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Guitar player trivia.

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Subject: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 11:49 PM

John Lennon played a Gibson J-160 and he was my hero when I was learning to play, what is your thoughts on the player that influenced you the most?And what guitar did he play?


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: DonMeixner
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 12:04 AM

My first guitar idol and teacher the first time I learned guitar is Dick Ward of Elbridge NY. He had a Goya 6 String and Gibson j-45 back then, Now he uses a Martin D 35 mainly.

My second Ispiration when I relearned after crush my right wrist and thumb is my brother Gary, serious finger style work. He used a Yamaha FG-300 back then and then he moved onto a Martin OO-18.

The third time I learned I was inspired by Django Reinhardt. I figured if he could play with a burned and disabled left hand, I could also with my fingers injured. He used a Maccaferri jazz axe.

Don


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 02:45 AM

Walt Robertson, Richard Dyer-Bennet, Segovia, Sabicas, Rolf Cahn, and umpteen different finger-pickers including Dick Rosmini.

Don, one of the mainstays on the Seattle folk scene during the Fifties and early Sixties was a fellow named Bob Clark. He was missing the thumb and first and second fingers on his left hand. He used a left-handed guitar (Martin 00-18, special order) and deftly managed a flat-pick held between the two remaining fingers on his left hand (ring and pinky). He had a good singing voice and his accompaniments were fairly simple, but surprisingly ingenious. If you just heard him without seeing him, you couldn't tell there was anything unusual about his playing.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: C-flat
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 03:09 AM

James Taylor used to be my hero when I was learning to play fingerstyle and, although I could play some of his stuff reasonably well, I was amazed how much closer in sound I was when I first tried out a quality Gibson accoustic. J.T. was using a Gibson at that time although I beleive he uses Olsen now(not a make I've seen in the U.K.). Another major influence, already mentioned in this thread, is Djando Rheinhardt. I came across an old Maccaferri guitar in a shop in Leeds and was interested to see if my attempts at Gypsy jazz would be improved in the same way as my fingerstyle was. I could hardly wring a note out of Maccafferi! The single most unresponsive instrument I've ever held. The guitar,it seems, does not make the man!


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 04:17 AM

..the player who influenced you most ? and what guitar did HE play ....

tut tut


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: GUEST,kevinhowcroft@hotmail.com
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 04:46 AM

Archie fisher, and Nic Jones they played Fylde Oberons??


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: DonMeixner
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 09:02 AM

Bob,

What facinates me about this thread is how important sound is to who influences each of use C-Flat brings it up in the James Taylor comment.

I listen to a local guitar hot shot once play the exact same pieces back to back on accoustics and electric guitars. The technique used was the same on both instruments but the results where wildly different.

A single note on the accoustic was a single not followed by the next. Each very discreet in sound. The electric with the benefit of solid body sustain turnrd the whole passage into driving blues.

This fellow was good enough to go back to the accoustic guitar and play killer drive in the blues tune as well. But it clearly is the sound that made the difference in the two examples.

To a newbie on the guitar, the chosen instrument and the sound it makes can make all the difference.

Good thread.

Don


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 12:50 PM

Thanks Don, I really appreciate that, I know that there are many guitar players that influence us over the years and I think it's great to be able to share with one another the many players that have affected us.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 01:05 PM

Well, the first ones to really make an impact on me, at about the age of 8, were Chuck Berry and Richie Valens. Chuck more or less defined the 50s style of rocknroll guitar, and Richie had that kind of reckless enthusiasm in his playing that I still love. Also, Jimmy Burton's stuff on many of the Presley records, which bridged the gap between rock and country.

When the Beatles popped up in 63, I was struck not so much by Harrison as by Lennon's amazingly raw rhythm style. The Yardbirds were a big impact, with little Jimmy Page playing controlled feedback/blues. I also was a big fan of Roger McGuinn and that big 12string arpeggiated sound that drove the Byrds along.

Should I mention Hendrix and Clapton, who changed everything? Sometime along in here, I was turned on to Leo Kottke and John Fahey and their innovative acoustic styles. Jorma Kaukonen's Embryonic Journey was in the same vein, very rhythmic acoustic solo material. Garcia and Weir were doing some amazing lead and rhythm stuff at the time, but it took me years to get hip to it, especially Weir's amazing counter-melodic rhythms. Lou Reed and Sterling Morrison between them laid out the groundwork for what would define Punk and New Wave ten years later. Sneaky Pete Kleinow's steel work with the Burritos showed what was possible on the outer edges of Country Music.

Jump to Dire Straits and Mark Knopfler, who again combined the qualities of innovative lead technique with rhythm guitar sensibilities to achieve a terrific overall style. Stevie Ray Vaughn managed to refine many of Hendrix's techniques and integrate them into a hard driving Texas Blues format.

What now? I'm listening to Tim Eriksen of Cordelia's Dad a lot. He's imposing a rock sense of rhythm and dynamic on the frame work of traditional material. I also like to fall back to Robert Johnson for many of the same reasons : He constantly varied rhythm for lyrical emphasis.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 01:27 PM

Sorry, missed the second half of the question.

Walt Robertson==Carbone 12-string (one of a kind); variety of steel-string 6s at one time or another. He liked wide fingerboards and one of his favorites (got busted falling down a flight of stairs) was a Brazilian made classic that was too heavily built to be a good sounding classic, but heavily enough so it could be strung with steel strings without it eventually pulling apart.
Richard Dyer-Bennet==Vincente Tatay; later, Manuel Velazquez.
Andrés Segovia==Herman Hauser, later, José Ramirez.
Sabicas==probably Macello Barbero, maybe Arcangel Fernandez, both Flamenco.
Rolf Cahn==Rodriquez Flamenco; dunno what kind of steel-string, but it had a more or less D-shaped body, but I don't think it was a Martin. The soundboard was kind of amber, much darker than a Martins.
Dick Rosmini==dunno. He played a variety of guitars.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Tiger
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 01:30 PM

So, EJ, ever listen any of the GOOD ones?

:-)


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 01:47 PM

No, Tige, just great ones.

:>}


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 02:20 PM

Oh. Realized I left out Peter Green, Carlos Santana, Al Dimeola, Ray Manzarek, Phil Manzanera and Eddie Van Halen.

and Rick Fielding. (I'll bet that's the first time he's been next to Eddie Van Halen)


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Anahootz
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 05:14 PM

Danny Barnes. Collings D2H


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 07:07 PM

Rick will like that.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: fat B****rd
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 07:10 AM

Hello EJ, referring to the guitar playing on Richue Valens recotds I believe this was a guy called Rene Hall. I love it as well. All the best from the fB. I still like the guy who played the solo on "Rock Around The Clock" and he played a Gibson.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 11:53 AM

Actually guys...I almost MET Mr. Van Halen. When Valerie was in Toronto making a movie, Eddie accompanied her, and used to hang out at one of my favourite music stores.....not to play guitars....but to grab the owner and head off to THE GOLF COURSE!

One of my big heroes was Tom Rush. He let me play his Epiphone Texan......so I bought one. (that was MANY guitars ago.)

Rick


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 07:48 AM

Tom Rush was my first guitar idol. I couldn't have told you what guitar he played. Thanks, to Rick, I now know. I once had a goal to play as well as Joan Baez (guitar unknown) on her first album. After many years, I believe I have achieved and exceeded that goal.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Mooh
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 09:35 AM

Bob, nice thread...

If memory serves, it was Keith Richards and whatever he was playing at the moment, often a Telecater. Roy Buchanan too, playing a Telecaster. Early Led Zeppelin, with Page playing a Telecaster most of the time, though he seems to be pictured live with a Les Paul alot, but those early records sure sound Tele-like to me.

My early acoustic influences were playing better Gibsons and Martins, though Leo Kottke was playing a Bozo I think (someone can correct me on that). Don't know what Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull) was using but I loved that sound.

Right now I'm listening to alot of Simon Mayor, Tony McManus, Don Ross, Dan Crary, and other masters. Most of these guys tend to use custom made or small shop acoustics, and that's where my ears are too.

What's interesting to me is how my tastes have mellowed in cosmetic terms. I now prefer more conservative instrument styles, I used to prefer Hummingbird/Dove/vine inlay/etc styled guitars.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: GUEST,paul
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 10:24 AM

mississippi john hurt, soon as i heard a record of his I practiced hard and boought what records i could,also Doc watson.borh brilliant guitarists, but you can't copy them you can only learn and develope your own thing


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 04:50 PM

Thanks Mooh, I must be a fool, but I love to talk about guitars and other instruments so I can gain some knowledge about them. Bob


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 09:48 AM

LEJ -

Regarding The Doors ... did you mean Robbie Krieger? Manzarek played keys and supplied pedal bass on some of their songs -

C-Flat:

does J.T. use an alternate tuning on the early stuff, e.g. "Something In The Way She Moves" and if so, what is it?

To answer the question 53 posed:

Duane Allman/Dickey Betts (then after Allman's untimely demise Dickey Betts/Dan Toler, which I found, after all these years, was the guitar duo I was admiring on the songs I like best by the Allman Bros).

Dickey has had a long term love affair with a Gibson Les Paul...and Duane? Not sure, but it almost has to be a LP as well.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: fat B****rd
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 02:47 PM

Hey Bob 53 !! You're no fool for wanting to talk guitars and this is the best place I know to ask about anything without actually meeting anybody. Good on yer, all the best from the fB.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 03:10 PM

Thanks Fat B then we will sure talk guitars cause like I said earlier, guitars are my passion.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Mooh
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 04:59 AM

Bob.

I'll talk guitars anytime, anywhere. Same for fishing. You don't fish, do you? (I even have a fish inlay on one of my guitars.)

Let me know when you start playing mandolin, then we'll have more thread ideas.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 02:10 PM

Ever heard of Pete Anderson?


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:56 PM

GUEST...right, Krieger not Manzarek. I loved the slide stuff and the classical stylings ol' Robbie would throw in.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Midchuck
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 09:25 PM

Of all the great ones, I'm personally fondest of...

Jack Lawrence (Doc Watson's touring and playing partner of the last few years). The only great guitarist whose former touring guitar I now own. No, dammit, it didn't make a great guitarist out of me. But I can feel the magic in there when I play it, trying to get out. I hope the instrument isn't thinking, "Who is this idiot and how'd I ever get stuck with him?" Also the only great guitarist I've drunk any significant quantity of beer with.

Chris Newman. The only great guitarist who ever cooked me (and my two kids) dinner. Good at that, too.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 10:29 PM

George was a terrific player and he always knew when not to play.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 02:45 PM

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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 05:51 PM

Bob, I agree with you about great players knowing when not to play.
Some time ago I went to see an old hero from the seventies, Paul Rodgers of "Free" fame. Now touring with his own backing band, they did cover some of the old hits but missed Paul Kossofs timely licks.
His band were all excellent musicians, the guitarist included, but he was all over the song and the vocals. Sometimes Less is definately More!


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Glen Reid
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 11:34 PM

What sold me on guitar, was my eldest brother Lloyd and his brand new 1959 Gretch, Country Gentleman that he powered through a Ampeg tube amp. (tiny by todays standards).
Sadly both are long gone.
Glen


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Lanfranc
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 05:30 AM

My first direct influence was a (now) little-known English folksinger called Paul McNeil. He played a Martin 018, and I thought that the sound he coaxed from that little guitar was tremendous. I tried to play the same guitar, and discovered that, although the 018 helped, I still had a lot of technique to acquire. Another problem was that, on a hulk like me, an 0 series looked like a ukelele.

Under the influence of Tom Rush (and Al Stewart), I tried an Epiphone Texan for a while, but couldn't get on with the narrow fingerboard. Swapped that for a Gibson J45, but had trouble with the bridge. Had it fixed, sold it quickly and acquired my first Martin, a 1968 D18, which is still with me 30-odd years on.

Now have 3 Martins (D18, SPD16 and DM12), 4 Washburns (EA20, EA20-12, J200, WG2S), a Yairi Classical, a Guild Starfire II and a Tanglewood solid electric. I still can't play like my heroes, most of whom have already been named by others above (add Ry Cooder, Tom Paxton, Paul Simon, Martin Carthy, Derek Brimstone), but I have a lot of fun trying!

Alan


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: mooman
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 06:57 AM

Jo-Ann Kelly, who played a Zemaitis (she once offered to sell it to me and what a dumb-ass I was not to take up the offer!)

mooman


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 07:28 AM

Lonesome EJ,

Most of the Yardbirds controlled feedback was Jeff Beck. Beck claims to have invented the sound as he was sick of trying to fight feedback in clubs with bad acoustics. He found a way to use it. Jimmy joined as the Bass player, but ended up playing duel leads with Jeff.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 07:32 AM

Bert Jansch and John Renbourn were my guitar heroes and still are, along with numerous others.

Bert played a borrowed Martin (000-28) before becoming addicted to (free) hand-made Yamahas - he played an L25A for years and was playing an LL11E a couple of years ago. I've also got a video clip of him playing a different Martin, which could have been an M-something.

John started out with a Gibson J50 and I've seen him play several guitars since then. He now gigs with a small-bodied guitar which looks like a Santa Cruz OM, but isn't. Anyone know what it is?

My own favourite guitar is a Martin HJ28 and I've also got a lovely Taylor 514 which is currently on loan to Emily Slade.

Trivia: Jo Ann Kelly once borrowed my tuning fork and I've got a signed copy of "Do It" from that gig. Also, I've known Chris Newman since the late seventies - he's never cooked a meal for me but the last time he and Maire played our club he gave me a chip! (US = french fry).

I could talk about guitars all day as well, but my one attempt at fishing only resulted in a lot of drowned maggots! (I'll stick to the guitar...)

Pete


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 08:46 AM

J.J. Cale - anybody else think he's terribly underrated? Don't know what kind of guitar he plays, but after a long haitus, someone mentioned his name and got me curious, so I popped in an old import cassette I found in the bargain bin many moons ago for something like two bucks: Shades. Such tasty stuff. The whole recording comes off as just a bunch of cool musicians getting together for a jam, featuring James Burton (better known as Elvis' guitarist), Jim Keltner (session drummer for the likes of Clapton et al), and other luminaries. Cale's solos are tasty understatements that churn around underneath the music, occasionally surfacing to add an exclamation point to a passage. Cool style and such pure, sweet tone, too. His latest offering, recorded live, is the only live album he's ever made.

If I had to guess, I'd say he was playing a Fender product.


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Subject: RE: Guitar player trivia.
From: 53
Date: 16 Oct 02 - 11:38 AM

Justa Picker is one Hell of a guitar player.


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