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Subject: Making your own CD(?) From: Mudjack Date: 27 Jul 99 - 02:26 AM Does anyone out there make their own CD? I have a 4 TRK sound on sound cassette mixer/tape recorder. When I find the right final take and mixing, Should I look into a recordable CD burner and make my own or is it still best to go out and spend the big bucks (I don't have) on the 1000 pressings such as Oasis? Whats out there in the recordable/CD machines? I remember years back everyone was asking for tapes, I made a homemade variety and gave most away. Now everyone's asking if I have a CD, Even a thread some time back was looking for tapes from mudcat folks. I realize the quality will still be home spun and lack the studio bang, but thought I could make something presentable. Any thought or comments or suggestions? Thanks from Mudjack |
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Alan of Australia Date: 27 Jul 99 - 10:06 AM G'day Mudjack, Yep. Foster & Alison have recorded a 4 song sampler. You'll want a CD recorder capable of "Disc at once" recording mode with software supporting this mode, most do support this. You need to convert your songs to .wav files: stereo, 16 bit, 44100 samples/sec. Make sure your wav files have some silence at the beginning and end (I use 1 sec at each end, but more common is approx. .5 sec at the beginning & whatever you prefer at the end.) A good program to record & process your files is Cool Edit Pro from http://www.syntrillium.com/ which allows you to normalise the file (amplify to a level to take full advantage of the CD dynamic range), denoise, fade in/out, compress (if you like), add many different effects (if you like) etc. etc. Cool Edit's also a good multi track recorder (up to 64 tracks) so it can replace your 4 track. A typical modern sound card will let you record a track at a time. You can then use Cool Edit to mixdown. Needs a fast computer though. A good sound card is recommended, Sound Blasters are not, except possibly the SB Live. When we recorded our sampler we used a Roland sound card, stereo. I now have two external sound cards allowing a total of 10 simultaneous inputs on 10 tracks in Cool Edit. There's not much of a limit to what you can do.
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Fadac Date: 27 Jul 99 - 10:54 AM Mudjack Funny you should bring that up. A friend and I are starting Hamster Productions. HP is going to be doing vanity CD's and videos. This is what I have and how I set it up. 1. Computer: Generic 350MHZ clone 64mb ram & 4 gb hd. Winblows 95. 2. Sound card: Sound Blaster Live. @ $200.00 (Cheeper on web ~ 175.00. This is the cheepist card I could find with the digital input (S/PDIF) We are using DAT for field recording, so want to keep things digital. 3. CD R: Smart & Easy IDE. Came with some of the best software avaible. Sonic Foundry & CD Archecht. This will record at 4x. Cost: $209.00 at a local "BIG COMPUTER STORE!!!" 4. Sure Thing: $40.00 graphics program. Makes nifty CD covers and jewl box inserts. Would I want to crank out 1000 cd's on this thing? Uh, no. It takes about 15 min to record a 50 min, CD. Here's the deal. It costs about $1.20 to buy a cd blank with a jewel box. From Oasis you can get the same thing (in a 1000 units) for under a buck. If you don't want the jewel case, just the Cd, and put them in a blank jewel case you can get down to about $0.55 each. You could put your bit of cash into a nice two-three color graphic on the CD. You can get quanities less than 1000, but the cost is only about $100 less for 500. So the best value/cost knee is at about 1000 units. If you are in the San Francisco Area, I could show you my setup. -Fadac |
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Mudjack Date: 28 Jul 99 - 12:51 AM Thanks Alan and Fadac, Thats a start and My limited knowledge is still questioning which way to go. Fadac, I usually try to see my younger brother in the fall and he lives in Redwood City. Perhaps I could drop by and check out your process of CD making and meet another Mudcat person at the same time. Mudjack |
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: j0_77 Date: 28 Jul 99 - 01:12 AM You need a CD duplicator which is entirely different to a CD recorder. A DAT (I have one) is great to create the master and a SB Live is a great way to do that. The interface between the Duplicator and the rest can be accomodated by using just the DAT - though I don't reccoment that. Get a good quality CD R and use if possible. I notice my DAT machine get really hot when scheduling tracks into the correct ignore/print order and one take is nuff!! Also there is a neat option to bypass analogue entirely - but that requires some fancy hardware OR an Amiga - YUP - one o them thangs :) Also if you use Digital the sound is crisp but I think tooo cold ...nuffin like that warm analogue sound. Hope that helps PS When I can get around to it I want to poll everyone here about putting up a Mudcat MP3 Site for demos by Mudcatteers :) Even better than printing stuff, I think, because there are 200 million people on the net and distribution is only limited by d/l times - It is the future.
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Fadac Date: 28 Jul 99 - 10:52 AM Hi, J0_77, You want a warm buzzy sound? In the software that came with the CDR, is a filter that lets you choose the type of tube amp that you wan to emulate. Ya want 12AX7's, 12AU7, 6L6, your pick.
There is also a filter that you put in the kind of mic that you used. (no I don't think it has Radio Shack in its list
Lets see, we are doing DAT recording in the field. Then it is loaded into the Roland DM-80 (digitly) Now the only analog step, a very big mixor board. Here echo is put in, EQ, level ballance, etc. This then is loaded up on another DAT. (Safty copy) and also loaded into the computer. In the computer all I do is a normalization. This sets the levels of all the tracks to the same level, I use -1 db. I also name the tracks here, put in the CD data, title, track names, etc. Then burn the CD. The CD arhect makes the REDBOOK. (What you want for a master CD.)
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Bonedaddy Date: 28 Jul 99 - 12:04 PM Mudjack..In my humble opinion, it's usually best to have your duplicating done by a dupe specialist if large numbers are what you need. At home, the average cdr seems to do about 1000 - 1200 copies before passing away. and at 15 to 20 min a copy, that can take awhile, if you have that kind of time. However, most folks don't need a thousand copies, especially all at once. If you need fifty or a hundred at a time, the few hundred dollars to set up is well worth while. Your software usually comes with the cdr, or it's easily found on the net. You can also have your tapes cleaned up and digitally mastered by a studio prior to duping, at home or otherwise. For sound cards, some of the best mid-size studios I work with use the Event daughter cards..Darla, Gina and layla.(www.event1.com) If you have a lot of experience with tape, the change to digital won't throw you to badly and it's really fun. To warm up that digital sound, for under a hundred bucks most places, A.R.T. makes a tube mic pre-amp for just that purpose. Lastly, listen to all that good advice, especially that red-book compliant thing...that's important! Our studio uses HPS and Mitsumi's. Just for the record, one of our affiates just paid 16,000 for a multi-station duplicator. If you'de like more details on equipment I've actually used or am using...... groovincds@aol.com. I think most of all, have fun and keep asking lots of questions! |
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Den Date: 28 Jul 99 - 02:19 PM Great thread guys. This is something I have been considering doing for a while. I used to have a Fostex reel to reel 8 track and have done quite a bit of recording over the years. I don't have the deck or board anymore...you know life and kids happened so I needed the money etc. I'd like to hear more about what sound cards you guys recommend and about recording acoustic instruments and the human voice. Does anyone use cakewalk? I heard people talk about it but don't know too much about it. What do you recommend to start a fairly descent home studio? As I said I am very familiar with analog recording but really want to make the leap to digital. Thanks again guys any more help on this would be much appreciated, Den. |
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Mudjack Date: 28 Jul 99 - 04:00 PM Keep it coming, I'm learning something from every post. Thanks and many more to come......Mudjack |
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Subject: RE: Making your own CD(?) From: Dave Swan Date: 28 Jul 99 - 06:05 PM Mudjack, I can tell you nothing at all about making a CD. However, when you're in Redwood City in the fall, I can tell you a lot about the breweries in this part of the world. Send up a flare and we'll grab a horn. Cheers, D. |
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