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Subject: Morris Hunting From: Skipjack K8 Date: 08 Mar 02 - 04:29 AM From today's Daily Torygraph (establishment right wing UK broadsheet) Country Pursuits Sir, ........... I have a suggestion. Why not let the foxhunters hunt morris dancers? This would solve two problems and would be an intersting spectacle. Brian Street, Bromley, Kent. I'm not saying this is funny, but I'm not saying it isn't funny, either. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Dave Bryant Date: 08 Mar 02 - 04:47 AM Since he's from Bromley, perhaps someone ought to warn Ravensbourne Morris, but then again perhaps not...... Alternatively, perhaps the huntsmen should only be allowed to ride Hooden Horses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: alanww Date: 08 Mar 02 - 04:49 AM (Morris?) dancing on the fence, eh, Skipjack ... I am the lord of the dance said he ... & |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: IanC Date: 08 Mar 02 - 04:53 AM Not a new idea According to Sid Kipper, Morris Dancing and Hunting have been replaced, in Trunch, with a new sport called "Hunt the Morris Dancer". Regarded as better all round.
Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Whippet Date: 08 Mar 02 - 06:57 AM Sounds good to me !!!! Perhaps we could blindfold the Morris Dancers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:01 AM Whatever about the smell, wouldn't the rattle of musical shinguards be a dead giveaway? Regards |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: pavane Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:07 AM We will retaliate with our sticks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Whippet Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:11 AM Actually that's a point they (The Morris Dancers) have an advantage all they need to do is throw the sticks and the hounds will just run after them. It's so.... unfair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Skipjack K8 Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:31 AM Aaah, but the morris musk is much stronger than Reynard! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: greg stephens Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:41 AM There is a historical basis for this sport( if sport it can be called). It was widely practised by the Ulster Scots, so successfully that morris dancing became completely extinct in the area. I believe there have been some half-hearted attempts at revival. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Sarah the flute Date: 08 Mar 02 - 08:16 AM So long as they stick to MALE morris dancers (aka Ring sides) I have no objections..... watch out Ravensbourne! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: MMario Date: 08 Mar 02 - 08:24 AM From a conservationist point of view - I believe a Morris Hunting Season should be established, and firm rules in the selection of targets established and applied. After all, stag hunting has for generations been managed to increase the health of the deer herds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 08 Mar 02 - 08:24 AM True Sarah I mean who could ever hunt down 'Windsor Morris' what a fit lot they are pnarr!!pnarr!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Dave Bryant Date: 08 Mar 02 - 08:42 AM I don't think that many morrismen's wives would like them chasing after "Loose Women" either ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Dave Bryant Date: 08 Mar 02 - 08:58 AM Another thought - instead of "Hunting Pink", should the hunters wear "Bonny Green" ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Fibula Mattock Date: 08 Mar 02 - 09:14 AM Would it become drag hunting if there were transvestite morris dancers involved? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Wyrd Sister Date: 08 Mar 02 - 02:10 PM And where would Mr Fox be in all of this? After all, the hounds should be scared of fireworks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: C-flat Date: 08 Mar 02 - 02:28 PM My concern is that this may only serve to strengthen the gene pool of the Morris and we could create "super-Morris". Impervious to all known insults! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 08 Mar 02 - 02:49 PM What's the point of hunting Morris dancers? The pelts aren't good for anything... The meat is not worth feeding to dogs... Better to simply call it Morris Culling Season... A nickle an ear, just to keep the vermin down... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 08 Mar 02 - 02:51 PM Please, someone, a blicky to the newspaper article in question? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Skipjack K8 Date: 08 Mar 02 - 03:43 PM Ani, they haven't released it to the website yet. Probably tomorrow Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: GUEST,Kernow John Date: 08 Mar 02 - 06:18 PM There is one draw back. Would you want to be blooded when you caught your first one? After you Cedric! KJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: harvey andrews Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:27 PM just to be serious a moment, Martin Carthy and his wife Norma Waterson had a letter printed today (friday) in the Independent newspaper defending English folk customs, and protesting against someone holding Morris dancing up to ridicule. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Crane Driver Date: 08 Mar 02 - 07:32 PM Actually, the idea our politicians are due to bend their minds round is not to ban fox hunting but to ban hunting with dogs. It doesn't matter what is being hunted, presumably even drag hunting, where there is no live quarry, will be illegal if dogs are used. So the problem is, not how to replace the fox, but how to replace the dogs. Could Morris Dancers be trained for this? They have a good pack instinct, but surely they'd keep breaking off to the nearest pub. We did in my day, anyway. Dido, Bendigo, Lovelace and Kimber-O ... Hmmm, I'm not so sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Lucius Date: 08 Mar 02 - 10:02 PM Before I check out for another six months, I want to say hurrah for Martin Carthy and Norma Waterson. I'm sick of the ill attempts at humor every time morris dancing is brought up. Get a life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: greg stephens Date: 08 Mar 02 - 10:13 PM come on Lucius. Morris dancing is like sex,it's been going a long time, it's great fun and it's very very funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: lady penelope Date: 09 Mar 02 - 05:46 AM Yeah and men always have the strangest of expressions on their faces whilst performing!!! ; ) But wouldn't we get confused with "Wildhunt Morris" ? And what about " Wolf'shead and Vixen "? TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: clansfolk Date: 09 Mar 02 - 05:59 AM Hunt Morris Dancers?
They're welcome to try at
The Singleton Cloggers Day of Dance and Folk Music - June 15th 2002 at Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire England (http://www.singletoncloggers.n3.net)
Sorry couldn't miss the "plug" - I remember a conflict in the 60s/70s between some Rockers and a Morris team - The Rockers thought they could "Put Down" these "funny" men with flowers in their hats and prancing around with hankies - shame they didn't notice the Lancashire Clogs - no prizes for guessing who ran off with their tails between their legs - but the Morris Dancing and Apres Clog went on!
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Mar 02 - 09:47 AM greg stephens And may I add also... Very very very very FEW people manage to pull off looking cool while they do it... At least sex has the porn industry going for it... Morris? No such equivalent... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: GUEST Date: 09 Mar 02 - 10:48 AM and Morris Oxfords too? no bag limit year round season lol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Dave Bryant Date: 09 Mar 02 - 11:24 AM I agree with Martin and Norma, and if this was not a folk oriented site I might be cautious about polking fun at morris or any other folk custom. I do think, however, that we've got to be able to laugh at ourselves. Most ritual dance sides/teams/groups enjoy a joke now and again - leastways I don't think that "Brain Setting", "Tool Setting", "Marine Morris", "Constant Billy on Stilts" or ladies performing Knicker-chucking versions of "Queen's Delight" were really meant to be taken seriously. Once when I was "bottling" for a day of dance in a town centre I was asked the origin of "Jack in the Green". With a completely straight face I explained that Morris Dancing involved the drinking of large amounts of beer. It had of course originated in more rural areas with plenty of hedges which facilitated the occasional bladder relief. With the event of dancing in towns, the dancers were obliged to bring a portable hedge. The punters were satisfied, but "Jack" made some very loud threats about what would happen to any dancer who tried it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 Mar 02 - 09:26 AM Shame on you!!! What's the point of people like the Carthy's trying to stop people slagging off Morris, when the bloody Dancers can't explain why they do it and what it is! If a punter is interested enough to ask, then they should be informed reliably. Would you appreciate being told a fairy story when you ask about your taxes? LTS And yes, I know I slag off morris dancers, but I don't do it to punters! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Mr Red Date: 10 Mar 02 - 09:33 AM Watsamatter with English people, aren't they proud to be English? Oh sorry Bromley - isn't that LONDON? Yes it is! Its a dormaTORY suburb. since when has london been anything other than a metrocentric, inward looking principality? And where are all the foxes there? Yea right! feeding on the trash the locals drop 100 yards from the most English of MacDonalds & Burger King. SO lets hear it for HUNT THE LITTER LOUT, Morris bods - sticks at the ready, aaanddd CHARGE. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Crane Driver Date: 10 Mar 02 - 09:54 AM Many years ago, when I was fit and healthy (OK, healthier than I am now) I WAS a Morris Dancer. Talking of Jack in the Green reminds me of when we danced with a tree in Carmarthen. The Swansea side, (Men of Sweyn's Ey) were in the unusual position of having surplus persons, several eager young men who weren't experienced enough to dance with the side but wanted to come on tour. So we dressed them as various auxiliary characters, a fool, a hobby horse, even a red dragon (this is Wales after all), but there was one guy left over. Nevermind, says the squire, we'll make him into Jack-in-the-Green So we built him into a framework of branches that completely hid him from view, and led him into town. All went well until lunch. The greenery couldn't be removed without destroying it, and we needed it for the afternoon sessions. You'll just have to stay in it, we told him. Off we went into the pub. Now, Carmarthen isn't a hotbed of Morris Dancing at the best of times, and the landlord was puzzled as we filed in, eight guys in bells and sashes, three musicians, a fool, a horse, a dragon and ... a small tree. There was a notice on the wall saying NO DOGS but nothing saying NO TREES, so what could he do? Fifteen pints, says the man with the collecting bag (it was a good day). Does your tree want one? says the landlord. Yes, put it in a bowl and he'll stand in it, we said. Now, why would anyone want to make fun of Morris dancing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Ned Ludd Date: 10 Mar 02 - 10:11 AM You're never going to stop the media making fun of Morris,but at least they notice it! All publicity is good. They are quite capable of ignoring a 13' Giant,as I have foud on a number of occasions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Ned Ludd Date: 10 Mar 02 - 10:23 AM Just had another thought! (I know, a rare thing) If hunting with dogs is banned -use ferrets! Chasing the quarry and inserting up breeks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 Mar 02 - 03:21 PM Hey Ned, you have a giant too? What's it like? Am I likely to have seen it?? Been to Hastings at all?? The MOST giant friendly festival with the most UNgiant friendly procession route.... LTS
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Mar 02 - 04:15 PM "All publicity is good" Only if they're laughing WITH you and not AT you... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Liz the Squeak Date: 10 Mar 02 - 04:53 PM You have to have a GSOH to be a Morris dancer, who else would wear those costumes!!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Whippet Date: 11 Mar 02 - 04:13 AM Could be an new Olympic Sport that along with Clay Bodhran Shooting |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Lucius Date: 11 Mar 02 - 08:11 PM I suppose that your right Greg, I should be good natured about being called vermin. Oh, and I assume that Clinton Hammonds comment "Only if they're laughing WITH you and not AT you" comes from personal experience. Yeah, I've heard you play guitar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Clinton Hammond Date: 11 Mar 02 - 10:41 PM Have ya Lucius? Geeze, I'm sorry... Where was that? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 12 Mar 02 - 12:22 PM You got to have Balls to be a morris dancer. JohnB |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 12 Mar 02 - 12:24 PM Sorry about the typo, that was meant to read Bells ;) JohnB |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Paul from Hull Date: 12 Mar 02 - 01:55 PM Sorry, Lucius, but I'd LOVE to know how you react when the general, boneheaded lager-drinking populace maliciously take the piss out of you, compared to the good-natured ribbing here? Dont take up the bodhran, for goodness sake! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Dave Bryant Date: 13 Mar 02 - 04:31 AM Paul, I hope you're not referring to "Royal Liberty Morris" - they'll be coming for you with their motor bike chains ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Morris Hunting From: Paul from Hull Date: 13 Mar 02 - 11:12 AM *LOL* I dont believe I know them (& am therefore hoping they dont know ME either!) |