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IanC 23 Apr 02 - 06:34 AM
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Subject: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:34 AM

Just to counteract some of the "Harry, England and St. George" that's about today, here's a quiz with all the answers coming from the USA. Please answer the questions on the thread. Some of the answers are easy and some less straightforward. For those that aren't quickly answered, you might want to collaborate in the thread. Also, any further information about the people, songs, tunes etc. will make things more interesting.

I'll drop in now and again to help (if needed) and to summarise the state of play.

Cheers!
Ian

HERE IT IS ...

1. A musical hero for whom dirges were sung in the dark, or so Donald says. What was he singing about, and who was the guy with the sunglasses?

2. It wasn't Breakfast at Tiffany's, so what did he buy her and how did he express his final preference?

3. According to the song he was a modern-day Robin Hood, but Tommy Howard was killed by one of his own merry men. Who shot him and where is he buried; or did he really live to be 104?

4. This house has recently been rediscovered and is now on show to the public in all its glory. What's the name, and what kind of animals were associated with it?

5. Words, to the tune "Birdie in a Cage", which were the Arkansas state song from 1949 to 1963. What was the previous state song called, and who wrote the words of this one?

6. Apparently, this was a 16ft boat, with a crew of 4 or 5, and its wreck is said to remain at the bottom of the harbour. What was the special contribution to folk music of the song by Harry Belafonte, and who else sang it?

7. One of the worst disasters in 20th Century American history, it could be said to have been "natural". Where did it happen and can you name at least one folk singer whose career sprang out of it?

8. A sect of quaker heretics who later emigrated to the USA; they sang hymns to traditional folk tunes, unaccompanied and without harmony. What is their most famous hymn, and how did it come to be so famous?

9. A confederate ship, built by an English shipyard and which met its death in French waters. What was the name of her captain, and who gave the orders for her destruction?

10. This moustachioed Chicago policeman is owed a debt by many Irish people. What was his rank, and where in Ireland is he commemorated?

Good Luck!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:47 AM

Mmmmmm, tricky. Well I'll have a quick stab at the easy ones. 3 Jesse James. Robert Ford. dont know where he's buried...didnt someone claim to have seen him years later at some big exhibition (In Chicago??). 8 shakers, Gift to be Simple, Lord of the Dance. 10 capatain Francis O'Neill. Now I'll go and have a serious think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:54 AM

1 American Pie. dont know about the sunglasses. 9 Alabama, Semmes, Winslow


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: sledge
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 06:57 AM

Why does St Georges day as opposed to any other national day need "counteracting".

sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:08 AM

Sledge

Didn't say it did

;-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:22 AM

yes, i wondered at the St Georges reference. Theres only been about ten little letters: I am sure there were about 3 million on St Patricks Day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:30 AM

Just a tongue-in-cheek flippancy ... no need to wonder

:-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:31 AM

flip on!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: sledge
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:47 AM

Ian,

read the opening line of your opening post, I see the offending word as clear as day.

Pedants of the world unite :0)

Sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 07:53 AM

Sledge

A flippant (not to say ironic remark). Yes, I did use the word "Counteract" (well spotted).

Please don't look for unpleasantness where it's not intended. There's enough of it here that is intended. If you want to know the usual tenor of my posts, perhaps you'd like to click on the (From:) IanC at the top of this post.

:-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: sledge
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 08:05 AM

No worries Ian, I'll not go Trolling :) through your previous postings, I'll just wait for an easier quiz.

Cheers

Sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 08:32 AM

7. The Dust Bowl in Oklahoma -- Woody Guthrie ??????


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: irishajo
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 09:10 AM

1. Isn't American Pie about Buddy Holly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 09:41 AM

The Confederate ship was the Alabama. Britain eventually paid compensation to the USA for direct damage caused. It was the first known case in which international arbitration was sought and adhered to. Tiffany's, of course, sells diamonds. Mr Howerd, of course was Jesse James, as has previously been stated. Was the disaster the Springhill, Nova Scotia one? I know, that's the continent rather than the USA itself...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: Kim C
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 10:06 AM

Gift to Be Simple was made famous by Aaron Copland - I think he used it in Symphony for the Common Man or something like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 10:43 AM

Well, you seem to have got about half of them so far. Here's my notes for No.1.

1. Don McLean's "American Pie" seems to have been about a whole raft of things, if you believe the annotated versions on the web. Buddy Holly was, of course the man with the sunglasses (well his glasses always look dark to me), and the song was primarily about the day he died. Well done Greg and Irishajo.

;-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 11:42 AM

Come on folks, you haven't even tried 2, 4, 5 or 6 yet and the answers are incomplete for some of the others. Here's my notes on No. 3 which is mostly correct.

3. Jesse James was living in St. Joseph, Missouri when he was shot in the head by Robert Ford. He was eventually buried (1902) in the graveyard at Mt. Olivet, Missouri, following some moves to deter grave robbers. Since his death, as many as 30 men have claimed to be the real Jesse James. The last died in 1951 at age 107. Recently, his body was exhumed. DNA tests seem to show that he was the man. There is some good info on the man and the song here. Woody Guthrie rewrote a rather longer ballad (a 10ft one) by Billy Gashade in the 1930s. Greg again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 12:04 PM

#4

"Arkansas" was first adopted in 1917 but was dropped in 1949 when "The Arkansas Traveler" became the state song. In 1963, the legislature readopted "Arkansas."

I am thinking tonight of the Southland,
Of the home of my childhood days,
Where I roamed through the woods and the meadows,
By the mill and the brook that plays,
Where the roses are in bloom,
And the sweet magnolia too,
Where the jasmine is white,
And the fields are violet blue,
There's a welcome awaits all her children
Who have wandered afar from home.
Chorus:
Arkansas, Arkansas, 'Tis a name, dear,
'Tis the place I call "Home, Sweet Home,"
Arkansas, Arkansas, I salute thee,
From thy shelter no more I'll roam.

'Tis a land full of joy and of sunshine,
Rich in pearls and in diamonds rare,
Full of hope, faith and love for the stranger
Who may pass 'neath her portals fair;
There the rice fields are full,
And the cotton, corn and hay,
There the fruits of the field bloom in winter months and May,
'Tis the land that I love, First of all dear,
And to her let us all give cheer.




"The Arkansas Traveler"

The Arkansas State Song from 1949-1963
On a lonely road quite long ago
A traveler trod with a fiddle and a bow;
While rambling through the country rich and grand,
He quickly sensed the magic and the beauty of the land.


Many years have passed, the travelers gay
Repeat the tune along the highway;
And every voice that sings the glad refrain
Re-echoes from the mountains to the field of growing grain.


For the Wonder State we'll sing a song,
And lift our voices loud and long.
For the Wonder State we'll shout Hurrah!
And praise the opportunities we find in Arkansas.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 12:10 PM

Thanks, 'Spaw ... who wrote 'em (pound of flesh time)

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 12:21 PM

"Arkansas" by Eva Barnett
Sanford Faulkner and the Arkansas State Song Selection Committee for Traveller?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: DonD
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 01:08 PM

I think 4 is The house of the Rising Sun, and the animals are -- cats. 6- The Sloop John B which made every campfire a seedbed for folk.

7-- I agree with the Dust Bowl and Woody.

2, 5, 10 --??????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 01:42 PM

Francis O'Neill (1848-1936) was born in Ireland, and became chief of police of Chicago in 1901. His hobby was collecting and publishing Irish music. "O'Neill's Music of Ireland" was edited by him. Chief O'Neill's hotel, café, and bar are located in the refurbished Jamieson distillery in Smithfield, Dublin, Ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 02:06 PM

Hey Ian.....I've been trying to figure out what the hell you mean in #2........At Tiffany's they decide to have a cheap (Cracker Jack I think) ring engraved.........What is "final preference?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 02:39 PM

I don't think 6 is John B. I dont recall John B sinking in any version I've heard, I don't remember a Belafonte version, and I would have thought she would have been a bit over 16 ft. I'm not at all sure, but I feel we are looking for a quite different boat.. Funny, I thought I knew my boat songs but I'm "at sea" here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 23 Apr 02 - 03:15 PM

the real reason i don't think 6 can be John B isthat IanC asks who else sang the song; and I don't think any Mudcatter, however much of an anorak, would have the time or patience to list all the artists who've recorded this, and Im sure IanC wouldnt expect us to.(I think there could well be 10 versions in my house for a starter)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 04:28 AM

Well done 'Spaw for the answers to 5. Correct in all parts. I suspect that old Sanford C. Faulkner wrote the "Arkansas Traveller" words because they are rather more complimentary than the folk version. Reminds me of "Turmut Hoeing" being the regimental march of the Somerset Regiment in England.

For 6., you're getting there ... It is John B. and I suppose that the Beach Boys version was what I was looking for. You really haven't got the Harry Belafonte link, or its contribution to folk yet, though (was that just in the UK perhaps?).

Notes on some of the others later.

:-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 06:55 AM

Here's my notes for 7, 8 and 9. Notes for 5 later. You still haven't got all the way with 2, 4 6 and 10!!!

7. The Dustbowl Woodie Guthrie was the one I was thinking about. Thanks Mary.

8. Shakers. An easy one, this ... Simple Gifts is most famous as the basis of the tune for Sydney Carter's Lord of The Dance. Here and here is more information on Shaker music. Greg again.

9. Roll Alabama Roll - the captains, though were Kell (Alabama) and Winslow (Kearsarge). There is some good original material on Suzanne's site. I particularly like the idea that the commander of the Kearsarge was using dirty tricks ...

... the Commander of the Kearsarge, a Southern man, by the way, resorted to a miserable trick to prevent injury to his vessel. He iron-plated her with heavy cable chains and covered the armor with a thin sheeting of plank to hide the deception.

There's also some interesting information here. The Alabama was built in the Birkenhead shipyard of John Laird (now Cammell Laird). Though it's been around for over 200 years, it was recently (2001) threatened with closure.

According to this site, "Roll, Alabama, Roll" (1864) is based on an earlier American sea chanty. The lyrics of the song, written by a Confederate sailor, Frank Townsend, are about his ship, the Alabama.

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 07:26 AM

I think Bob Dylan started his recording career backing harry Belafonte: is that anything to do with the John B question? I dont see that fits with your reference to the UK though. Very intriguing.I I still dont get the reference to sinking...has the original John B boat been identified underwater or something? 2 continues completely mystifying...I've tried loking at Moon River but it doesnt seem to lead anywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 09:06 AM

I took her down to Tiffanys
I did not mind expense
I bought her two gold earrings
And they cost me fifty cents


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Quiz - American Connections
From: IanC
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 12:33 PM

Well, here's the rest of my notes. Should be self-explanatory. any questions ... just ask (!!!)

2. New York Girls The cheapskate paid 15 cents for 2 gold earrings. Finally, however, he concluded that Rum and Beer were better. Here and here are a couple of versions which are more similar to some English songs (like "Ratcliffe Highway").

4. Rising Sun The Rising Sun house has been "discovered" loads of times, but according to this claim is now on show. Since it doesn't appear in any of the New Orleans tourist pages on the web, I rather doubt it myself. The animals associated with it were of the pop group kind.

5. Arkansas Traveller ... 'Spaw pretty much sorted this one out, though the more traditional words are better. Does anybody know where the "Birdie in a Cage" tune originates from?

6. Sloop John B According to the Old School Town Song Notes (scroll down ... and thenks Joe Offer), the sloops in use around Nassau are 16ft boats with a crew of 4 or 5. Its wreck is said to be in Nassau harbour and some of the versions of the song are called "The Wreck of the Sloop John B". None of them mentions how it got wrecked, though. Apparently, Harry Belafonte introduced the song from his native Bahamas around 1950 and started a craze for Calypso music (of which this song is an example).

10. Captain (or Chief) Francis O'Neill was Chief of Police in Chicago. His book "The Music of Ireland" (often fondly called "O'Neill's Reels") is an enormous collection of tunes played in Ireland and by the Irish community in the USA. His memorial is in Tralibane, West Cork.

Cheers!
Ian


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