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Subject: Omagh Appeal From: Red Eye Date: 21 Feb 02 - 10:30 AM The families of the victims of the Omagh bombing are appealing for funds to help support Civil court proceedings against the people who murdered their loved ones. Bob Geldolf is heavily involved already. Perhaps between us we could pen a song/music for him to sing/play to release a record and help these people in their quest for some justice.
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: wysiwyg Date: 21 Feb 02 - 11:48 AM A link to a news summary of the bombing would be helpful. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Wolfgang Date: 21 Feb 02 - 11:55 AM Omagh bomb (link goes to part of the CAIN website) Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Tim Date: 21 Feb 02 - 11:58 AM I have nothing but sympathy for the victims of Omagh but what about all the other innocent victims since a non-combatant barman were murdered in 1966? The murderer is now a loyalistspokesman. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Red Eye Date: 21 Feb 02 - 12:07 PM Please keep this thread under the original heading. If you feel that this particular subject needs debating on a different slant then start another thread. Constructive rather than destuctive please. Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST Date: 21 Feb 02 - 04:40 PM Red Eye, And so on and on, Geldolf when he has helped the unfortunte people of Omagh could the go the Britsh Government and seek the informatin they hold on the Dublin-Monaghan bombings. Paddy Joe. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Teribus Date: 22 Feb 02 - 04:21 AM As Red Eye suggests above lets try to keep this thread on the subject. The help the Omagh victims need most urgently is money to fund their civil action against those believed responsible. Donations can be sent direct to one of these addresses: Omagh Victims Legal Trust, 56 Wendover Court, Chiltern Street, London W1U 7NU or to Omagh Victims Legal Trust, Bank of Ireland, Omagh, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland.
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Nemesis Date: 22 Feb 02 - 06:07 PM Isn't there a bank sort code and account number so that we can pay directly at our local bank or something? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Teribus Date: 23 Feb 02 - 04:35 AM Hille, Here is the info you requested from http://www.bankofireland.com Omagh Address: Campsie, Omagh Sort Code: 90-50-02 Phone: 028 82 247821 Fax: 028 82 246200 Cheers, Bill. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: The Pooka Date: 23 Feb 02 - 04:25 PM C'mon now lads, let's do as the good sponsors of this good cause have asked. A *lot* of one-man's-retired-terrorists-another-feller's-former-freedom-fighters, all the wide world 'round, have become not only spokesmen, but high government officials, even prime ministers. Let them go nameless, *here*. Let's do what we can for justice -- as well as for liberty, equity, reconciliation, unity, and peace. I claim we can still sing the history (various versions) while beginning to heal the wounds. The past is *not* lost; but a future HAS still to be won. Up compassionate republicanism; and no I don't mean Dubya, that's yet ANOTHER thread. Do right by Omagh. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Airto Date: 25 Feb 02 - 02:19 PM That there have been many atrocities committed during the Troubles goes without saying. Does that mean we do nothing about any of them? The Omagh bomb was placed less than 3 months after the public in both parts of Ireland had voted for the Good Friday Agreement, including 95% in the south, and around 90% of nationalists and republicans in the north. The larger paramilitary organisations were already on ceasefire at the time and the smaller ones that were not were shamed into announcing one in the immediate aftermath of the bomb. The bomb was indiscriminate. Those killed and maimed were civilians, of all ages and backgrounds. Those who placed it had no mandate from anybody except themselves. They did so in deliberate defiance of all sections of society in Northern Ireland and in the south. Criminal charges are unlikely because of an apparently botched police investigation. A civil case is the only means by which the perpetrators can be confronted with their deed. A group of victims has taken the courageous step of following this option. I like the idea of the victims directly confronting those thought to have planted the bomb. There is something democratic about it. They bombers chose a course of action and now must answer directly to those affected. The appeal to the public to participate in funding this action is also democratic. If the public responds, the case can go ahead. I hope the response is generous.
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Red Eye Date: 26 Feb 02 - 09:18 AM Airto, I liked your view that if this goes to court it will be because the people of both countries wish it to. You wrote very liitle but spoke volumes. Thankyou. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: The Pooka Date: 27 Feb 02 - 12:21 AM Amen, Airto. Amen. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Nemesis Date: 27 Feb 02 - 01:04 PM Bill - Thanks - unless you read this and know an account number (do you?) otherwise I'll be at the Bank tomorrow and will try and find out an account number? Thanks Hille |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Disappointed Date: 21 Dec 07 - 04:09 AM It seems that no one will be brought to justice for this crime. The investigation has been bungled, and there is insufficient evidence for a conviction. The Republican community is a close and tight knit community. Knowledge of the identity of the perpetrators must be widespread within that community. Is it not time for the silence to be broken? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: ard mhacha Date: 21 Dec 07 - 04:36 AM Surely, help the poor unfortunates of Omagh, the treacherous scum that were behind the Omagh bomb were no different thah the Britsh dirty tricks dept, that were behind the Dublin-Monagahan bombings in which a greater number of unfotunates died. The atrocities of the ruling power seems to be overlooked when it comes to condemnation. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: ard mhacha Date: 21 Dec 07 - 04:46 AM For further details on the Dublin-Monaghan bombings, write to, The Seretary Justice for the forgotten, 64-66 Lower Gardiner Street Dublin 1. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Paco Rabanne Date: 21 Dec 07 - 05:50 AM No. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 21 Dec 07 - 12:40 PM why is this in the music section? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Freewill Date: 21 Dec 07 - 02:42 PM This site on information into collusion http://www.patfinucanecentre.org/sarmagh/introsar.html |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Still disappointed Date: 22 Dec 07 - 07:28 AM How sad. Offered an opportunity to discuss solving a most despicable crime, and the only responses are "but what about this other crime" The chief of police was on the R4 Today programme yesterday. He said that, realistically, there was no hope of a conviction unless people come forward and tell what they know. So why won't they? Why protect these multiple child murderers? So thanks and no thanks for the irrelevant addresses and links. Next time put them in another thread. Here again is the link to the Cain site report on Omagh. http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/omagh/events.htm I hope people find the time to look at it. (I acknowledge that Ard Mhacha was courageous in calling Real IRA traitorous scum) |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 09 Apr 08 - 09:39 AM The appeal has been a success and the court action began yesterday. http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0407/omagh.html?rss |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 Apr 08 - 08:27 AM Sean Hoey's conviction failed when the new DNA technique was successfully challenged. No witness evidence of course. The technique has now been judged safe. He was lucky. Why will no one come forward? Why should the terrorists who slaughtered so many children and shoppers that day not be held accountable for their actions? DNA story here |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:22 AM I visited the town yesterday. The new memorial is not unveiled, but I had a peep. At the bomb site is a big glass construction with a heart. Many of the bereaved are refusing to attend the opening, partly because they think this memorial should mention what happened and who did it. The council only allowed that at the garden part. Also because Martin Mcguinness and others will be present. The garden part is a forest of metal poles with reflectors bolted to the tops. It is supposed to send sunlight down the road and round the corner to the heart. All very clever, except when it's cloudy. The families would rather have justice. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7548671.stm |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Paul Burke Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:38 AM Remember that justice means not just convicting somebody, but the right somebody. Some have claimed that the bombing was carried out by MI5, presumably in an attempt to scupper the developing peace agreement. In view of their known involvement on both sides of the Northern Ireland conflict, that possibility should not be discounted. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:46 AM Yes it should. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Royal Marines Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:52 AM Could I possibly ask everyone involved in this thread to remember that over 3,000 people died in the conflict in Northern Ireland. Young British soldiers, policemen,emergency personal and civilians. No individual or group has the monopoly on suffering or remembering. For the past ten years we have only seen the mournful faces of the Omagh victims organisation. The group doesn't seem to want to leave the media spotlight. Can we please recall ALL victims of this conflict and stop giving one incident presidency over the suffering of others. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:54 AM Fear is the main reason why further convictions for the Omagh bombing are unlikely, says a BBC reporter who has investigated the case. The BBC's John Ware, who helped make the Panorama programme "Who bombed Omagh?" which named four suspects including Colm Murphy, said key witnesses are too scared to go to court to give evidence. A prime example, he told BBC News 24, was the decision by witness Patrick Terence Morgan to withdraw his evidence. (Witnesses) won't come to court because they are frightened John Ware, Panorama Mr Morgan originally gave evidence last November in the trial to say Murphy borrowed his mobile telephone the day before the bombing. Security forces later tracked calls from that phone in Northern Ireland on 15 August 1998, the day Omagh was bombed. Mr Morgan later retracted his statement claiming his evidence had been made after Irish police pressurised him. But Mr Ware believes there is another reason. Fear factor "He withdrew his evidence saying he had had a crisis of conscience, that he had made up the allegations in his police statements to the Irish police," he said. "There is no evidence he did do that. This statement is based on extensive notes taken by the RUC in conversation with Mr Morgan and he gave plenty of detail. Twenty nine people were killed in the bombing "The truth is of course that Mr Morgan withdrew his evidence, not because he was worried not about his conscience but about a hole appearing in his head on the border. "That is the problem with this prosecution." Mr Ware said Murphy was finally convicted because he had could not explain what his telephone was doing in and around Omagh at the time of the bombing and also in and around Banbridge, a link bombing, two weeks before. In the Panorama programme, Murphy was asked why he had given his phone, and one belonging to an employee, to another man the day before the bombing. Mobile link Panorama also asked people who were questioned by detectives to account for their movements on the day of the bombing. The programme also asked for details about the usage of mobile phones registered to them. The programme named three other suspects. The critical, missing evidential link in this case is putting identities of individuals to those telephones, said Mr Ware. "In respect of the other three I'm certain they were involved, no doubt at all," he said. "The police do have witnesses who will say they spoke to people using those phones those days and identify them and won't come to court because they are frightened." Case continues Mr Ware said the original detective work on both sides of the border was imaginative. But he added that the Northern Ireland ombudsman said there were serious procedural deficiencies with the RUC investigation. Mr Ware said police were still investigating the case and the situation could have been better if procedures had been followed as the ombudsman said they should have been. "But I must say you can have all the procedural perfection in the world, it doesn't in the end encourage frightened witnesses to come to court and put their lives at risk," he added. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 08:16 AM Royal Marine (as if) I do not believe that the berieved of Omagh think that they have a monopoly on suffering. Can you give any quote or anything to justify such a slander? Of course not. Mournful faces? They have much to be mournful about. Would you tell them to forget that the murderers of their loved ones are still swaggering around? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2535306/Omagh-bombing-families-to-boycott-10th-anniversary-service.html Omagh bombing families to boycott 10th anniversary service Some of the Omagh bomb families are to boycott a commemoration service to mark the 10th anniversary of the atrocity amid claims they are being left more and more isolated in the community. At least ten families who lost loved ones in the atrocity plan to stay away from a service on Friday after a row with Omagh district council over the wording of memorials at the site of the terrorist attack and at a garden of remembrance. No-one has ever been convicted for the Real IRA attack that claimed the lives of 29 people, including a pregnant woman with twins, and left hundreds more injured. The families claim their own neighbours are now failing to back their quest for justice, and even the families' support group is "ridiculed and despised" in the town. They wanted the phrase "murdered by a dissident republican terrorist car bomb", which appeared on an original tribute, to be retained at both sites. But councillors accepted a proposal from a fact-finding team to use the phrase at the garden but not on the glass obelisk at the site of the bombing in Market Street. Carol Radford, whose 16-year-old brother Alan was killed, said Sinn Fein members of the council were trying to airbrush history. She moved out of a nationalist estate in Omagh after claiming she was subjected to a campaign of intimidation. Her sister and brother moved to England in order to "escape the bitterness". Cathy Gallagher, whose 21-year-old brother Aiden died, said she was forced to move away because her hometown had become a "cold and cruel place". "The Omagh community spirit I read so much about in newspaper articles never existed for me," she said. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 14 Aug 08 - 09:32 AM See Keith is holding a conversation with himself again ! |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 10:47 AM Denby, my last post was in reply to so called R marine. The 2 previous were an answer to Paul. Why is it that so many of you Guests try to stifle discussion of this issue? I suppose you are the same kind of people who dissuade witnesses talking about it too. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 14 Aug 08 - 11:03 AM That bomb in Omagh was a tragedy. I agree MI5 were not far away from it. The bomb that exploded in Omagh was reportedly carried out by a group called the Real IRA. This cannot be confirmed as no one was ever convicted of the bombing, hence no charge of membership placed against an individual. A trial took place against a man called Sean Hoey. He was cleared of all charges relating to the bombing and all charges relating to membership of any terrorist group. He walked away a free man. An FBI agent who infiltrated dissident republican groups, also said that accused Sean Hoey had never been named by him as having been involved or associated in any way with the illegal republican groups, no one ever said the Real IRA had men in Omagh, although the British MI5 had men in that area at that time. This young chap Hoey, an electrician from a small town in Ireland called Jonesborough,said in court that he never even heard of such a group. The case against Hoey depended heavily on forensic evidence, DNA and fibres evidence.None of this linked the chap to the bomb. A British intelligence forensic scientist called Gordon McMillen, was discredited during the trail after wiring on the detonator had apparently grown in length between the time it was recovered from the scene of the bombing and the trial. Could a British dirty tricks department have been at work ? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Teribus Date: 14 Aug 08 - 11:12 AM "Why is it that so many of you Guests try to stifle discussion of this issue?" So many? If you look into the Guest postings you find that they are "mushrooms" - One Post Wonders - Like-as-not the same person. Of course what seperates the Omagh Bombing from the "rest" was that it came after the signing of the GFA and after the all-Ireland referendum in which I think it was 92% of those who voted stated quite clearly that violence had no part in politics in Ireland period. The latter being of fundamental importance as it sort of scuppered any claim that the "Official" IRA; the "Provisional" IRA; the Irish National Liberation Army; the "Continuity" IRA or the "Real" IRA ever had any sort of mandate from the people of Ireland to go around killing people (Mostly Irish people) on their behalf in order to "Unify" Ireland. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Lauro Belfast Date: 14 Aug 08 - 11:21 AM Good Christ man, in the name of Jesus this is no time to be accusing the Irish of skulduggery. This happens to be the anniversary of a very controversial event in Irish history. One that was possibly carried out by the same British unit that bombed Dublin and Monaghan in 1974. Please God my son you will accept that the Irish republicans are now in government and you must accept that fact. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 11:43 AM Denby, Real IRA admitted that they did it. PIRA know they did it. Read this bit from An Pholacht. http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/32764 or this http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/31209 But you know all this. You are just hoping to deceive with your lies. Why do you try to deflect the blame for this satanic act? Surely you are not part of the guilty group? Are you Denby? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 14 Aug 08 - 12:05 PM Keith, are you asking me to believe what is written in this paper ? May I ask you, do you accept the word of Sinn Fein or the Provisional IRA as credible ? Do you actually read this paper and believe it ? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Teribus Date: 14 Aug 08 - 12:06 PM Ah!! Outrage from "GUEST,Lauro Belfast" - another one post mushroom. I wonder what name he, or she, will post under next? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 14 Aug 08 - 12:36 PM Ys lauro, and as Banquo said I fear, thou played most foully for it...... |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Mrshirbusteoomus Date: 14 Aug 08 - 12:38 PM Teribus, please keep to the thread. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Teribus Date: 14 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM Well that's that question answered fairly rapidly - Next!! |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 01:26 PM Denby, I do believe that IRA and Sinn Fein know exactly who committed that vile atrocity. Do you think that they do not?? I do not believe that they would lie about it, to protect MI5. Do you? I do believe that people like you, faced with the black guilt of that crime, might claim, "the British did it". What other defence could you claim? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 14 Aug 08 - 01:38 PM No one charged with the bombing of Omagh, no one charged with membership of Real IRA involved in bombs in Omagh. You resort to quoting an article written in a republican newspaper as fact ! Why would I suffer guilt, because I don't trust British Intelligence ? Half of bloody England doesn't trust them, why the hell should we expect the Irish to. Black Guilt ? U R a crazy man. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 02:18 PM Denby, I did not "resort" to a Republican paper. That was for your benefit. I could have quoted any paper or newsagency in Britain, Ireland, USA or anywhere you like. Just google "Omagh bomb" and there they all are. No one charged? Hoey was the last. He got off because his clever lawyers challenged the DNA evidence. The DNA technique has since been exhonerated, but he is still free. He was one of those accused by Panorama of being guilty. Why did he not accuse them of libel? Is it because even his lawyers would not be clever enough for that? Denby, Real IRA admitted doing it. They ADMITTED it Denby. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Why hate the Irish ? Date: 14 Aug 08 - 04:11 PM He is still an innocent man, he wasn't charged in connection with bombing Omagh. I suppose you were one of those Keith who welcomed the Birmingham Six or Guildford Four verdicts ? did they get their just rewards ? So tell us more Keith about the police messing with the evidence please. Who are the Real IRA Keith, do you know them ? it could be a cover name or alias. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,ViaM25 Date: 14 Aug 08 - 04:27 PM "He was one of those accused by Panorama of being guilty" Jeyus Keith Panorama said the Birmingham/Guildford were guilty too ! Boy do you hate the Irish Keith, that is racial and religious hate. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Aug 08 - 06:05 PM M25, No. Panorama has never before in its 50 years of broadcasting accused any unconvicted person of guilt. This is unique. Anyone else could sue. M25, I love the land of Ireland and its wonderful people. Like me, they hate you. They will not tell you in the bars you frequent, because they do fear you. When they are with people they trust, they express their disgust for you and for the fanatics from the other side. All decent people hate you for what you have done. guest why hate..... You are a fool. You make my case for me. Your best argument is to say there is no RIRA, CIRA, INLA etc. You might as well say, "I am a liar. My lies are pathetic. Laugh at me everyone." |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: skarpi Date: 14 Aug 08 - 06:43 PM it does not bring anybody back , start figting about this . the IRA has stopped , the Bristish Army is gone I hope and I hope the Orange stop their walking about the Irish people Please stop figting about this , try to live the future in peace and love and friendship . If you are gona fight about this all over again we can all read the history then we´ll see who started all this many hundred years ago , it started with the Vikings and then it went on .... sorry I cant understand this hate and anger , thank god I am living in N-Atlantic among the Icebears . . so stay in peace love and friendship , I have already light a candle for all those who have died in this war of hate and anger and revence . I surely hope I do not hurt anyone with this writing and if I am not reading the history right please correct me , and I will read the book again . ATB Skarpi Iceland |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Defend the Irish Date: 14 Aug 08 - 10:41 PM Well said skarpi. I think most of us have seen this guys dislike for the Irish on more than one occasion. He is or was a British soldier and defends his army and their murderous campaign from Cromwell through to Jackson. He needs help and understanding. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 02:50 AM Skarpi, IRA and the army have gone, but dissident Republican terrorists, like those who attacked Omagh, carry on. Recent acts, http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dissidents-blamed-for-brutal-murder-of-pizza-delivery-man-1420653.html http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Dissident-bomb-was-39murder-bid39.4190718.jp http://www.derryjournal.com/politics/RIRA39s-boast-on-murder-bid.4098861.jp http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=69822 Guest, I only hate the people who kill, and they have always been an insignificantly tiny proportion of the people of Ireland. You lie again. Are you happy to be called a liar? Defend yourself. Produce ONE SINGLE quote from me to support your lie. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 02:54 AM failed link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7455303.stm |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 15 Aug 08 - 03:44 AM "Guest, I only hate the people who kill," Well said Keith, Read this www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=12688 |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 08 - 03:51 AM Both sides aren't beyond a bit of foul play. Skarpi's right though Keith. The IRA supporters have their point of view. You'd be best stepping away from the argument. You will never convince them there was no justification for what they did. Just accept that. They will defend the point with great bittermess, and they will call you anything that comes to mind. You should know this by now, and learn to live with it. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 08 - 03:53 AM For the rest of us, the sight of you tearing yourself to pieces like this on regular occasions is not good Keith. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:00 AM I do not defend the killers on either side, nor the army. I hate them all. I do not recognise much truth in the link you give. It is just anti British propaganda. There is plenty of anti Republican propaganda out there too. I would not post such stuff. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:05 AM WLD, as Skarpi said, the IRA have stopped. They condemned the Omagh bombers too. These apologists and defenders of the Omagh killers are not IRA. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 15 Aug 08 - 09:44 AM Dont be so sure Keith. SinnFein/IRA are trying now to deny republican guilt. The SinnFein council wont have the memorial state as a fact that republican car bomb did it. Thats why some families wont be there today. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 08 - 11:27 AM I can see SF's point of view. In what sense was it a republican bomb? Who would anyone want to live in a republic, where people like this had an honoured place? Irish republicanism is an honourable cause. I can see why they would not want to be associated iwth the Omagh bombers. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 12:44 PM In what sense was it a republican bomb? From the Republican News, which speaks for Sinn Fein and for IRA: "Twenty-nine people lost their lives and over 300 were injured, many critically, when the so-called Real IRA launched an attack" The middle R stands for Republican. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 08 - 01:17 PM yes a dissident faction of the republican movement though....Whoever did it decided to break away from the main effort, the main campaign - and go their own sweet way. you can't always trust the activist's agenda to be what he declares it to be. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 02:03 PM So you are suggesting that maybe they broke away because they were less republican than the IRA? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 08 - 02:59 PM I'm not sure republicanism can be quantified - more republican, or less republican. I'm just saying god alone know what they were trying to achieve. Its been pretty bloody obscure from start what the latest load of 'troubles' were about. from when Ian Paisley first appeared on the telly roundabout 1967 shouting his head off - up to the present - quite what has been achieved by all the violence and cussing is difficult to see. We live in a country with democratic process and avowed right (if not always in practice) of freedom of expresson. I can't see that any of the violence has helped anyone to anythig that couldn't have been achieved by non violent means. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:04 PM Yes, it was all for nothing. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Denby Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:19 PM You are all so wise in hindsight. I somehow doubt the people who lived in Bombay Street would agree with you. Telling catholic's in 1960's Ulster to sit back and wait and in the fullness of time you well get the right to vote,the right to an education and maybe a decent home and employment. It would of been pie in the sky to 99% of them. I very much doubt anyone loaded up a car with explosives that day and planned to kill civilians in Omagh. Much the same way British or American soldiers didn't plan to kill thousands of civilians in Iraq or Dresden for that matter in carpet bombing. Does this Keith guy ever come out fighting against the British or American forces for killing civilians in Afghanistan or Iraq ? What about so called friendly fire incidents ? British soldiers in Ulster or India ? Please don't be selective, or do you just put the boot into the Irish ? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:33 PM Denby - not planting bombs and not giving hate speeches - does leave scope for other political activity. Eschewing violence dos not mean inactivity - other than to the very unimaginative. Anyway this is old stuff - we've been through it a million times. You will carry on thiking your thoughts that what the IRA did was fine and dandy, and Keith will go on thinking his parallel thoughts. When you both and other people like you, stop dwelling on the negative stuff and thinking about what YOU can contribute positively - the future will be secure - not until then, however brave a face we put on it. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 05:42 PM It is not just hind sight Denby. Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association and then SDLP were saying it all along. And it was them the Nationalist people turned out for. And they were right. All you did with violence was play up to the Unionists' prejudices about you, and made agreement with them so much harder to reach. All those wasted years, and wasted lives. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Aug 08 - 05:45 PM And I have made small contributions to discussions on Iraq etc. I would be happy to discuss it with you, but not here. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Jun 09 - 08:10 AM McKevitt has been found "responsible" for the Omagh bomb by the judge in the civil case brought by families of victims. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8088936.stm |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 08 Jun 09 - 01:42 PM I hesitate to get involved in what has often been a rancorous thread, but I'm really curious. On what grounds was an undercover FBI agent involved in this investigation. I assume were talking about the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Jun 09 - 02:46 PM The agent had infiltrated dissident groups. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6264747.stm |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Jun 09 - 08:35 AM Well done the families of the Omagh victims, and now shall we see justice and truth for the Dublin-Monaghan bombings. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:09 AM There should be justice for all the victims. Others may be inspired by this achievement. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 09 Jun 09 - 09:13 AM Does the Good Friday amnesty allow civil actions? |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Teribus Date: 09 Jun 09 - 10:05 AM Good question that, perhaps Mrs Jean McConville's children might follow this exact same route. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: ard mhacha Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:27 PM On the 15th of July 2008 the following statement was made in West,minister. Northern Ireland's Security Minister last night apologised for government claims made almost 40 years ago over one of the most notorious bombings of the Troubles. Paul Goggins' words on the 1971 McGurk's Bar bombing followed demands for an apology from the Government for the Army's role in covering up the incident. At the time, the security forces said it had been an IRA "own goal". Speaking in the House of Commons last night, Mr Goggins said officials had allowed "perceptions and pre-conceived ideas to cloud the evidence". "We are deeply sorry, not just for the appalling suffering and loss of life that occurred at McGurk's Bar, but also for the extraordinary additional pain caused to both the immediate families and the wider community by the erroneous suggestions made in the immediate aftermath of the explosion as to who was responsible, The explosion killed 17 people, for further information on the Dublin-Monaghan bombings just Google. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 02 Apr 11 - 12:18 PM Just got a call that a bomb has exploded in Omagh, there is a half marathon being ran in the town today, friend of mine over at it, first reports is it was a booby trap type device under a car. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: gnu Date: 02 Apr 11 - 12:27 PM A bomb has exploded under a car in Omagh, County Tyrone, it has been confirmed. Police said an explosive device detonated under a vehicle in the Highfield area off Gortin Road in the town. It has been suggested a Catholic police officer was targeted in the attack, with UTV's news editor Chris Hagan posting on Twitter that the policeman was believed to be in a critical condition. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372698/Police-officer-injured-car-bomb-detonates-Omagh.html#ixzz1INrS2SDG |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Penny S. Date: 03 Apr 11 - 05:35 AM He is now dead. His father died very recently, and his mother was depending on him. It is really hard to understand what goes on in the minds of the people who do this sort of thing. What do they not understand about killing people being wrong? About what death means? Penny |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: ChrisJBrady Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:20 AM What has really made me furious was Adams' and McGuiness's - both highly in the leadership of the IRA terrorists - show of empathy and outrage (even with wet and sorrowful eyes) - when interviewed about the bombing. Bl**dy hypocrites. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: ChrisJBrady Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:23 AM Reference: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1483997/Adams-and-McGuinness-named-as-IRA-leaders.html |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:34 AM Gerry Adams as leader of the Provisional IRA used to say "Intensify the campaign prior to an election." Probably to disillusion voters and cause embarrassment to mainstream political parties exposing their parties had no influence over the men of violence. He taught them well, and it could prove to bite his Sinn Fein party on the ass in May. Up until now, the RIRA and the CIRA have shown their attacks to be amateur and lacking materials and or retaining a permanent skill base. Between them, membership seems to be a few guys with big ego's or an axe to grind with ex Provisionals, in fact several have been victims of Provisional beatings and expulsions. This new group, Óglaigh na hÉireann, is different, little is known about them due to membership coming from campaign hardened ex Provisionals wise to success of the individual small cell policy. Their leadership comes from both the I.N.L.A. and the Provisionals and they have the capabilities, knowledge and ability to make contact with suppliers of materials. I think this is a concerning time, Onh numbers may be small, they may only represent a minor friction of republicans, but the Provisionals didn't exactly have the community behind them either late in their campaign. As yesterdays atrocity showed, it only took two men and the element of opportunity. Sin Fein will have more to lose in yesterdays attack, they were scoring votes from middle ground parties, the community may see this as republican violence and Sinn Fein unable to deliver in their promise of an ending of the armed struggle. |
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Subject: RE: Omagh Appeal From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 11 Apr 14 - 03:29 AM Seamus Daly charged with 29 murders. He was found responsible in the civil case, and admitted membership of the group that did it. |
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