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Lyr/Tune Add: Drops of Brandy
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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: DROPS OF BRANDY / DRIBBLES OF BRANDY From: Bruce O. Date: 05 Nov 99 - 04:41 PM Tune "Drops of Brandy" is said to be also called "Dribbles of Brandy" but I have not found it under that title. Tune is member of "Mad Moll" family (some members listed below), and seemingly first appears in a David Young MS, 1734, at Drummond Castle. Tune "Dribbles of Brandy" is called for as Air #30, in Adam Tomson's ballad opera 'The Dissapointed Gallant, or, Sandy Buckram in Armor', Edinburgh, 1738, and the following is the song there, Sandy in verse one being Sandy Buckram. The song is also found in NLS MS 6299, a Scots song manuscript of the 1740's. If I didn't know the tune was older I'd have thought this was the 'original' song to it.
Tune-Dribbles of Brandy
When I'm carousing all the Day
I'le turn tipsy and scold him well
When he gets drunk upon my time
Does it become such a silly knave
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Tune Family 1: [See R. D. Cannon's article, English Bagpipe Music, in Folk Music Journal, 1972. He suggests the Scots jig 'Up with Aley' (in DT) may be the progenitor of the family. Additions, primarily Irish, are from an article by Breandan Breathnach. Many of the tunes he cites are much earlier than the copies Cannon found]: Mad Moll, Virgin Queen, Yellow Stockings, A Drop/Drops of Brandy/Whiskey, Brose and Butter, Ride a Mile, Hey my Nanny/Nancy, The Faraway Wedding [c 1742], The Kitten (from song in Scots Musical Museum, where tune is considerably different from that on single sheet, c 1720-30], and in an Irish collectio by O'Farrell), Jerry Houlihan, The cudgel, The dusty Miller [c 1726], Follow her over the Border, (one among many called) The Honeymoon, Cumilium/Cumilum/Is Cuma Liom = I don't care, Fairest put on awhile (from T. Moore's song to Cumilum).
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Anglofile Date: 08 Nov 99 - 03:54 PM Bruce, I'm doing some research into songs and ballads from the turn of the 19th century. Can you suggest any Internet resources that would allow me to check the dates of material? Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 08 Nov 99 - 04:12 PM The Levy sheet music site (in Mudcats Links) is the best that I know of. Lists of Top 10, or whatever, recordings have been made since 1896. See Joel Whitburn's 'Pop Memories. 1890-1954' for these. |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Anglofile Date: 09 Nov 99 - 04:39 PM Thanks, I have visited this site. I wasn't clear about what I'm doing. The period I'm studying is 1775 to 1815. Any suggestions for me for that time frame? Much obliged, Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: MMario Date: 09 Nov 99 - 04:45 PM Levy Sheet music site is still good, you can set the date field on the search for whatever period you want. I just did a quick search using ONLY the dates, and came up with 110 items. some of these will be duplicates and some instrumental, but it should be a start. Of course if whatever internet source you look at doesn't include scanned material, you are looking at a seocndary source, but still better then nothing. The ballad index might be another good site, I don't know if that can be searched by date or not. |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 09 Nov 99 - 05:10 PM Steve Roud's broadside index references sources of about 75,000 songs of all periods (see short account on my homepage, and how to get it), but no music, and ballad sheets of that period rarely have information about date. There many Scots song and tune collections and Irish tune collections of that period. My Scots tune index only goes to about the beginning of Scots Musical Museum, 1787. My Irish tune index is fairly thorough to about 1865. Charles Gore's 'The Scottish Fiddle Music Index' cites publication of most Scots tunes, to c 1925, but not songs. An new index of ballads (80,000) by Greg Butler has been mentioned but it's aparently not yet available in any form. The National Tune Index (microfiche only) covers British Isles and American music and songs with music to 1800. British Union Catalog of Early Music (BUCEM) covers single sheet songs with music, and most British Isles publications with music through 1800, but does not note which songs are in songbooks with music. I've recently added a list of songbooks I've seen to my website. Individual songs (30,000 of them) you can search for on the new Bodley Ballads website. Look especially in the Douce and Harding, and I think, Johnson collections. Norm Cohen is working on a bibliography of 19th century American songbooks.
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Anglofile Date: 09 Nov 99 - 05:17 PM Bruce and Mario, Thank you for the resource ideas. I'll check them out and let you know what I find. I'm grateful for your willingness to help me out. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 09 Nov 99 - 10:51 PM That should have been Gregg Butler above and 90,000 ballads, 1588-1888. I got a reply today to an inquiry to him, and the index should be available in some form in the very near future.
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 11 Nov 99 - 12:35 PM As "Dribles o' Brandy", the tune is in the MacFarlane MS, II, c 1738-42 (NLS MS 2084). |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: John Nolan Date: 11 Nov 99 - 08:48 PM In the harvest season, up until the early 1960s, small Berwickshire villages like Leitholm and Swinton would hold kirns, and one of the favorite dances was Drops o' Brandy. If I remember correctly (and much drink was consumed at these affairs, so maybe I don't) the dance was a six-some circle and weave sort of thing, but the tune I recall (again, with possible flawed memory) doesn't seem to fit the words above. Any thoughts, Bruce? |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: harpgirl Date: 11 Nov 99 - 09:57 PM ...is a kirn a matchmaking festival??? I'm looking in tune finder for this tune's gif... |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: harpgirl Date: 11 Nov 99 - 10:35 PM ..noodling with these tunes makes me think that Drops of Brandy is more fun and it is played in 9/8 as a polka...Dribble of Brandy is in 6/8 but not nearly as interesting as a dance tune...where's FADAC? It's polka time!!!...maybe I should go to the Tavern??? |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: harpgirl Date: 11 Nov 99 - 10:40 PM ...also Dribbles of Brandy is a jig in a minor key (Emin)...like Road To Lisdoonvarna...But I don't think it is as effective as a dance tune...DoneyGals play Road to Lisdoonvarna as a story song...but not for dancing... |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 11 Nov 99 - 10:40 PM I may have goofed on connecting song and tune. The (9/8) "Dribles o' Brandy" in the MacFarlane MS (about the same date as the song) is "Drops of Brandy", but the following doesn't look like the same tune to me.
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: harpgirl Date: 11 Nov 99 - 10:43 PM ...there is a strong similarity in the structures of the tunes..."Drops" sound newer...Polkas sound fresher to me, at any rate! Too much dancing in the grade school gym!! |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 11 Nov 99 - 11:04 PM I see I also goofed, and is should be L:1/8 on the "Drops of Brandy" above. |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: John Nolan Date: 12 Nov 99 - 07:55 AM Harpgirl: a kirn is/was a supper and dance put on in farming villages to celebrate the end of the harvest. |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Anglofile Date: 12 Nov 99 - 12:32 PM Apparently, Drops of Brandy was a tune commonly played by a man-of-war's fiddler while the men tramped 'round the capstan to weigh anchor (chanteys weren't allowed on naval ships). My guess is that a slip jig (9/8 time, right?) played like a polka would make a good accompaniment for capstan work. |
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Subject: RE: Tune & Lyr Add: Drops of Brandy From: Bruce O. Date: 12 Nov 99 - 01:07 PM It was a fifer that played that tune and "Off she Goes" for raising the capstan in the anonymous [Robert Hay] serial tale, 'Sam Spritsail', in 'The Paisley Magazine', 1828, which I quoted in a thread here over a year ago, but can't remember the thread name. My recollection is that the subject there was sea shanties [The articles were published about 1954 as 'Landsman Hay, The Biography of Robert Hay'. My copy of 'The Paisley Magazine' has manuscipt additions crediting almost all authors of the anonymous pieces in it.] |
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