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Subject: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: SharonA Date: 21 Aug 02 - 02:47 PM My page-a-day cat calendar says: "Polydactyl cats [cats with extra toes] were especially prized by old-time sailors because they were considered lucky – they were also excellent mousers." This got me to wondering whether there are any shanties or other sea songs that mention seafaring polydactyl cats and the extra luck they bring (and/or their prowess as mousers). Anybody know of such songs? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: John Minear Date: 21 Aug 02 - 05:20 PM I've heard about a "cat-o-nine-tails", but not of nine toes. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 02 - 06:04 PM No songs but an interesting article here |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: NicoleC Date: 21 Aug 02 - 06:14 PM Yep, interesting article. An animal shelter that I donate to occassionally recently ran a special contest in their magazine on finding the cat with the most toes. It made for some pretty wild snapshots. I think the lucky winner had 33. Wow! That's a lot of toes. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Bev and Jerry Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:14 PM On the news last night they showed a cat with 27 toes. The owner had a letter from Guiness World Records stating that this was the maximum number of toes on any cat in the world. How the hell they know this is beyond us. Could anyone who makes that wonderful black stuff be wrong? Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: CapriUni Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:15 PM So, does anybody know (or is willing to hazard a guess) as to why polydactyl cats are considered lucky? Could be any relation to the idea that rabbits' feet are lucky? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:07 PM Probably for the same reason four-leaf clovers are supposed to be lucky. There seems to be a human tendency to endow natural anomalies with slightly supernatural characteristics. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: NicoleC Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:37 PM Yeah, I know about the "record" of 27 toes. Of course, this place ended up with about a dozen cats over that, surprised that the record was so LOW. I have a hunch next year's GBWR may have a new entry. Which doesn't answer the question wny anyone would want to make that a "world record" item... My cat tries to use her paws like fingers, by grasping things and picking them up. They say that polydactyl cats are even better at grasping -- maybe that's good for a mouser. Regular cats seem to get along fine without. Maybe sailors just saw cats using their paws like hands and assumed it made them better mousers? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 22 Aug 02 - 01:03 AM Greetings all, Polydactyl cats are probably better mousers because when they strike with their paw - there's so much more there. Like the difference of today's baseball gloves versus ones 75 years ago. Don't know of any songs, but there is a literary tie to these cats - When he resided in Key West, Ernest Hemmingway ended up having many cats, some of which were polydactyl. Because of the number of these cats, the fact that they were on an island and pretty territorial about the Hemingway grounds, the trait has continued on and there are around 25 descendants of his cats on site of what is now a Hemingway museum. Last time I was there 2 years ago, the oldest cat was said to be 29 years old. While I was sitting near it, a small scorpion wandered past and that 29 year old cat streched out it's nearly double sized paw and cleaned the clock of the scorpion faster than I could even see. It ate the entire thing in about a minute - except for the tip of the tail. Clearly this was one 29 year old cat to be reckond with. I'd love to hear a song about these cats. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Skipper Jack Date: 22 Aug 02 - 04:31 AM Maybe a polydactyl cat has (for his own benefit) an extra "claws" in his contract? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: masato sakurai Date: 22 Aug 02 - 07:15 AM No such superstition can I find in Katharine M. Briggs' Nine Lives: The Folklore of Cats (Pantheon, 1980) or Iona Opie and Moira Tatem, A Dictionary of Superstitions (Oxford, 1989). ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Charley Noble Date: 22 Aug 02 - 09:22 AM A good topic for a new song! I've read about the same superstitions. Somehow, someone will come up with a terrible pun. A seacat with many extra clauses would make a fine sealawyer... Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: Lyr Add: CAPE COD GIRLS (variant) From: SharonA Date: 22 Aug 02 - 09:51 AM Thanks for your responses, all! So far, the only shanty I've found that mentions cats at all is "Cape Cod Girls" (nothing in it about their toes, though, just their tails). Here's a version that varies slightly from the one in the DT, from this page: http://sailorsongs.com/cape_cod_girls.htm CAPE COD GIRLS Cape Cod girls ain't got no combs heave away, haul away They comb their hair with codfish bones heave away, haul away CHORUS: Heave away my bully, bully boys, heave away, haul away Heave away my bully, bully boys, and were bound for South Australia Cape Cod boys ain't got no sleds. heave away , haul away They slide down hills on codfish heads, heave away, haul away...CHORUS Cape Cod doctors ain't got no pills, heave away, haul; away They feed their patients codfish gills, heave away, haul away...CHORUS Cape Cod cats ain't got no tails, heave away, haul away They all blew off in Cape Cod gales, heave away, haul away...CHORUS Cape Cod women don't bake no pies, heave away , haul away They feed their babies on codfish eyes, heave away, haul away...CHORUS |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: SharonA Date: 22 Aug 02 - 10:05 AM There's also a song about a ship's cat entitled "Cat o' Nine Tales", but it appears to be an original song in either a chanty or ballad style. It's on a CD for children, "Captain Bogg & Salty: Bedtime Stories for Pirates" by Kevin Hendrickson and Loren Hoskins. Link here: http://ferncanyonpress.com/pirates/locker/bogg.shtml |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Charley Noble Date: 22 Aug 02 - 11:21 AM Maybe we could also choreograph an appropriate dance, a heel and toe, and toe, and toe... Edgar Lear's "Owl & the Pussycat" doesn't seem to wash. There's a piratical children's book on my shelf entitled THE SHIP'S CAT, all in verse which might have some potential. Maybe the song should be called "The Cat-of-Nine Claws." There was an ol' cat, a very fierce cat, There was an ol' cat from Mackinac, There was an ol' cat from Mackinac, And he was known as Ol' Nine Claw. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 02 - 11:30 AM Meg Davis has "Swing A Cat" - which is at least set in a sea song. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: EBarnacle1 Date: 22 Aug 02 - 11:52 AM Remember, there is no sanity claws. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: SharonA Date: 22 Aug 02 - 12:21 PM "...Haul up your claw garnets"? No, no, that's clew garnets... *G* (from YANKEE WHALERMEN) So if you "let go your cat stopper", does the cat come out of the bottle? (Sounds like that Bonsai Cat urban-legend!) *bigger G* |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: SharonA Date: 22 Aug 02 - 12:48 PM For anyone not familiar with the sailing terms "clew garnet" and "cat stopper", here they are from this page: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~morris3/DanaSFLex.html (so as to understand the reference in the puns I posted above!): CLEW: The lower corner of square sails, and the after corner of a fore-and-aft sail. CLEW-GARNET: A rope that hauls up the clew of a foresail or mainsail in a square-rigged vessel. CAT: The tackle used to hoist the anchor up to the cat-head. CAT-HEAD: Large timbers projecting from the vessel's side, to which the anchor is raised and secured. STOPPER: A stout rope with a knot at one end, and sometimes a hook at the other, used for various purposes about decks; as, making fast a cable, so as to overhaul; for example, Cat-stopper and Deck-stopper. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: EBarnacle1 Date: 22 Aug 02 - 02:53 PM Considering that, on both sides of the water, anything unusual was believed [not thought] to have a relationship with witchcraft, I wonder how many of these cats were wiped out as 'imps of the devil." |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 22 Aug 02 - 07:12 PM Also - why sea songs about cats? Are there a lot of seafaring cats? If so, why were (are) there all those rats?
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: CapriUni Date: 22 Aug 02 - 07:27 PM As I understand it, Blackcatter, there were a lot of seafearing cats... though I don't know how many of them went aboard voluntarily... They were taken aboard to control mice populations, particularly important if you had stores full of grain. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: SharonA Date: 23 Aug 02 - 10:20 AM Here's a case where the ship's cat didn't bring any luck at all (I guess he must not have been a polydactyl cat): the story of the Endurance. http://www.culturevulture.net/Movies3/Endurance.htm (They didn't discover for a month that Mrs. Chippy was a male cat, but they didn't bother renaming him) Here's a review of a book that tells the tale of the Endurance from Mrs. Chippy's POV: http://www.boat-links.com/books/reviews/review018.html |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Venthony Date: 23 Aug 02 - 11:46 AM Death to all cats, especially my wife's. Tony |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: EBarnacle1 Date: 23 Aug 02 - 11:55 AM There was a book in verse a few years ago, "The Ship's Cat," in which the cat rescues the crew from the vile Spanish gaol and brings out the ship in time to assist Francis Drake as he drummed the Spanish up the coast. It really reads well aloud. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Venthony Date: 23 Aug 02 - 12:13 PM EBarnacle, Now THAT'S my kinda cat. That is if any of the vile creatures were my kinda cat. Tony |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 23 Aug 02 - 11:43 PM Death to all cats - hopefully (Blackcatter wincing), you don't mean metaphorical cats, such as the Mudcat... You certainly are welcome to share your view, just remember that some cats are pretty cool and many are loved my many of us at the Mudcat. "Anyone who doesn't understand protocol, has never dealt with a cat." Robert Heinlein pax yall |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 24 Aug 02 - 12:37 AM my cousin has got 6 toes, she is a nurse, 9most of my cousins are nurses).john |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 24 Aug 02 - 12:43 AM Is that 6 toes on one foot or a total for both feet? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 24 Aug 02 - 12:44 AM Did your cousins get a group rate at University (or wherever they wen't to school for Nursing)? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: The Pooka Date: 24 Aug 02 - 12:44 AM Hang twenty-seven, me hearties: I'm working on a chantey about cats'*paws*. But I'm stuck on the chorus. Blow Ye Winds Hi Ho has already been done, I think. As has The Wreck of the Old 49. Any ideas? :) |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 24 Aug 02 - 12:46 AM I vaguely remember seeing a cat with extra paws - not just toes on his front legs. Not some weird mutation, but sort of part of this whole thing we're talking about. Anymore info? |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE POBBLE WHO HAS NO TOES (Edward Lear) From: The Pooka Date: 24 Aug 02 - 01:00 AM Then again on the other paw -- granted it's the opposite phenomenon & I'm not too sure about the chantey rhythm, but Hey, it's Maritime, sort of: The Pobble Who Has No Toes by Edward Lear The Pobble who has no toes Had once as many as we; When they said, 'Some day you may lose them all;'-- He replied, -- 'Fish fiddle de-dee!' And his Aunt Jobiska made him drink, Lavender water tinged with pink, For she said, 'The World in general knows There's nothing so good for a Pobble's toes!' The Pobble who has no toes, Swam across the Bristol Channel; But before he set out he wrapped his nose, In a piece of scarlet flannel. For his Aunt Jobiska said, 'No harm 'Can come to his toes if his nose is warm; 'And it's perfectly known that a Pobble's toes 'Are safe, -- provided he minds his nose.' The Pobble swam fast and well And when boats or ships came near him He tinkedly-binkledy-winkled a bell So that all the world could hear him. And all the Sailors and Admirals cried, When they saw him nearing the further side,-- 'He has gone to fish, for his Aunt Jobiska's 'Runcible Cat with crimson whiskers!' But before he touched the shore, The shore of the Bristol Channel, A sea-green Porpoise carried away His wrapper of scarlet flannel. And when he came to observe his feet Formerly garnished with toes so neat His face at once became forlorn On perceiving that all his toes were gone! And nobody ever knew From that dark day to the present, Whoso had taken the Pobble's toes, In a manner so far from pleasant. Whether the shrimps or crawfish gray, Or crafty Mermaids stole them away -- Nobody knew; and nobody knows How the Pebble was robbed of his twice five toes! The Pobble who has no toes Was placed in a friendly Bark, And they rowed him back, and carried him up, To his Aunt Jobiska's Park. And she made him a feast at his earnest wish Of eggs and buttercups fried with fish;-- And she said,-- 'It's a fact the whole world knows, 'That Pebbles are happier without their toes.'
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 24 Aug 02 - 07:12 AM Blackcatter, can you tell us more about Key West? As best I remember, the town evolved with close ties to seafaring people. Do you think some of the lore about "lucky cats" came from the Hemmingway House? Surely not, since that would be recent history. But is there somehow a connection?
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: NicoleC Date: 24 Aug 02 - 01:36 PM In medieval times, a good ship mouser was highly prized and an essential member of the crew. I imagine that all sorts of suspiscions and folklore arose about seafaring cats. Meanwhile, being as cat during the medieval ages was not fun. They were burned at the stake as witches, if someone was foolish enough to keep a cat as a pet, THEY were usually burned (with the cat) as a witch. My cat would scarce survive without a lap to keep her warm. It seems odd that there seem to be few songs about seafaring cats, since that's one of the few places where cats were truly welcome. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 25 Aug 02 - 12:12 AM Mary, When it comes to cats and Key West, I don't have too much info. There are a lot of cats on the island - With all the artists, musicians, etc living there, the ratio of cats (and dogs) to people is higher that in most cities. It is also a place for indoor/outdoor cats as well as quite a few strays. Of all the cats outside the Hemmingway House museum grounds, I haven't noticed any with large numbers of toes. Inside the grounds, they usually have around 30 or so cats, if I remember correctly - I've been to Key West so often, I don't take the tour any more - I jsut hand out in the garden a couple times while I'm down there. I can recall if any of the tourguides have mentioned about how the polydactyl cats got to be there. Presumably, Hemmingway and his wife either brought them with them, or they received them after they moved in. The Hemmingway Cats are very territorial. It is told that any non H.C. that climbs over the wall can find itself in a nasty fight with several of the H.C.s. That keeps the H.C.s mating with each other and reinforcing the trait. Not all the cat are polydactyl, however. Key West is famous for being a refuge of wreckers - those pirate-like humans who would occasionally lure unsuspecting boats into the reefs and then claim the salvage rights. Whether these people considiered the cats as lucky hundreds of years ago is anyone's guess. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Blackcatter Date: 25 Aug 02 - 12:19 AM Here's more info on Hemingway's Cats (sorry about the mispelling of his name above). This comes from www.hemingwayhouse.com There are approximately sixty cats living at the Hemingway Home and Museum. They come in all sizes, shapes, colors, and personalities. About half of the cats are polydactyl, which means that they have extra toes. The Ernest Hemingway Home and Museum is home to approximately sixty cats. Normal cats have five front toes and four back toes. About half of the cats at the museum are polydactyl, which means they have extra toes. Most cats have extra toes on their front feet and sometimes on their back feet as well. Sometimes it looks as if they are wearing mittens because they appear to have a thumb on their paw. Ernest Hemingway was given a six-toed cat by a ship's captain and some of the cats who live on the museum grounds are descendants of that original cat. Key West is a small island and it is possible that many of the cats on the island are related. Our cats are not a particular breed, but appear to be a combination of various breeds-sort of "Heinz 57" if you will. They are all shapes, sizes, colors and personalities. The following are some commonly asked questions about our cats: Q. Who pays for the care and feeding of the cats? A. The museum is a privately owned business, and the care and feeding of the cats is one of the many expenses of the business. Q. How many cats live here? A. There are about sixty cats living at the Hemingway Museum. They come in all sizes, shapes, colors and personalities. Q. Who feeds the cats? A. The cats are fed by caretakers of the museum. They are given dry food and their bowls are filled mornings and evenings so they always have food at the several feeding stations throughout the grounds. They are occasionally given treats of canned food or catnip, and a few are given canned food daily due to tooth problems resulting from old age or injury. Well-meaning visitors are not encouraged to feed the cats, since their diet is supervised. Q. Do you have a veterinarian? A. Yes, we do. If one of the cats need medical attention, they are taken to the vet by a staff member. Routine procedures such as ear mite treatment, flea spraying, and worming are performed here at the museum. Q. Do the cats get their shots? A. Yes, the vet comes to the museum to administer their yearly shots. The whole procedure is somewhat like a "cat rodeo," with cats being rounded up by means of treats, and the vet administering shots as fast as possible with the help of staff members. The job must be done rapidly, since the cats soon sense that something is amiss and will begin howling warnings, and slinking and scurrying in all directions. The vast majority are vaccinated the first day and their names are checked off on a list to avoid confusion. The vet returns the following week to inoculate the few who are missed the first time. ("Cat-trick"-If you gently insert your finger in the cat's ear, he will not move while having a shot. This is very effective in most cases.) Q. Are the cats fixed? A. Yes, the vast majority are spayed (female) or neutered (male). There are a couple of females and a few males who are not fixed because we like to have one or two litters of kittens per year. This ensures that we'll continue to have descendants of the Hemingway cat line to replace the few cats who die each year due to illness, old age, or accidents, but keeps the number of cats at about sixty residents. Q. Do you still have a waiting list for kittens? Do you sell the kittens? A. No, kittens are no longer available. In the past, before most of the cats were fixed, kittens were sometimes available. This is no longer true, since only replacement kittens are born each year. Those kittens are kept on the grounds to ensure that we continue to have our cat population. Q. Are the extra toes (polydactylism) caused by inbreeding? A. Yes they are, putting aside the possible negative connotations, close relationship is the strategy behind cat breeding programs which concentrate on a particular trait. For example, the Siamese breed originated from a pair of cats brought to America around 1890. They became very fashionable in the 1920's and inbreeding caused ill health, so breeders were forced to use more care in mating selection, which results in the breed as we know it today. The cats here on the grounds who are allowed to reproduce do have the polydactyl gene, however, neighboring Toms may visit our queens when they are dating, which may account for the fact that about half of our cat population are extra toed. Q. Do the cats all have names? A. Yes, all of the cats are named. Cats are capable of learning and responding to their names, particularly if they have an affectionate relationship with the person who calls them. The museum maintains a complete list of the cats who live here. Q. Why are there so many cats in Key West? A. During the shipping days, and before the days of pesticides, cats were kept to catch rats and mice. The weather is mild here and cats can live comfortably outdoors all year around; they are also quite prolific so they are numerous. There are local residents who feed many stray cats and there are a profusion of restaurants and guest houses where the cats can panhandle for hand-pouts. The local Friends of Animals chapter has instituted a "Spay-a -Stray" program to help prevent unwanted kittens. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Dead Horse Date: 25 Aug 02 - 05:24 AM Do you realise why cats are considered to be pagans and witches? Have you ever tried to baptise one??? |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Charley Noble Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:16 AM According to my favorite book about old Key West, THE LORE OF THE WRECKERS, the "wreckers" were more salvagers than pirates-they are alledged to have saved lives as well as salvaged cargo. One of my favorite ballads from the early 1820's was one written down by a friend of James Audobon and sent to him in a letter describing his attendance at a boisterous "wreckers party" on the waterfront. Unfortunately there is no mention of cats with extra toes. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: GUEST,Kathy Date: 18 Jun 11 - 04:38 PM What KIND of Shanty is or was this? It's been so pop-ified that if I wanted to imagine it as a work song I'd want to slow it way down and make it more regular. |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Joe_F Date: 18 Jun 11 - 06:21 PM Six-foot Tom |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Susan of DT Date: 18 Jun 11 - 07:37 PM Mercedes Lackey has some short stories and a book or two on cats that served on space ships. ship cats |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Nathan in Texas Date: 18 Jun 11 - 09:56 PM I've uncovered a fragment . . . Polly, pretty polydactyl, cat with two score toes, Polly polydactyl brings good luck where e'er she goes |
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Subject: RE: Sea songs about cats with extra toes? From: Gorgeous Gary Date: 19 Jun 11 - 10:44 AM Not a sea song by any stretch, but since y'all invoked, I penned this ditty about the feline residents of the Hemingway House: Key West Kitty Lyrics & Music by Gary Ehrlich (c) 1/2009 Down in Key West there's a famous home Where a writer once let some kittens roam The old man's gone but the cats are there You can see them lounging 'round without a care I wanna be a Hemingway cat Lie in the Key West sun all day I wanna be a Hemingway cat To see me have the tourists pay I wanna be a Hemingway cat I'd bask outside on the patio Or lurk on the floor in the studio Have people pet me and be well fed When I'm tired, curl up on the master bed I wanna be a Hemingway cat I'd be the finest one so far I wanna be a Hemingway cat I'd be named for a movie star I wanna be a Hemingway cat Stalk through the trees and the gardens cool But I'll stay away from the swimming pool! Do things they won't let the tourists do Sit on all the chairs, loaf on the sofas too I wanna be a Hemingway cat To have six toes; do what I wish I wanna be a Hemingway cat Dine on the finest shrimp and fish I wanna be a Hemingway cat -- Gary |
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