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Subject: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Date: 26 May 99 - 10:35 AM In another thread called "Annap's Gathering" a caution has been expressed (which I appreciate mucho) which leaves me wondering how many have actually experienced a violent crime personally? I'm not talking about robbery, or rape, though these are definitely violent. I mean murder, or Jeffery Daumer type stuff. Or someone going, (excuse the expression any mailmen out there), postal. Mass executions that have figured so much in the news lately. (and broken ur hearts) I'm not asking to prove a point, I'm curious. I've never experienced, or even known anyone who has experienced this horror. Annap aka APAVAO |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Jeri Date: 26 May 99 - 10:56 AM Not me. I've grew up in New York state (mountains, lakes, dairy farms, etc) and lived in Texas, Indiana, England, Korea, New Hampshire, and lived near/worked in Washington DC. Nothing ever happened to me personally, (although I quite possibly had some close calls in my life, what could've happened and didn't doesn't count) but I've known people who've had things happen to them. When I was about 15, a friend's 6 Y/O sister was raped and killed by a neighbor. I know someone who was in the NY Trade Center when the bomb went off. I knew a woman who murdered her husband. You may know someone who's had horrible things happen to them. They pack up and move, and they try not to talk about it. I still think these things are rare - I can cite far more numerous and personal acts of kindness. I'm careful but not paranoid. |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Cara Date: 26 May 99 - 12:18 PM Sign me on for the careful but not paranoid crew. Living in DC, I've had a serial window peeper/masturbator, a one-time robbery by(I suspect) an acquaintance who tore the place apart (which is a violation) and worst of all, a terrible situation where my property managerwas coming into my apartment ans stealing and just generally making himself at home, for nearly a year ands no one would do anything about it. THat turned extra scary when I found pictures of myself that had been laying about with holes burned in the face (my face) of them. Other yucky discoveries, too. I pray that that's the closest I ever get to violent crime. My tepmom sat next to a guy at her company holiday party who later confessed to a particularly grisly double homicide. She said she found him quite charming and personable, which scared the bejesus out of all of us. |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: MAG (inactive) Date: 26 May 99 - 12:58 PM This strikes me as possibly an inappropraite thread; it has none of the dubious entertainment value of the doorknockers thread, and the criteria are not at all scientific. Not to mention that those of us who are, in fact, violent crime survivors are turned off by idle curiousity. Most sincerely, Mary Ann |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Joe Offer Date: 26 May 99 - 01:40 PM I think Annap's question is well-intentioned. However, I think maybe the best answer to the question might be, "Yes, some of us have experienced violent crime, and most of us haven't. Next question?" I think Mary Ann is right. What good would be done by a thread of anecdotes from crime victims? I don't believe in burying my head in the sand and ignoring crime, but I do think we all may be more afraid of crime than we need to be. We respond by arming ourselves and making our homes into prisons with bars and alarms, by fleeing our city centers and leaving them empty and frightening at night, by restricting our children so they don't have the freedom that stimulates their creativity and intelligence. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" applies to all of life, not just to warfare. It's natural to respond to crime with a certain hysteria, but responding in that manner just makes things worse. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: annamill Date: 26 May 99 - 01:44 PM To Everyone, You're absolutely right! Sorry. I was after statistics more than stories. This is totally inappropriate for The Mudcat. Not very happy, huh? How do you erase a thread? Annap |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Joe Offer Date: 26 May 99 - 01:54 PM You don't respond to a thread for a day, and then it drops off the forum menu. Not likely to happen. Pandora, you opened the box. Such is life. I could delete the thread, Annap, but this isn't a situation where thread deletion would be appropriate. Let's let the thread go where it may, and hope it dies soon. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Bert Date: 26 May 99 - 02:59 PM Some years ago I worked in Iran, way down on the border with Iraq. I had lots of friends in the small towns in that area so, after I left I was quite concerned for their safety when the war sprang up. Well, the two sides had just about fought themselves to a standstill and I was feeling somewhat relieved and hoped that most of my friends had survived. Then our wonderful government started selling arms to Iran and the war started up all over again. I again had to suffer the horror of listening to reports of the destruction in Musian, Bustan, Susangerd, Dezful and Andimeshk. I still don't know how many more of my friends were killed. Of course if the government does it, it can't be murder. Bert. (Who won't be voting for that party) |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Peter T. Date: 26 May 99 - 06:10 PM Dear Anna, one solution would be to put in a blue clicky thing and shunt over to the "Singers Acting Badly" thread. If watching Richard Harris in "Camelot" is not a violent crime, I don't know what is. (joke) Yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Matthew B. Date: 26 May 99 - 06:28 PM I have lived in New York City since 1963, ridden the subways on a regular (daily and nightly) basis, walked the streets in all types of neighborhoods, as a young boy, adolescent, and adult. In adddition, I lived in Israel for five years, during the worst parts of the Intifada. All all that time, I never once witnessed the type of crime you describe. I think we're all pretty well over-frightened by the things we see on TV, way out of proportion to any real threat. |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Margo Date: 26 May 99 - 07:04 PM I think MAG's response is in accord with Jeri's comment, "They pack up and move, and they try not to talk about it". Certainly I can understand someone not wanting to talk about it. But, I know of a remarkable woman who was left for dead by a serial killer (can't remember his name) and now she has degrees in pschycology and is a therapist who helps others get their lives together. My hat's off to her for not letting it destroy her life. Margarita |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: katlaughing Date: 26 May 99 - 07:33 PM Annap: while I understand your wanting to gather statistics, I have to agree with some of the others and with what you posted last. Survivors of violence have hopefully dealt with it in an appropriate manner or are in the process of. It is a very personal thing. As a survivor, I personally do not want to dwell on what is long past. I prefer to keep my mind and thoughts centered on the positive things of life, without hiding my head in the sand, which even an ostrich doesn't really do! Now I've gone and renewed the thread, and I do apologise, I hope it can disappear quickly. Sincerley, Kat |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Art Thieme Date: 29 May 99 - 10:57 AM If Tom Brokaw had been there to describe what happened to the thousands that perished, by violence and otherwise, on the nightly news like was done in the Viet Nam War, the WEST never would've been settled. That war was brought into our livingrooms at dinner time. That's why the U.S. government didn't allow much of the gulf war to be photographed. And viewing the current war from a great height, like a video game (except for the truly terrible things being done by "the enemy"), assures a relative public support choreographed by the Pentagon. There are some positive aspect to vivid images of shit (even on Mudcat), even if it's only to tell one where not to step. Art |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Banjer Date: 29 May 99 - 11:25 AM It won't go away, so let's see can we change it...First off....define "Violent Crime". I can recall when I was about 9 years old a kid that lived in the neighborhood and was known as the BULLY came over to our back yard where several of my friends and I were eating a luch provided by my Mom. Bologna sandwiches and soda pop. We each got our own bottle of soda, not like Larry's mom, she would make two of us split a bottle! Anyhow enter Stevie, the bully. He came over to where we were siting and snatched MY soda. Drank it right down he did! Well, you want to talk violent crime!! Before anyone could yell, "Hey Barkeep, set 'em up again", we had Stevie on the ground, (there was at least four of us, and Stevie was 13 years old, so it made it even). He went home with a bloody nose, a split lip and maybe even a black eye. I can't say for sure because we didn't see him again for some time. We just got reports from his little brother who now was in awe of us because we had knocked his bully brother down a notch or two! Now that's violent crime....Try to take my soda, will ya... |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Barry Finn Date: 30 May 99 - 01:25 AM Many survivors do move on & many just learn to cope. It's not as infrequent as some here make it out to be (depending on where you're coming from). It happens in some places as a daily fact & way of life. From this & past postings I know that where I grew up was a very different life style than most others here. I like many of my neighbors were touched by violence on a regular, if not ongoing basis & plain & simple those that didn't die survived (I guess you might say that we had a neighborhood support system). I don't know way this thread was started (please reply) & I wasn't going to post to until it started to read like no matter where you're from life is generally a fairy tale & violence only happens on that one rare occassion & then it's usually to some one else. As a kid I lived in a city full of those someone elses. I lost a friend in the Black Friars massacre (a Boston robbery & dope deal gone bad) another I lost when he confronted a dope dealer for selling drugs to his girl, the dealer was being robber & he was shot. Lost another just because he walked out his door & into the hallway while a crime was being commited & he would've been a witness. At the age of 8 the older brother of my sister's best friend murdered along with 3 others a drunk for .75 then a few years later 4 others shot a store clerk for not much more. I still remember having to some times sleep below window height as the sound of bullets rattled. A girl friend of mine lost her younger brother to a child perdator. Alot of us weren't violent (maybe just victims) or criminals just to poor to get out & that's the main reason I posted so some that don't, might realize that there's a different life style for many, that's never seen & is uncomprehensible. I grew up in an undeclared war zone in the inner city & not much has changed in near 50 years. Innocent kids are still shot during drivebys (what kills them? The car, the gun or the trigger happy 12 year old?) Jobs are still scarce, education is still almost non existing, social services are nil & the violence that's been asked about still goes on at a rampant rate (dah!). Like Art mentions above if this were brought into the country's living rooms at dinner time maybe some would notice. It's only been recently that I've noticed I don't care if I'm out somewhere & my back is facing the door. This has been the mild & short version. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 May 99 - 01:35 AM Thanks Barry. rick |
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Subject: RE: Have you ever experienced violent crime? BS From: katlaughing Date: 30 May 99 - 10:18 AM Thanks, Barry. kat, who still doesn't feel like sharing in a public forum |
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