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Subject: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: Amos Date: 11 Oct 02 - 06:03 PM As we have seen recently, and also learned from the unpleasantness of 1939-46, saying something with enough certainty can all by itself engender agreement. Certainty is infectious -- ask any good salesman. Certainty in the presence of clearly contradictory facts, however, is a little more grounds for concern about the analytical ability being brought to bear. I believe there are many asserted certainties in the current White House which have very UNcertain basis in fact. For example, the following from the Washington post: THE WHITE HOUSE REGULAR BRIEFING BRIEFER: ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN LOCATION: WHITE HOUSE BRIEFING ROOM, WASHINGTON, D.C. TIME:12:53 P.M. EDT DATE: THURSDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2002 Q The FISA court chastised the FBI for misrepresenting a lot of what they are doing with, wiretaps, et cetera. There were 75 occurrences. Now there is a memo that has -- has been -- has in Congress. And the question is, the president meets with the FBI pretty much every day. Has he decided to take an active interest in this, or is he going to take an active interest in some of the overreaches of the FBI? MR. FLEISCHER: The president has made it clear -- and he believes the FBI is doing this -- about the importance of doing two things and doing them well. One is protecting the American people from the risks that we face from terrorists who would use our open system to come here and bring harm to people; and secondly, to do it within the Constitution because it's the Constitution, after all, that fundamentally gives us our greatest protections. And that is the challenge that law enforcement faces at all times. And the president is confident the FBI is doing it well. http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/ec.pdf http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2121-2002Oct9.html http://www.newseum.org/media/dfp/pdf/NV_LVRJ.pdf FBI Memo Details Pre-9/11 Sloppiness By Ted Bridis Associated Press Writer Wednesday, October 9, 2002; 4:50 PM WASHINGTON -- FBI agents illegally videotaped suspects, intercepted e-mails without court permission and recorded the wrong phone conversations during sensitive terrorism and espionage investigations, according to an internal memorandum detailing serious lapses inside the FBI more than a year before the Sept. 11 attacks. The blunders - roughly 15 over the first three months of 2000 - were never made public but garnered the attention of the "highest levels of management" inside FBI, said the memo written by senior bureau lawyers and obtained by The Associated Press. Lawmakers reviewing FBI missteps preceding the terror attacks expressed surprise Wednesday at the extent of errors detailed in the memo, which focused on sensitive cases requiring warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The mistakes extend beyond those criticized in a rare public decision this summer by the secretive U.S. court that oversees the surveillance warrants. That court admonished the FBI for providing inaccurate information in warrant applications. The April 2000 memo - marked "immediate" and classified as "secret" - describes different problems from those cited by the court. It describes agents conducting unauthorized searches, writing warrants with wrong addresses and allowing "overruns" of electronic surveillance operations beyond their legal deadline. "The level of incompetence here is egregious," said Rep. William D. Delahunt, D-Mass., a member of the House Judiciary Committee who obtained the memo from the FBI and provided it to AP. [...] |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Oct 02 - 06:24 PM You know - and perhaps this is early thread drift - reading that question and answer, it occurs to me that maybe people are being unkind to Bush when they keep going on about what an inarticulate and clumsy speaker he is. Perhaps everyone in Washington press and governmental circles talks gobbledegook. Which could go some way to explain the level of competance at which the FBI appears to be operating, according to that story. Perhaps it's something in the water. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: Amos Date: 11 Oct 02 - 08:39 PM LOL, Kevin! It's a pretty old town, actually -- lead pipes? That would explain a lot!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: GUEST Date: 11 Oct 02 - 09:38 PM Well, its just that dumbing down syndrom that folks in Washington are gonna have to get used to . Did ya' hear that the Congress is gonna bring back the cuspidors for the isles in the Hose or Reps. Yeah, nothin' better than a good wrestlin' and a chew... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: NicoleC Date: 11 Oct 02 - 11:28 PM Mmmmm... as dangerous as it is that the FBI stepped over the line deliberately, there is some hope here. After all, the big brass in the FBI are discussing it in negative terms, and Congress has found out and is investigating. This is the way it's supposed to work -- intelligence agents are prone to be a little too gung-ho, and they need to be reeled in. For effectiveness, it beats having lazy ones. The FBI has improved in policing itself, but the extra (unconstitutional, IMHO) powers granted the various intelligence agencies in the past year are far more dangerous. There's doing wrong, doing wrong and getting caught, and doing wrong because you've been told, "go ahead!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: Sorcha Date: 12 Oct 02 - 02:31 AM Nothing really very new here--shrub doing double speak, FBI doing double speak, press agents doing double speak........shrub doing his own thing instead of actually answering a question. And, (from the CopWife) police departments of any stripe have never been very good about actually policing their own departments, This Small US Town included. I've been complaining about that for years with small resuluts, so have resorted to underhanded methods to get stuff publicized. (Don't tell, they'd banish me...........) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: Amos Date: 12 Oct 02 - 03:44 AM Sorcha: I want to read the book, You could make the cover of the Reader's Digest! But wait until y'all are ready to retire, or maybe use a --pardon the term -- pen name. :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: The President is Confident That.... From: Lanfranc Date: 12 Oct 02 - 08:49 AM Bartlett for President!! Alan |