck 'em into your cups, love. It'd make 'em so happy!! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: katlaughing Date: 08 Feb 03 - 11:21 AM You forget yourself, sir! Unless you meant my coffee cup. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: leprechaun Date: 08 Feb 03 - 11:28 AM My wife knitted little fuzzy pouches to hang around your neck, and they would ride around in that. It also hangs from the top of the cage and they sleep in it all day. They used to cuddle on the back of my neck when I had real long hair. My kids would wear a hooded sweatshirt backwards, and they rode around in the hood. Zorro landed on our cat once but the dog intervened. He hates violence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: katlaughing Date: 08 Feb 03 - 11:39 AM LOL, leprechaun!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Rapparee Date: 08 Feb 03 - 02:05 PM You know, the US military has a veterinary specialty -- the veterinarians are actually officers (Captain) if they have the DVM degree. I used to know one who what been a career officer -- a vet vet, so to speak. Now, if he had checked over my dog, would it have been a vet vet vet? If he were caught in the rain, he'd be a wet vet vet. I don't want to continue with this line of thought, it's making me dizzy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 08 Feb 03 - 05:29 PM It is one of these great British anomalies that medical practitioners who have graduated with two Bachelor degrees (of Medicine and of Surgery, hence MB, ChB) are styled Doctors, whereas when they actually progress to acquiring a Doctorate and become surgeons (MD) and hence are actually Doctors, they immediately discard the "Doctor" and revert to being plain "Mr". Andrea, I don't think your post about dentists is strictly correct. A dentist graduates as a Bachelor of Dental Surgery, just as a general practitioner graduates as a Bachelor of Surgery. Or "is graduated" as they would say in the States ... Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: JohnInKansas Date: 08 Feb 03 - 07:37 PM In the US, the practice of medicine - on animals or humans - is generally regulated by the individual states, so practices vary quite a bit. In most states, it is unusual for anyone to practice as a "medical doctor" without having the academic "doctorate" and an additional internship under the supervision of previously licensed practitioners. In most states, it is unusual to find a practitioner of veterinary medicine who is not "degreed" as a "Doctor of Veterinary" in one form or another. The distinguishing "license" limitations are usually that only those we call "Doctors of Medicine," and who are credntialed as such, are permitted to perform surgery or to prescribe pharmaceuticals. Most states have a maze of other license classes of practitioners, the topmost "tier" of which is commonly something like "Registered Nurse Practicioner." These persons may (usually) see patients and recommend treatments, and may acutally dispense some pharmaceuticals, may take test specimens, etc., but generally may not perform surgery or prescribe certain pharmaceuticals except "under the direct supervision of a licensed Medical Doctor." It is probably our "drug laws" that mandate that an independent practitioner of "veterinary medicine" must be credentialled as a "Doctor of Veterinary Medicine," since without that credential the obtaining, prescribing, and dispensing of neeed pharmaceuticals would be severely limited. The "DVM" or "MD" title is a license title, as opposed to an academic degree - often just shortened to Doctor" or "Doc" in informal communications. The verb form, "to vet," meaning to submit to formal review or verification, is known, but not commonly used except by a few, generally of pompous or pretentious inclination. There are localized trades or organizations where one p.a. has "popularized" the term sufficiently to make it locally common. In common use, the word "vet" is just a shortened and informal form for either "veteran" or "veterinary." But the most common use of "vet" should always be writte as " 'Vet! ," and refers to that faux sports car built by General Motors. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Little Robyn Date: 08 Feb 03 - 08:28 PM I don't think you'll find any Sugar Gliders in NZ - unless a zoo has some. We do have too many possums but the only flying animal is a little native bat and I think that's a different beasty. I'd have to ask a vet, to make sure! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: mouldy Date: 09 Feb 03 - 02:49 AM Murray, I always believed (maybe wrongly) it was just one of those anachronistic things that if you are a surgeon per se, you are titled Mr/Mrs/Miss. (A dentist's job title is "dental surgeon"). I wondered if the tradition goes back to the days when the doctor was often mainly a physician, and the barber (a layman) did most of the surgery, and possibly also pulled teeth? (Just speculating). Andrea ...and vets have to be all three: physician, surgeon and dentist! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Bullfrog Jones Date: 09 Feb 03 - 06:51 AM I applied for a job once and they told me I'd have to be vetted. I said 'They did that to our cat, and there's no way you're doing it to me!' I'll get me coat. BJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Bob Bolton Date: 09 Feb 03 - 07:01 AM G'day Little Robyn, Possums skipped New Zealand - they got to Australia while South America was joined via Antarctica - millions of years back. The Brushtail Possums that will destroy all you native forest eventually were introduced by some avaricious idiots hoping to make money from the fur trade. Australia has some 24 species in the broad category of "possum" from 9 gram Honey-possums to 4½ kilogram Brushtail Possums. The Sugar Glider is down the small end, but the smallest are found clinging to single blades of grass, in Western Australia! The Gliders are part of the Phalageridiae family - and have developed menbranes between front and back legs that become gliding surfaces when the legs are extended. They are not true flyers, like the bats ... and birds (barring Emus ... and lots of lazy NZ models! ;-) Kat: The remarks about the marsupial's intriguing double-barrelled breeding aparatus - calling it primitive, &c, overlooks the fact that it is by far the most efficient breeding mehod, here in hot dry Australia ... in drought, whole eutherian groups just die out, as their expensive commitment to babies dies ... while Mrs Roo just hangs onto the reserve pregnancy waiting for better weather! Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: leprechaun Date: 09 Feb 03 - 01:12 PM So do the males think twice as much? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Murray MacLeod Date: 09 Feb 03 - 06:54 PM I am indebted to www.educationupdate.com for the following article. Surgeon Titles: Dr. vs. Mr. By Mr. Rodney Croft Special to Education Update While surgeons carry the appellation "Dr." in the USA and other parts of the world, in the UK they are referred to as "Mr." How has this anomaly arisen? Academically, in order to be called "Dr." one must hold a doctoral degree (the highest academic degree in any field of knowledge), such as Doctor of Medicine, M.D., or Doctor of any other discipline. In the USA, an M.D. is a licensing qualification to practice medicine, whereas in Britain, an M.D. is a postgraduate thesis degree. In order to practice medicine in Britain, students must attain a Bachelor of Medicine and a Bachelor of Surgery degree (MB and BS). Therefore they are not, in the strictest sense, "doctors." However, once graduated in Britain, all graduates are referred to as Doctor, as are consultant and trainee physicians and other specialists––all except surgeons. The word "doctor" is derived from the Latin doctor-oris, meaning teacher or instructor, and in Middle English (c. 1150-1500) it became used for any learned man or medical practitioner. The title "Mr." is a 16th century English variant of Master, derived from the Latin Magister, which means master or teacher. Following the fall of the Roman Empire, most surgery in Europe was performed in monasteries by monks and their assistants, the barbers. As well as cutting hair and shaving, barbers helped with blood-letting. The Medieval Universities were founded to teach subjects, including medicine, which had no place in the ecclesiastical curriculum. Salerno was one of the first medical schools and was established by the middle of the 11th century. Courses were initially available to physicians and surgeons, but not to apothecaries. In 1123 CE, Pope Calistas II decreed that monks must not shed blood, and it was this ruling that resulted in the teaching of surgeons being forbidden in church-dominated universities. Surgeons, therefore, served an apprenticeship, whilst physicians spent four years at university, leading to a Bachelor of Medicine degree and a possible further thesis leading to a Doctorate. The Pope's ruling also resulted in a great boost to the barbers, who now performed dental extractions and fracture treatments as well as blood-letting. Because of their increased role, they became known as the barber-surgeons, and monks then administered only to the spiritual needs of patients. At this time, true surgeons also developed. They were more skilled than the barber-surgeons, but were apprenticed and not university trained, and therefore could not style themselves as "doctors." In 1493 English surgeons decided to enter a working agreement with the barber-surgeons, and this association was given Royal assent in 1540 when Henry VIII, by Act of Parliament, united the two groups under the name of "Masters, Governors of the Mystery and Commonalty of Barbers and Surgery of London." From this time, by Royal edict the barbers could only perform barbery and extraction of teeth, and the surgeons had to refrain from cutting hair and shaving people! King Henry VIII gave each member of this newly formed group the right to be addressed as "Master," and in time "Master" was pronounced "Mr." So when a British Surgeon is addressed as "Mr." he is actually being honoured, as in reality he is being called "Master." Female surgeons are called Miss, Ms. or Mrs. The association of surgeons and barber-surgeons lasted until 1745, when the surgeons petitioned the English parliament for a separation that lasts to this day. The barber-surgeons are now represented by the Benevolent Barbers' City Livery Company. Mr. Croft is Consultant Surgeon at North Middlesex University Hospital in London. Education Update, Inc., P.O. Box 20005, New York, NY 10001. Tel: (212) 481-5519. Fax: (212) 481-3919. Email: ednews1@aol.com. All material is copyrighted and may not be printed without express consent of the publisher. © 2001. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: fox4zero Date: 10 Feb 03 - 12:08 AM Amos In the military, the only function of the vet (veterinarian) is actually to inspect or "vet" the food bought by the military. I recall that the Air Force bought coffee in very large cans...about 8 pounds. The vet would take a beer can opener and open one corner of the can. After examining a small sample of the round coffee he would send the balance over to our office (Flight Surgeons) for more leisurely consumption. I think that was the only source of coffee for the office. Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: JohnInKansas Date: 10 Feb 03 - 01:42 AM Larry - Having had some long discussions with our post "Vet" while stationed in the wilds of Yuma during my service time - over whether he was better qualified to do surgery on me (my opinion) than our post surgeon (virtually noone's choice), I was given a pretty thorough outline of his "military" duties. Officially, in the US Army, the "vet" is responsible for virtually all "general sanitation." This includes regular inspections of the mess halls, officer and enlisted "clubs" if any, barber and beauty shops, post exchanges, commissaries, etc - down to dealing with any unswept/unsanitary conditions in barracks and other living quarters and the regular inspection of water resources. The "veterinary officer" was also responsible for all "drug inventories" at the Yuma Infirmary, although I don't know if that's a standard "vet" duty or was just the "local command assignment" of our vet. At the Yuma installation, a "significant" part of his official duty was disposing of wandering coyotes, donkeys, rattlesnakes, skunks, tarantulas and scorpions. (Any application of insecticide - even in your "own" living quarters - technically required his advance approval.) In any unit that has "official" livestock, he would be required to provide "veterinary care" as needed, and at most installations would be permitted - on a time available basis - to care for the pets and other livestock "living on post." A surprising number of units have "parade team" animals or other "mascots" who are considered "members of the service" and are generally the responsibility of the "vet(erinary)" officer. Altogether, a rather wide range of duties. Re Murray's information - some 40 or so years ago, my dad, who was a barber off-and-on for some years, would occasionally get calls from the hospital to "come in and shave" some guy (or very rarely - gal) because someone had discovered (again) that local "health board" regs prohibited a "medical practitioner" from shaving anyone. Perhaps it was a holdover from quite long ago, - but I'm sure any such restrictions have been cleaned up by now.(?).(?). John |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Cluin Date: 10 Feb 03 - 02:02 AM Vette = abbreviation for Corvette (Stingray), a fibreglass body sportscar made by American car manufacturer Chevrolet. Popular with teenagers (usually used, with bodywork and rebuilt engine) and men going through a mid-life crisis (new). If owned by a female, she will be a rich "`teaser" or dubbed so by jealous males. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: JohnInKansas Date: 10 Feb 03 - 02:37 AM Cluin - Your abbreviation is, of course, the "correct" one used in the "reputable" hot rod magazines. In colloquial - or "street" - usage in my area, most people who are likely to use the term seem limited to words of four or fewer letters, so they'll often write it as just "vet." (On the odd occasion when they struggle with writing.) At least in my area, you can't reasonably call it a "teenager's" car, although it may be popular in teenagers' fantasies. The vehicle is popular enough - and expensive enough in any condition - to be out of the reach of most teenagers who'd drive or work on a "beater" of any kind. The majority of the Corvettes seen here are pretty well maintained and/or restored (presumedly by second-childhood executives). Those of my acquaintance who've actually owned always pronounce it "Corvette" in full, slowly, with poignant and reverent pause on each end of the word. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Cluin Date: 10 Feb 03 - 03:07 AM I had a few teenage friends who'd blown their savings on an old beat-up (usually minus an engine/tranny) Vette that they wre going to "get on the road". None of themn ever did. They either sold the heap to some other sucker kid or their parents made them eventually have the thing hauled away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: mouldy Date: 10 Feb 03 - 03:21 AM Thanks Murray! My brain was wavering in the general direction, I suppose! By the way, are GPs titled "Doctor" because they used to refer to themselves as both "Physician and Surgeon"? (Maybe they still do). Andrea |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 10 Feb 03 - 08:52 AM Here many dentists refer to themselves as Doctor (dunno if any of them have doctorates!) My dentist teaches at the Uni's teaching hospital so he just might have one. Several years back the old boy's network in some medical speciality got pissed off at a female member who didn't conform, so they insulted her & tried to put her in her place by persisting in calling her Doctor, even tho she was was entitled to be called Mrs/Ms. Petty minded little boys. I also have a friend who ran the Drug & Alcohol program for an Area Health Service for a number of years without a having doctorate. He was JUST a very experienced psychiatrist, but all other D&A programs were run by doctors with Doctorates & he was eventually replaced by someone with the right qualification but less experience. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: Big Tim Date: 10 Feb 03 - 09:42 AM In Britain, "vet", short for "veteran" is also any male athlete (as in "athletics" - "track and field" in US)aged 40+, female aged 35+. The corresponding term in the US is "masters". Age groups after that are grouped every five years: in Britain - V45, etc, in US M45 etc. (Don't ask why the women get to be vets at 35 and men not until they are 40 - nobody knows the answer, it's just the way things are!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: JohnInKansas Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:21 AM License restrictions in most states within the US require that anyone licensed as a "Psychiatrist" must be certified to "practice medicine" - i.e. must also be a licensed M.D. (medical doctor). A psychiatrist generally can prescribe and dispense all those wonderful drugs. The greater number of "counselors" operate as "Psychologists," which means that they must be associated with a "supervising Psychiatrist or Medical Doctor" in order to use most pharmaceuticals in their practice. A few Psychologists in my area have "Doctoral degrees," but not medical certification. They are not often called "Doctor" based on the degree alone, and can't generally advertise themselves as "Doctor," or as "practicing medicine," since that term generally is used to mean a "licensed medical doctor" (MD). (They typically have a "PhD" degree rather than an "MD" degree.) While it would be perfectly appropriate to call them "Doctor ..." when addressing them, it is generally deemed a little "pompous" for anyone but a medical doctor to insist on being addressed in that manner on a day-to-day basis. Anyone with a "doctoral degree" will commonly be called "Doctor Whatsis" in formal communications between peers, as when presenting technical papers at symposia, or when writing for technical journals, since the "credential" is of significance(?) when they are being represented as a person with special skills and/or knowledge. The only "social context" I can think of in which the appelation commonly is used based on degree (as opposed to license) would be at a "Happy Hour at the Faculty Club," - again, where it's a peer-to-peer sort of thing. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: JudeL Date: 10 Feb 03 - 11:12 AM BTW Amos that quote about the waste disposal and the playground is from Heinlein the SF writer |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's a vet? From: fox4zero Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:58 AM John I quite agree with you on the duties of the military veterinarian, with local differences as to things like pharmacy responsibility. Andrea State licenses for physicians, usually state: Physician & Surgeon. It is the same if you are a GP, psychiatrist, dermatolgist etc etc. Larry |