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Subject: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Jul 02 - 11:42 AM Gnomeson #1 (Andrew) BSc - Mathematics and Philosophy. 5 years ago Gnomeson #2 (Mikhail) BEng - Computer Science. 4 years ago and now, just got the results... Gnomeson #3 (Stewart) - BA - English. So we seem to be collecting differing types of honours! What can Gnometwindaughters get in another 4 years and can we make up a full set? I'm proud of them all, whatever they achieve, but this is a really nice run:-) Cheers Dave the Gnome |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Mikey joe Date: 04 Jul 02 - 11:46 AM comhgairdeageas congratulations DtG Mj |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: katlaughing Date: 04 Jul 02 - 11:47 AM That is quite a run! Congratulations! |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Morticia Date: 04 Jul 02 - 11:49 AM That's great, Dave, congrats! Mind you, you must be permanently impoverished putting that lot through Uni.I'm finding it hard enough with one ( and one thinking about it). |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: mack/misophist Date: 04 Jul 02 - 12:02 PM Good thing about the math and computer science. That can support philosof and english. |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: MudGuard Date: 04 Jul 02 - 12:23 PM Oh, those degrees... I just wanted to give 37 degrees centigrade (my body temperature) to the collection... Congrats! MudGuard (Computer Scientist ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Catherine Jayne Date: 04 Jul 02 - 12:46 PM CONGRATULATIONS!!!! It has just dawned on me that it has been 1 whole year since I got my degree results wow how time does fly. I still remember the relief when the results came through and 3 years of hard slog had finally paid off! Congratulations again. cat |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Murray MacLeod Date: 04 Jul 02 - 01:03 PM Congratulations DtG, but you have some way to go to equal Kevin Bacon. Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Jul 02 - 03:47 PM Thanks all - I'll pass best wishes onto #3 son:-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: C-flat Date: 04 Jul 02 - 03:54 PM Congratulations on the "Three Degrees" |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Les from Hull Date: 04 Jul 02 - 03:56 PM They're killing you by degrees, Dave! |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Blackcatter Date: 04 Jul 02 - 03:56 PM One might say you received the Third Degree... |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Jul 02 - 05:34 PM But are any of them actually useful? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: C-flat Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:00 PM At school I got "O" and "A" levels but none were as useful as my spirit-level! |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:07 PM I think I can honestly say that apart from my keyboard skills and my recorder lessons, the things I was taught at school contribute absolutely zilch to my life now. Apart from being useful in quizzes and crosswords, it has bugger all relevance to life. Even the computer skills were out of date before we finished the course.... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:15 PM So learning to write English was of no use, Liz? |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:19 PM I'd agree with you Liz. The fact that your education means that you can 'contribute' to this forum has been of bugger all use |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:20 PM I could read and write before I got to school. At school I was taught the Initial Teaching Alphabet - a phonetic alphabet with more than 26 letters, which completely screwed a whole generation of children, who had such severe difficulty functioning in the real world, that they gave it up. I remember translating notices for the rest of the class from Standard English into ITA, aged 5. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:26 PM You're talking shit, Liz |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:32 PM And you were in my class? What should I be saying - something that isn't true?? Or do you question that I could read and write before I started school aged 5? Bratling has a reading age of 8-9, at age 6. History repeats. And this forum is not life. Try getting one, you'll see. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:35 PM At what stage did I ever suggest that 'this forum is life?' You have suddenly appeared on this, and other threads in a somewhat critical mode. Not sure why. Are you drunk? |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: C-flat Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:36 PM I suppose it the value of any academic qualification would depend on what you do later on in life after you've finished your education. To many people they end up as a measure of their ability to learn and reproduce information and have no relevance to who or what they are.It's certainly an acheivement to be proud of non-the-less. |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: C-flat Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:44 PM Incidently Liz, my daughter could also read and write before she started school and has a "reading age" of 8 at 5yrs-old. Although qualifications were never relevant to my life choices I think I would be pleased to see her go on through school attaining whatever she's capable of, if just to give her options. |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:54 PM Not critical, cynical. There's a difference. Count how many people with high qualifications and half an alphabet after their names are out of work or in jobs totally at odds to their educational achievements. Hence the old joke 'what does an honours student say after graduation? D'you want fries with that?' If it's the ITA you doubt, try this site, http://www.unifon.org/ita-chart-cap.jpg or just do a word search for Initial Teaching Alphabet. It was used in many schools across the UK between 1970 - 1975, discontinued because it caused children problems when trying to read Queen's English in everyday life and on reaching junior school age (8-9). It worked well in places where English was not the first or main language, but elsewhere was deemed unsuccessful. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 04 Jul 02 - 06:58 PM Liz Is there really any point in banging on about an approach that was discontinued over 25 years ago? |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: DonD Date: 04 Jul 02 - 09:08 PM I hate to associate myself in any way with that unpleasant GUEST above, but I do hope that Liz and everyone who has been exposed to 'higher education' has taken the opportunity to learn to think and to question. Without judging one degree versus another, what we call college in the States should be more than a training academy or trade school. Sadly, I fear that too many recent graduates in accounting may have learned their numbers but not the humanities that might have prevented the manipulations at Enron/xerox/WorldCom/etc. (Keep books? I can keep two sets with one hand tied behind me!) I got an AB in Far Eastern Languages over 50 years ago and have never been West of Hawaii (or East of Zurich/Venice) but I learned enough other stuff to make my remarkably unremunerative life happier than it would have been without. I wish I had learned to touch-type! And what's wrong with quizzes and crosswords? |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: CarolC Date: 04 Jul 02 - 09:22 PM Congratulations, DtG! You must be very proud of your family. |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Bert Date: 04 Jul 02 - 11:40 PM I'll agree with you Squeaksmeluv about ITA. It was a major disaster and I feel very sorry for anyone who had to suffer through it. About the rest of the stuff though, I guess it depends on what you do for a living. I used every scrap of school mathematics and had to learn a lot more for a career in engineering. The thing that pisses me off most about school was the teachers who just didn't have a clue about teaching. I really wanted to learn languages but the teachers were too busy stuffing our heads with lists like... Sum es est sumus estis sunt instead of teaching us to SPEAK a language. And then there were the morons who gave us endless repetition of the things that we were good at and expected us to be good at other stuff without any practice at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST,DW at work Date: 05 Jul 02 - 01:36 AM I don't know who this Guest is, but they need to read the site LTS provided. ITA is still being used today here in the US. It is the best way of teaching kids with a latino based language, how to speak english. I must be one of the few who uses their degrees in their job, but that's because I knew what I was gonna do. I've known guys in full time education until they're 40 who never actually get a job because they never have the right qualification. After spending 30+ years in an Institutional education environment, they have no idea how to cope with real life, because there isn't a degree course in it. DW |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Catherine Jayne Date: 05 Jul 02 - 08:58 AM Apart from studying for qualifications moving away to university can teach young people life skills and how to work to deadlines, which what ever career path someone may take is essential in many work place environments. I do agree partly with Liz. Many people go to unversity, work their arses off, get a degree and then find they cant get a job or take employment in something totally unrelated to their degree's. My degree is a First Class Honours Degree in Music and education and I am very proud to say that. However it was appropriate at the time. I was going on to do a Teacher Training course. When I finally got into the school environment I realised the job just wasn't for me. So I am just another one of those Honours degree students who isn't using their degree. I have to say that I could read and write before I started school and at the age of 5 had a reading age of 8. Oh well enough said me thinks. Well done DtG family catsPHiddle |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Jul 02 - 10:07 AM Take no notice Liz me deario. I think our guest is your old friend Jim who seems to quite like being smacked by his betters. Just tell him to go away and play like a good little boy and he will wet his pants and go away quite happy as usual;-) Out of interest. Andrew (Maths and Philosophy) is a technical editor for a major publisher of computing manuals. Sort of fits in with the degree is you screw your eyes up... Mikhail (Computer Science) designs and runs Virtial Environments. Perfect fit. Stewart (Engish) Well he has just finished so he is still skiving at the mo. His English is very useful for coming up with good excuses though! Me? HNC Business Studies with a distinction in Accounts. Hated it. Love my current role in Computer Consultancy though and the Business Studies does help... Sometimes! Went on to take an Economics degree but never realy started it thank God;-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 08 Nov 02 - 12:47 AM gettin mine next month |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: CraigS Date: 08 Nov 02 - 07:26 PM I never got a proper degree (but I am professionally qualified), so I intend to distance myself from my wife's definitions of degree abbreviations: BA - bugger all BSc - bull scheit Msc - More scheit PhD - Piled high and deep BEng - not quite a dog (Bengo) MB - Master of buggery ChB - chirps like a bird DSc - souvenir of Geoff (sorry about the car) Wife never got beyond the BSc - wonder why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie Date: 08 Nov 02 - 08:17 PM We know who's in a mood, and it ain't Liz the Squeak. My mother got herself in trouble with my first teachers for actually having had the audacity to teach me to read. Didn't she know she was likely to cause me all sorts of adjustment problems?? Jeez, wassamatter with you, Mom? My favorite conversation from the three years I wasted as an educator went something like this: Dad: I don't know why B. has to take algebra. I never used algebra in my life. Myself: And what is it that you do? Dad: I'm a custodian. Right, so daughter can do that too. God forbid she should aspire to rise to any higher level than her insightful, intelligent, wise father. I does shake my faith in science, though. After 6,000 years we should know what works in education and crime prevention and what doesn't, but we don't. Ah, well. Bring the good old bugle, boys; let's sing another song. CC |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Hrothgar Date: 08 Nov 02 - 11:09 PM I don't actually use my marketing degree in my job, but I use a lot of the skills I picked up in doing it. I just wish that I had started doing it before I turned 40. I had to spend six years doing it part time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: Troll Date: 09 Nov 02 - 12:43 AM Oh, the teachers know what works all right. It's just that the administrative types keep buying into these new theories that guarantee to "make teaching more effective" and they have the studies to prove it. The trouble is, that the studies were run on a population that does not exist in the real world,ie. a university laboratory school or a school in a wealthy district. This "great new system" is then inflicted on an overcrowded inner-city classroom or a poor rural school. When the expected results don't emerge, it's the fault of the teacher. Anyone remember "New Math" or the "Whole Language" approach? In my wifes school, the County has just come up with a great new idea for teaching reading to help those kids who haven't responded well to Whole Language. It's called "Phonics". Anyhoo, Dave, Congrats to your kids and to you. Apparently they survived what passes for an education system these days in England. Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: We're collecting degrees:-) From: GUEST Date: 09 Nov 02 - 10:31 AM Its not the papers you have, but what you do with them that counts. |