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Subject: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: paddymac Date: 08 May 02 - 08:36 AM I was reading and article linked on "nuzhound" the other day about the flying of flags in Northern Ireland. It is my perception that flag-flying in that place and this time is less in the national perspective that most people (well, at least I presume "most") are accustomed to, and more in something resembling a tribal perspective. The thing that gave me pause in the article was its assertion that loyalist neighborhoods are now also flying Israeli flags, and nationalist neighborhoods are also flying Palestinian flags. There are, of course, apparent parallels that, at one level, make it seem, at least to some degree, understandable. But, I suspect there are other subjective implications which may not be entirely favorable. I don't know what the sentiments of Israelis and/or Palenstinians might be, but they probably have mixed emotions. What think ye all? |
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Subject: RE: BS: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: Mr Happy Date: 07 Jun 02 - 04:52 AM i was at chester ff last w/end as it was the jubilee bank hol + world cup, there were loads of national flags on tents and caravans + other 'tribal' pennants of morris sides etc on the field i camped, there were a large display of welsh flags,union jacks, english flags can anyone explain why on the union jack, there's the combined flags of scotland, ireland, england but not wales? |
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Subject: RE: BS: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: Watson Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:02 AM As I understand it, at the time the first Union Flag came into being, Wales was already united to England, not a separate country governed by England. Pedants will of course tell you that it's not called the Union Jack unless it's flown from the jackstaff of a naval ship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: greg stephens Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:16 AM I'm not that up on constitutional history, but Ithink the lack of Wales in the union jack is because the flag came into being with the inclusion of Ireland (somewhat forcibly) into the already existing union of England and Scotland which hadhappened earlier (When James I and VI united the two kingdoms, and then more completely with Act of Union in 1707--Parcel of Rogues time). England had already been running Wales (with some slight degree of autonomy as a principality) for hundreds of years. So the union jack is a three way mix of England(plus Wales), Scotland and Ireland. You'ld think it would have polite to slip a little hint of St David in there somewhere, but it didnt happen. Presumably there were those in Wales at the time(1801 Act of Union )who were pissed off..Be interesting toknow if there were any protests.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: Mr Happy Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:41 AM thanks for your info on uk flag i forgot to mention that the welsh red dragon flag was also being displayed anyone know its history? |
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Subject: RE: BS: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: ozmacca Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:54 AM I would be exceeding worried about the situation indeed, if I lived in Northern Ireland and there was a Palestinian or an Israeli flag flying anywhere near me. Strikes me that the Israeli government is more than generous with its' programme of expanding urban renewal and development. And what with the IDF being more enthusiastic than accurate, you're be likely to get a Merkeva coming down your Shankhill Road before you could lift your Guinness to your lips - and those fellers don't muck about. It's bad enough when it's purely local differences and division. To align themselves with any outside hostilities, either in fact, in principle, or in jest even, seems to be downright stupid, and, let's face it, just asking for trouble to escalate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: strange bedfellows, of a sort From: Fibula Mattock Date: 07 Jun 02 - 07:13 AM I hadn't heard that about the Israeli and Palestinian flags, but driving through Belfast the other day we were just remarking how fortunate it was that the loyalists didn't have to put up any extra bunting for the Queen's Jubilee, and the nationalists didn't have to spend extra money on flags for Ireland in the World Cup... |