With the permission of John Schott and Elijah Wald, I forward this 
from the pre-war-blues list because I think there are people here 
interested in it.John>I hope somebody will prove me wrong, but I'd bet there was no sheet
>music. However....I have always wondered whether someone, somewhere, has
>a collection of this sort of material. Reading Willie "The Lion" Smith's
>memoir, he talks about the bawdy songs that used to be sung in the shows
>in (I believe) Atlantic City, which also seem to be lost. Clearly, there
>was a whole world of fully composed cabaret and show material that was
>not clean enough for sheet music or record release, but that was written
>and played by the same kinds of artists who were writing mainstream pop
>standards. It has always seemed to me that this is a missing piece in
>American music history, since who knows how many double-entendre blues
>songs are simply reworkings of more formal compositions -- as may well
>be the case with "Tricks Ain't Walkin' No More."
>
>
>john schott wrote:
>
>>Ok, so Lucille Bogan and Memphis Minnie both recorded a song 
>>entitled "Tricks Ain't Walking No More." It's a modified blues, 
>>with two visits to the IV chord before going to the turnaround. 
>>Great performances, both, as I'm sure most of you know.
>>
>>Jelly Roll Morton sang a brief a capella version of a DIFFERENT 
>>"Tricks Ain't Walking No More" for Alan Lomax in 1938. It would 
>>seem to be a verse-chorus type of song, each probably being about 
>>32 measures. Some of the words (rather hazily remembered by Morton, 
>>it would seem) are:
>>
>>"...Everytime I see that woman, she meets me,
>>I'm going to tell you she's got that lovely fee,
>>
>>But tricks ain't walking no more
>>While they're passing right by that whore
>>I've never seen things so bad before, 'cause
>>
>>II7                V7                I                VI7
>>Tricks ain't walking no more, I'll tell you,
>>II7                  V7               I
>>Tricks ain't walking no more.
>>
>>I want you to be mine, if you'll come with me,
>>and be with me, I'll love you all  the time,
>>so won't you be mine, I'm going to take you to grind
>>
>>Just then, her man would come, and I would run,
>>That would be the end of me, 'cause,
>>Tricks ain't walking no more
>>
>>Every time you see a man coming down the street,
>>He won't stop, he'll pass her door
>>Tricks ain't walking no more
>>She can't get a dime, that poor whore
>>I've never seen things so bad before, 'cause
>>Tricks ain't walking no more"
>>
>>     Is anyone familiar with this song beyond the Morton LOC 
>>recording? I am trying to find the original sheet music or a more 
>>fleshed out (ugh - no pun intended, but not denied either) 
>>recording of the song. I have visited countless sheet music 
>>archives on the web to no avail.
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>  >John Schott
>--
>Elijah Wald

That's the one! Thank you
George
George F Madaus
Professor Emeritus
Boston College
On Apr, 21, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Mary Cliff wrote:> That would be John Forster's "Entering Marion," also title cut of one 
> of
> his CDs.  Words from his site:
>
> Every year I drive out to Cape Cod for the last part of June.
> Leave the city by ten and you're there in the late afternoon.
> On the way there's a village called Marion that you pass through.
> The first time I approached it, I'll always remember the sign that came
> into view.
>
> It said, "Entering Marion."
> And I thought, "What a fun little sign!"
> But the feeling of entering Marion
> Had a kick that was hard to define...
> A rapturous rush, a physical flush,
> Chills up and down the spine.
> For the few minutes I was in Marion
> All Massachusetts was mine.
>
> (spoken) Well, it got to be kind of an annual thing...the event that 
> would
> start each vacation off with a bang!
>
> Then one year--who knows why?--I decided to try a new route.
> So I got out my map and I traced one I thought was a beaut.
> After driving all morning, I came to the top of a hill,
> Where a sign stood before me that promised a new kind of thrill.
>
> It said, "Entering Beverly,"
> Which was lovely and not overbuilt.
> And the pleasure of entering Beverly
> Far outweighed any feelings of guilt.
> I could say I'm contrite but it wouldn't be right,
> For the truth is that later that day,
> I found myself entering Sharon.
> It was there. So was I. We enjoyed it. Hey, what can I say?
>
> By the next year I'd try any route, just for novelty's sake.
> I was cursed with a thirst that no single township could slake.
> Oh, at the wheel I looked calm but inside I was running amok,
> When a sign in the road dead ahead sent me straight into shock:
>
> "Entering Lawrence."
> My God! I was out of control.
> And I'd no sooner finished with Lawrence
> Than Boom! I was entering Lowell.
> Then I backtracked and re-entered Lawrence,
> Then Quincy and Norton as well.
> Around midnight I pulled into Athol
> And flopped in a fleabag motel.
>
> I slept fitfully in my clothing
> And awoke in a pool of sweat and self-loathing.
> Lying there, feeling lower than carrion,
> A name came clear as a clarion.
> I jumped in my car
> And before very far--
>
> I was entering Marion.
> How totally, wonderfully great!
> How grand to be entering Marion
> After tramping all over the state.
> Every sleaze-bucket burb,
> Every tryst by the curb
> Had really just helped me to find
> I'm happiest entering Marion.
> I guess I'm the Marion kind.
> Oh yes, I'm the Marion kind.
> 	
> 	c 1988 Limousine Music Co (ASCAP)

Outside Buffalo, there's a small suburb (actually more like
a suburb of a suburb, part of Hamburg, NY) called Athol
Springs. Unfortunately, they spoil the fun by pronouncing it
"ATH-all." But on the other side of Buffalo is Depew
(dee-PEW, long "e" on the first syllable, accent on the
second), which gets its fair share of mockery. 
Tom Bingham
> At 01:36 PM 4/21/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> >>At one time I had a CD of various singers from a
> Martha's Vineyard  >>session. On it is a very clever song
> about Massachusetts town names.  >>Can't find it and it is
> driving me nuts. Anyone have a clue as to the CD  >>or the
> title of the song? >>
> >>Speaking of  town names there is the old MASS gem about
> having a a  >>governor with three towns named after him
> --- Peabody, Marblehead and Athol. >>
> >>George F Madaus
> >
> >I recall visiting Athol in 1975 and marveling with my
> children at the  >signs that adorned the trash cans on the
> streets:  "Keep Athol clean" >
> >John
> 
> 
> Coincidentally, I was just in Athol, MA this past weekend,
> but I didn't see  any of those signs.  (sigh....)
> I asked a friend who lives in a neighboring town if they
> had gotten used to  the name yet and could say it without
> "the" mental association, and they  said after 20 years
> they still couldn't. Lisa

Hi,
Few versions of William and Dinah exist with a tune and those that do exist
don't have the Villikins tune, however, many versions of the
widespread 'All Jolly fellows that follow the Plough' do use this tune and
it dates, like William and Dinah from the Pitts/Catnach era of broadside
printing, i.e., early 19thc.
Lucy Broadwood states in ECS (1891) that it was sung to Villikins tune in
Surrey and Berkshire. Certainly all the versions I've ever heard are sung
to it, including those from Shropshire and Yorkshire, but I must add there
are plenty of other tunes used. It's a great pity Lucy's Uncle John didn't
collect a version and publish it in 1842 with his other songs. This would
have given us a good benchmark.
SteveG

Hi,
The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their aunty Jane
Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette recording
they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present. Boy were
they embarrassed!
SteveG

Apologies for typo error.
SteveG

At 01:05 PM 4/21/2005 -0700, you wrote:> > I don't know for sure just how seriously neglected folk music is in
> > American elementary schools, but if the situation is as they say it
> > must be in large part because today's educators (many of them
> > products of the '70s and '80s) have decided (or been instructed)
> > that the music is dull and insignificant, particularly in
> > comparison with whatever's taking its place.
> >
> > Does anyone have further insights into this possibility ?  What
> > *is* taking its place ?  Symphonic studies ?  (Goak.)
> >
> > JLIn our little town of Chatham in upstate NY, both the public Middle school 
and the High school do still have bands, orchestras, and choirs.
The orchestra usually gets sheet music for classical or pop-classical stuff 
(might be some "folky" Bartok or Copland in there), and an occasional 
modern or swingy piece.  The bands play mostly jazz music (both old and 
new) and also themes from pop media, Braodway shows, or movies, -like Star 
Wars, "Cats", Batman, and modern popular tunes.  The choir sings a more 
widespread selection, but with an emphasis on modern popular music that is 
"pleasing" to the audience's ears.  Lots of soaring & inspiring chords and 
crescendos.     8-(
I'd guess about 2% of the overall music chosen might have some traditional 
folk music content.  I remember 35 years ago playing 'cello in the same 
high school orchestra in this little town, and while I myself loved playing 
"Rodeo" excerpts, the occasional Vivaldi, and Corelli's Christmas Concerto, 
the other kids mostly begged the orchestra teacher to order more pop music 
to play, like the theme from the Pink Panther, Goldfinger, the Beatles' 
Yesterday, etc.  It all made me cringe, but then again I was kind of a 
weirdo.  When I finished attending the high school concerts a few years ago 
when my daughters graduated, it seemed little had changed concerning the 
music fare.
I do remember way back in Kindergarten (1959) and in the first few grades 
in New York City public school 41 in Greenwich Village though, I remember 
fondly Mr. Shapiro showing us international folk dances (including polkas 
and square dances) and my black teachers Mr. Brown and Mr. Smith taught us 
some black spiritual songs and African dances and Mrs. Mintz taught us 
Silent Night in German.  They also taught us singing games, but I can't 
remember them.  I remember enjoying that all very much.
Lisa Johnson

I can't seem to find an  Endicott  Massachusetts and the many times I 
heard the joke it was always the trio of Peabody, Marblehead and
> Athol. True that Endicott was Peabody's first name. He was always. it 
> seems, referred to as Endicott "Chub" Peabody or just Chub PeabodyGeorgeGeorge F Madaus
Professor Emeritus
Boston College
On Apr, 21, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Paul Stamler wrote:> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Madaus" <[unmask]>
>
> <<Speaking of  town names there is the old MASS gem about having a a
> governor with three towns named after him --- Peabody, Marblehead and
> Athol.>>
>
> *Four* towns -- Endicott being the fourth. Richard Tuck is credited 
> with
> originating this witticism.
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>

--- "Lisa - S. H." <[unmask]> wrote:> At 09:38 AM 4/21/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> >Been to Bucksnort, Tennessee? Fellow that runs the
> >greasy spoon there told me it got it's name from
> the
> >still maintained by a man named Buck where one
> could
> >"get a snort." Frankly, I doubt it. Surprisingly,
> this
> >was a town William Least Heat Moon missed on his
> tour
> >of our Blue Highways (enjoyable book).
> >      Sandy
> 
> 
> Bucks are well known for letting out a very loud
> warning snort when 
> startled.  That buck snort can scare the life out of
> you when you surprise 
> a buck unexpectedly in the woods.
> Lisa
>
My thought exactly, Lisa, despite what the feller told
me, but I don't think he was trying to pull my leg.
     Sandy 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edward cray" <[unmask]><<Is this Dick Tuck the famous California political prankster, ca.
1950-1970?>>Yes.Peace,
PaulEd
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stamler <[unmask]>
Date: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:04 am
Subject: Re: Town Names> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Madaus" <[unmask]>
>
> <<Speaking of  town names there is the old MASS gem about having a a
> governor with three towns named after him --- Peabody, Marblehead and
> Athol.>>
>
> *Four* towns -- Endicott being the fourth. Richard Tuck is credited
> withoriginating this witticism.
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]><<Few versions of William and Dinah exist with a tune and those that do
exist
don't have the Villikins tune, however, many versions of the
widespread 'All Jolly fellows that follow the Plough' do use this tune and
it dates, like William and Dinah from the Pitts/Catnach era of broadside
printing, i.e., early 19thc.
Lucy Broadwood states in ECS (1891) that it was sung to Villikins tune in
Surrey and Berkshire. Certainly all the versions I've ever heard are sung
to it, including those from Shropshire and Yorkshire, but I must add there
are plenty of other tunes used. It's a great pity Lucy's Uncle John didn't
collect a version and publish it in 1842 with his other songs. This would
have given us a good benchmark.>>Earliest version in the Ballad Index, presumably sans tune:M31A: before 1821 (broadside, Bodleian 2806 c.17(469))Peace,
Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]><<The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?>>My former wife told me that this tune (the same as "Quartermaster's Store")
was actually a hymn tune, but I've forgotten which one.Peace,
Paul

Hi, Paul,
Thanks for that.
Looking at this broadside, although the woodcut looks quite early the type
doesn't look much older than say 1820, certainly not 18thc. Thompson of
Liverpool was printing 1789 to 1820 but this looks like one of his later
efforts, although it might predate Catnach/Pitts.
SteveG

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North Carolina traditional singer Frank Proffitt lived
in an area called "Pickbritches Valley" near Sugar
Grove, so-called because the first folks entering
there went through briar patches so thick it "like to
picked their britches right off'n 'em." After the
introduction of television to the holler, his
neighbors became self-conscious about it having such
an old-fashioned name. They decided to call it
"Mountaindale," instead. Very suburban! "But I call it
Pickbritches yet!," Frank assured me.
     I recorded Ally Long Parker in a rustic Ozark
area called "Hog Scald Holler." You'll find neither
that nor Pickbritches Valley on your maps, I fear.
     Sandy--- Jean Lepley <[unmask]> wrote:> Has anyone else observed a class aspect to this
> business of names?  When I
> lived on Long Island in a very ordinary residential
> area, just on the edge
> of "old money" estate country (Locust Valley), I
> observed an ongoing clash
> over the name of a shared road.  Locust Valley
> signposts proclaimed it
> "Skunks Misery Lane"; they said "Lattingtown(ton?)
> Road" in my more
> self-consciously nice neighorhood, and at least one
> critical signpost kept
> on switching names as a result, I imagined, of late
> night "local action."
> If asked, of course, I'd have joined with the Skunks
> Misery Laners (who I
> assumed were also the people who owned the woods and
> ponds and stables
> that were so much fun to explore...)
> 

here's just a few from our side of the world.WET BEAVER CREEK
MIDDLE INTERCOURSE ISLAND
CHINAMAN'S KNOB
TITTY BONG
COCKBURN
DUNNYDOO
FUKING
IRON KNOB
MOUNT MEE
BAGDAG
BANG BANG JUMP UP
BURRUMBUTTOCK
CAPE CATASTROPHE
COME-BY-CHANCE
WOY WOY
WAGGA WAGGA
(oddly enough we Australians will call Wagga Wagga 'Wagga' but we never 
say 'Woy' - it is always Woy Woy)
BONG BONG
USELESS LOOP
UNNAMED (yep, that's the name)
HELL'S GATE
INNALOO (a loo in Australia is a toilet)
KOOLYANOBBING
CADIBARRAWIRRACANNA
NAR NAR GOON
POOWONG
BEVERLEY HILLS
TEXAS
PARIS
WYOMING
GUNBARREL HIGHWAY
GRONG GRONG
DOOTOWN
GOONOO GOONOO (pronounced gunna g'noo)
WOOLLOOMOOLOO
TOOWOOMBAIn relation to the last two I'd like to ask the forum if many towns 
with difficult names have sung traditional rhymes to teach people how 
to spell them?eg: Wooloomooloo (an inner Sydney suburb close to where I live at Potts 
Point) is an old suburb (200 years) and is obviously an Aboriginal wordThe oldtimers used to sing:W DOUBLE O DOUBLE L O M DOUBLE O L DOUBLE O
I BET YOU A DOLLAR THERE ISN'T A SCHOLAR CAN SPELL
WOOLLOOMOOLOO
REPEAT

Hi John-
I've only heard it sung to "The Quartermaster Corps" (It's the beer, 
beer beer, that makes you feel so queer, in the corps etc.)
dick greenhausJohn Mehlberg wrote:>Hello everyone,
>
>Does anyone on the list sing "Five Constipated Men of the Bible"? 
>If yes, would you mind singing it for me over the phone?  I ask 
>because I believe that there are two tunes for this song.
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Yours,
>
>John Mehlberg
>~
>Afternoons:  314.647.3883
>Evenings:     314.381.0492 
>
>
>  
>

Hello everyone,So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
the tune.Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
than 1977?Yours,John Mehlberg----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"Hi,
The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
aunty Jane
Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
recording
they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
Boy were
they embarrassed!
SteveG

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Well you keep talking 'bout my neck o' the woods(Bucksnort that is) , so I thought I should assure you that the boy's down here in Tennessee can sure fire brew up some good home brew.  Why I would venture to say that if any buck got a hold of some it would surely make him snort.  If you ever happen to be this way on I-40 just west of Nashville about an hour stop in and have some of the finest bologna sandwiches ever made anywhere.  Y'all come back now you here -  I know there's a ballad in there somewhereSammy Rich[unmask]
> 
> From: Sandy Paton <[unmask]>
> Date: 2005/04/21 Thu PM 05:41:14 EDT
> To: [unmask]
> Subject: Re: Town Names
> 
> --- "Lisa - S. H." <[unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > At 09:38 AM 4/21/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Been to Bucksnort, Tennessee? Fellow that runs the
> > >greasy spoon there told me it got it's name from
> > the
> > >still maintained by a man named Buck where one
> > could
> > >"get a snort." Frankly, I doubt it. Surprisingly,
> > this
> > >was a town William Least Heat Moon missed on his
> > tour
> > >of our Blue Highways (enjoyable book).
> > >      Sandy
> > 
> > 
> > Bucks are well known for letting out a very loud
> > warning snort when 
> > startled.  That buck snort can scare the life out of
> > you when you surprise 
> > a buck unexpectedly in the woods.
> > Lisa
> >
> My thought exactly, Lisa, despite what the feller told
> me, but I don't think he was trying to pull my leg.
>      Sandy 
> 

Thanks for pointing that out to us, Mark. Most of us
heathen folkies would know it better as "There is
power, there is power in a band of working men, when
they stand, hand in hand... etc. -- one Industrial
Union grand!" 
     Sandy --- [unmask] wrote:>  
> One of the tunes commonly used is "There is Power in
> the  Blood" .  I've 
> heard another as well but I can't remember what it 
> was.
>  
> Mark G
>  
> In a message dated 4/21/2005 1:36:25 PM Central
> Standard Time,  
> [unmask] writes:
> 
> Hello  everyone,
> 
> Does anyone on the list sing "Five Constipated Men
> of the  Bible"? 
> If yes, would you mind singing it for me over the
> phone?  I  ask 
> because I believe that there are two tunes for this
> song.
> 
> Any  help is appreciated.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> John  Mehlberg
> ~
> Afternoons:  314.647.3883
> Evenings:   314.381.0492 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

BAGDAG -- Now there's a guitar tuning I've yet to try!I hitch-hiked through Flush, Kansas, once, which I'll
always  remember. Kinda thought the Kohler Company
oughta move there.
     S.--- Warren Fahey <[unmask]> wrote:> here's just a few from our side of the world.
> 
> WET BEAVER CREEK
> MIDDLE INTERCOURSE ISLAND
> CHINAMAN'S KNOB
> TITTY BONG
> COCKBURN
> DUNNYDOO
> FUKING
> IRON KNOB
> MOUNT MEE
> BAGDAG
> BANG BANG JUMP UP
> BURRUMBUTTOCK
> CAPE CATASTROPHE
> COME-BY-CHANCE
> WOY WOY
> WAGGA WAGGA
> (oddly enough we Australians will call Wagga Wagga
> 'Wagga' but we never 
> say 'Woy' - it is always Woy Woy)
> BONG BONG
> USELESS LOOP
> UNNAMED (yep, that's the name)
> HELL'S GATE
> INNALOO (a loo in Australia is a toilet)
> KOOLYANOBBING
> CADIBARRAWIRRACANNA
> NAR NAR GOON
> POOWONG
> BEVERLEY HILLS
> TEXAS
> PARIS
> WYOMING
> GUNBARREL HIGHWAY
> GRONG GRONG
> DOOTOWN
> GOONOO GOONOO (pronounced gunna g'noo)
> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
> TOOWOOMBA
> 
> In relation to the last two I'd like to ask the
> forum if many towns 
> with difficult names have sung traditional rhymes to
> teach people how 
> to spell them?
> 
> eg: Wooloomooloo (an inner Sydney suburb close to
> where I live at Potts 
> Point) is an old suburb (200 years) and is obviously
> an Aboriginal word
> 
> The oldtimers used to sing:
> 
> W DOUBLE O DOUBLE L O M DOUBLE O L DOUBLE O
> I BET YOU A DOLLAR THERE ISN'T A SCHOLAR CAN SPELL
> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
> REPEAT
> 

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--- [unmask] wrote:>  
> LOL
>   I guess that comes from living in Texas these days
> (-:
>  
> In a message dated 4/21/2005 6:11:43 PM Central
> Standard Time,  
> [unmask] writes:
> 
> Thanks  for pointing that out to us, Mark. Most of
> us
> heathen folkies would know it  better as "There is
> power, there is power in a band of working men, 
> when
> they stand, hand in hand... etc. -- one Industrial
> Union grand!"  
> Sandy 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

John Forster  "Entering Marion"The title of the CD is something about Winter
Songs for a Winter's Night    ???>At one time I had a CD of various singers from a Martha's Vineyard
>session. On it is a very clever song about Massachusetts town names.
>Can't find it and it is driving me nuts. Anyone have a clue as to the
>CD or the title of the song?
>
>Speaking of  town names there is the old MASS gem about having a a
>governor with three towns named after him --- Peabody, Marblehead and
>Athol.
>
>
>George
>
>George F Madaus
>Professor Emeritus
>Boston College

Sammy:Bologna and butter on Wonder Bread does not constitute fine cuisine.  Not even in Bucksnort.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Sammy Rich <[unmask]>
Date: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: Town Names> Well you keep talking 'bout my neck o' the woods(Bucksnort that is) 
> , so I thought I should assure you that the boy's down here in 
> Tennessee can sure fire brew up some good home brew.  Why I would 
> venture to say that if any buck got a hold of some it would surely 
> make him snort.  If you ever happen to be this way on I-40 just 
> west of Nashville about an hour stop in and have some of the finest 
> bologna sandwiches ever made anywhere.  
> 
> Y'all come back now you here -  
> 
> I know there's a ballad in there somewhere
> 
> Sammy Rich
> 
> [unmask]
> > 
> > From: Sandy Paton <[unmask]>
> > Date: 2005/04/21 Thu PM 05:41:14 EDT
> > To: [unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Town Names
> > 
> > --- "Lisa - S. H." <[unmask]> wrote:
> > 
> > > At 09:38 AM 4/21/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Been to Bucksnort, Tennessee? Fellow that runs the
> > > >greasy spoon there told me it got it's name from
> > > the
> > > >still maintained by a man named Buck where one
> > > could
> > > >"get a snort." Frankly, I doubt it. Surprisingly,
> > > this
> > > >was a town William Least Heat Moon missed on his
> > > tour
> > > >of our Blue Highways (enjoyable book).
> > > >      Sandy
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bucks are well known for letting out a very loud
> > > warning snort when 
> > > startled.  That buck snort can scare the life out of
> > > you when you surprise 
> > > a buck unexpectedly in the woods.
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > My thought exactly, Lisa, despite what the feller told
> > me, but I don't think he was trying to pull my leg.
> >      Sandy 
> > 
> 

On 4/21/05, edward cray wrote:>Sammy:
>
>Bologna and butter on Wonder Bread does not constitute fine cuisine.  Not even in Bucksnort.Why do you think they make the home brew? :-)-- 
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

Don't recall exactly when I first learned it, but it was certainly 
earlier than the mid-1940s--I trecogbized it when I heard it on "Songs 
of the Lincoln Brigade" (Seeger et al)dick greenhausJohn Mehlberg wrote:>Hello everyone,
>
>So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
>"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
>with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
>the tune.
>
>Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
>than 1977?
>
>Yours,
>
>John Mehlberg
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
>To: <[unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
>Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
>
>
>Hi,
>The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
>Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
>I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
>aunty Jane
>Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
>recording
>they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
>Boy were
>they embarrassed!
>SteveG
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Oops- I meant the tune. I first heard the song ca 1962.dick greenhausJohn Mehlberg wrote:>Hello everyone,
>
>So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
>"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
>with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
>the tune.
>
>Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
>than 1977?
>
>Yours,
>
>John Mehlberg
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
>To: <[unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
>Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
>
>
>Hi,
>The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
>Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
>I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
>aunty Jane
>Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
>recording
>they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
>Boy were
>they embarrassed!
>SteveG
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Gawdamighty! You guys must have been to that
restaurant in Bucksnort, too.
    S.--- edward cray <[unmask]> wrote:> Sammy:
> 
> Bologna and butter on Wonder Bread does not
> constitute fine cuisine.  Not even in Bucksnort.
> 
> Ed
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sammy Rich <[unmask]>
> Date: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:51 pm
> Subject: Re: Town Names
> 
> > Well you keep talking 'bout my neck o' the
> woods(Bucksnort that is) 
> > , so I thought I should assure you that the boy's
> down here in 
> > Tennessee can sure fire brew up some good home
> brew.  Why I would 
> > venture to say that if any buck got a hold of some
> it would surely 
> > make him snort.  If you ever happen to be this way
> on I-40 just 
> > west of Nashville about an hour stop in and have
> some of the finest 
> > bologna sandwiches ever made anywhere.  
> > 
> > Y'all come back now you here -  
> > 
> > I know there's a ballad in there somewhere
> > 
> > Sammy Rich
> > 
> > [unmask]
> > > 
> > > From: Sandy Paton <[unmask]>
> > > Date: 2005/04/21 Thu PM 05:41:14 EDT
> > > To: [unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Town Names
> > > 
> > > --- "Lisa - S. H." <[unmask]>
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > At 09:38 AM 4/21/2005 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >Been to Bucksnort, Tennessee? Fellow that
> runs the
> > > > >greasy spoon there told me it got it's name
> from
> > > > the
> > > > >still maintained by a man named Buck where
> one
> > > > could
> > > > >"get a snort." Frankly, I doubt it.
> Surprisingly,
> > > > this
> > > > >was a town William Least Heat Moon missed on
> his
> > > > tour
> > > > >of our Blue Highways (enjoyable book).
> > > > >      Sandy
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bucks are well known for letting out a very
> loud
> > > > warning snort when 
> > > > startled.  That buck snort can scare the life
> out of
> > > > you when you surprise 
> > > > a buck unexpectedly in the woods.
> > > > Lisa
> > > >
> > > My thought exactly, Lisa, despite what the
> feller told
> > > me, but I don't think he was trying to pull my
> leg.
> > >      Sandy 
> > > 
> > 
> 

Ed and Bob:  I am going to try and give out this secret recipe for an "onie" samich one more time. If you have already received this, please forgive. Ed your are right about the wonder bread, two slices is all you need along with a couple of leaves of iceberg lettuce, and a slice of home grown t'mater, seasoned with salt and pepper slithered next to that quarter inch slice of Hillshire Farms Bologna with mustard and you have a sure fired southern delicacy that any southerner at heart has indulged in. And yes, you can get your very own right there in Bucksnort!  Leave that butter at home it is fattening you know.  They make the brew to supplement the lack of income from the vegetable gardens and deer hunting.Ed:  Your package got in the mail the day I said I would send it so you should have it soon. Sammy Rich
[unmask]> 
> From: "Robert B. Waltz" <[unmask]>
> Date: 2005/04/21 Thu PM 08:47:42 EDT
> To: [unmask]
> Subject: Re: Town Names
> 
> On 4/21/05, edward cray wrote:
> 
> >Sammy:
> >
> >Bologna and butter on Wonder Bread does not constitute fine cuisine.  Not even in Bucksnort.
> 
> Why do you think they make the home brew? :-)
> 
> -- 
> Bob Waltz
> [unmask]
> 
> "The one thing we learn from history --
>    is that no one ever learns from history."
> 

Hello everyone,Two questions.     1) Who was the Englishman I interview this afternoon?  I was 
unable to get this recorded.
     2) Who left me the song on my home recorder?   It sounds like 
Sandy...You can email me privately at [unmask] or reply to this 
email.Thanks for the help.  Four field recordings in one day.  A record.Yours,John Mehlberg----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dick greenhaus" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"Oops- I meant the tune. I first heard the song ca 1962.dick greenhausJohn Mehlberg wrote:>Hello everyone,
>
>So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
>"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
>with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
>the tune.
>
>Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
>than 1977?
>
>Yours,
>
>John Mehlberg
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
>To: <[unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
>Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
>
>
>Hi,
>The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
>Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
>I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
>aunty Jane
>Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
>recording
>they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
>Boy were
>they embarrassed!
>SteveG
>
>
>
>
>
> 

'Tweren't me, John! I've heard the song, but I don't
know it. 
     The Connecticut Sandy--- John Mehlberg <[unmask]> wrote:> Hello everyone,
> 
> Two questions.
> 
>      1) Who was the Englishman I interview this
> afternoon?  I was 
> unable to get this recorded.
>      2) Who left me the song on my home recorder?  
> It sounds like 
> Sandy...
> 
> You can email me privately at [unmask] or
> reply to this 
> email.
> 
> Thanks for the help.  Four field recordings in one
> day.  A record.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> John Mehlberg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dick greenhaus" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
> 
> 
> Oops- I meant the tune. I first heard the song ca
> 1962.
> 
> dick greenhaus
> 
> John Mehlberg wrote:
> 
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >So far three people from ballad-l have all sung
> this song to
> >"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an
> interview tonight
> >with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does
> not recognise
> >the tune.
> >
> >Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a
> date earlier
> >than 1977?
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >John Mehlberg
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
> >To: <[unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >The tune I've always heard it sung to is the
> student song 'The
> >Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
> >I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads
> and their
> >aunty Jane
> >Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from
> an old cassette
> >recording
> >they made themselves. They all got a copy as a
> Christmas present.
> >Boy were
> >they embarrassed!
> >SteveG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 

I'vbe heard the song, but can't remember amost of it.  What I know is this:There were five, fivb contipated men
   In te Bible, in the Bible.
There were five five constitpated men
   In the first five books of Moses.Now the cirst first constipated man
   Was Moses. He took the Tablets.
The first, first constipated man
    Was Moses, who took the tablets.
 Th second second constipated man
    Was David;; he sat For seven years!
***********************************I heard Wally Macnow sing it at a Festival that I think was in Massachusetts; 
 he might still remember all the words!I hope you find the whole thing!  I apologize for my forgetfulness.Sam Hinton
La Jolla, CA

> From: "Robert B. Waltz" <[unmask]>
> Date: 2005/04/21 Thu PM 08:47:42 EDT
> To: [unmask]
> Subject: Re: Town Names
>
> On 4/21/05, edward cray wrote:> >Bologna and butter on Wonder Bread does not constitute fine cuisine.  Not
even in Bucksnort.
>
> Why do you think they make the home brew? :-)Y'all don't understand. Bologna is the only thing that makes Wonder Bread
edible. And vice versa.Peace,
Paul

I learned it at a Jewish summer camp, and here are the verses as I know themThe first, first constipated man
Was Cain, he wasn't AbelThe second, .. was Moses, he took two tabletsThe third ... was Sampson, he brought the house downThe fourth was Sampson, he sat for forty yearsThe fifth ... was Balaam, he couldn't move his ass.As I taught it to festival types, I learned that a Buffalo Morris dance team added the following two verses:The sixth ... was Joshua, heblew the walls downAnd here's my favorite:The seventh ... was Noah.
Oh, he sailed forty days and he sailed forty nights, and he passed nothing but water!	Marge -----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]]On
Behalf Of [unmask]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:29 PM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Re: "Five Constipated Men of the Bible"I'vbe heard the song, but can't remember amost of it.  What I know is this:There were five, fivb contipated men
   In te Bible, in the Bible.
There were five five constitpated men
   In the first five books of Moses.Now the cirst first constipated man
   Was Moses. He took the Tablets.
The first, first constipated man
    Was Moses, who took the tablets.
 Th second second constipated man
    Was David;; he sat For seven years!
***********************************I heard Wally Macnow sing it at a Festival that I think was in Massachusetts; 
 he might still remember all the words!I hope you find the whole thing!  I apologize for my forgetfulness.Sam Hinton
La Jolla, CA

I just sent a message on "The Five Constipated Men?"  Did the whole list get it?	Marge -----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]]On
Behalf Of John Mehlberg
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:35 PM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"Hello everyone,Two questions.     1) Who was the Englishman I interview this afternoon?  I was 
unable to get this recorded.
     2) Who left me the song on my home recorder?   It sounds like 
Sandy...You can email me privately at [unmask] or reply to this 
email.Thanks for the help.  Four field recordings in one day.  A record.Yours,John Mehlberg----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dick greenhaus" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"Oops- I meant the tune. I first heard the song ca 1962.dick greenhausJohn Mehlberg wrote:>Hello everyone,
>
>So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
>"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
>with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
>the tune.
>
>Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
>than 1977?
>
>Yours,
>
>John Mehlberg
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
>To: <[unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
>Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
>
>
>Hi,
>The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
>Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
>I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
>aunty Jane
>Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
>recording
>they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
>Boy were
>they embarrassed!
>SteveG
>
>
>
>
>
> 

Hi, John,
I'm in the UK by the way. My oldest was about 5 when he sang it so that
makes it about 1980 and if I remember rightly we'd all just learnt it by
singing it at a local Yorkshire folk festival where it had been performed
by one of the artists. I'll make enquiries to find out the sources. I'd go
along with Jon and say the song is a parody directly from the hymn tune
rather than from Quartermaster, even though I'm not familiar with the hymn.
From what I've read of other postings it sounds like it probably originated
in America rather than over here. I'd certainly not heard it before the
c1980 performances.
Steve

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1) That would have been me. To summarize, I seem to know the same version as
everyone else here, learned from Wally Macnow at Pinewoods Camp (Folk Music
camp that is, not kids' camp!), probably ca. 1980 - might have been earlier.
Same verses as Heather just posted.John RobertsOn 4/21/05 9:34 PM, "John Mehlberg" <[unmask]> wrote:> Hello everyone,
> 
> Two questions.
> 
>    1) Who was the Englishman I interview this afternoon?  I was
> unable to get this recorded.
>    2) Who left me the song on my home recorder?   It sounds like
> Sandy...
> 
> You can email me privately at [unmask] or reply to this
> email.
> 
> Thanks for the help.  Four field recordings in one day.  A record.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> John Mehlberg
> 
> 

On 4/22/05, Paul Stamler wrote:> > From: "Robert B. Waltz" <[unmask]>
>> Date: 2005/04/21 Thu PM 08:47:42 EDT
>> To: [unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Town Names
>>
>> On 4/21/05, edward cray wrote:
>
>> >Bologna and butter on Wonder Bread does not constitute fine cuisine.  Not
>even in Bucksnort.
>>
>> Why do you think they make the home brew? :-)
>
>Y'all don't understand. Bologna is the only thing that makes Wonder Bread
>edible. And vice versa.Yes, but why would anyone *want* to make Wonder Bread edible -- unless
under the influence of home brew? :-)-- 
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

yep.ed----- Original Message -----
From: "Steiner, Margaret" <[unmask]>
Date: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:25 am
Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"> I just sent a message on "The Five Constipated Men?"  Did the whole 
> list get it?
> 
> 	Marge 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forum for ballad scholars [[unmask]]On
> Behalf Of John Mehlberg
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:35 PM
> To: [unmask]
> Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Two questions.
> 
>     1) Who was the Englishman I interview this afternoon?  I was 
> unable to get this recorded.
>     2) Who left me the song on my home recorder?   It sounds like 
> Sandy...
> 
> You can email me privately at [unmask] or reply to this 
> email.
> 
> Thanks for the help.  Four field recordings in one day.  A record.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> John Mehlberg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dick greenhaus" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
> 
> 
> Oops- I meant the tune. I first heard the song ca 1962.
> 
> dick greenhaus
> 
> John Mehlberg wrote:
> 
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
> >"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
> >with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
> >the tune.
> >
> >Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
> >than 1977?
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >John Mehlberg
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
> >To: <[unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
> >Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
> >I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
> >aunty Jane
> >Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
> >recording
> >they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
> >Boy were
> >they embarrassed!
> >SteveG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 

Barbara Millikan, who is having e-mail conflicts with
her internet provider, asked me to forward this
message to the list. Here 'tis:On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:24:23 -0500, Steiner, Margaret
wrote
> I learned it at a Jewish summer camp, and here are
the verses as I 
> know themI first heard this in 1975 or 76, from a Jewish friend
in California, 
(Bay 
Area), only he sang... 
 
 There were five, five constipated men
    In the Torah, in the Torah.
 There were five, five constipated men
    In the five books of Moses.Tune was very similar to the Quartermaster's Store.
Blessings, 
Barbara

Hello everyone,Thanks for singing for me.   Links to your mp3s are listed here:         http://immortalia.com/html/what-s-new.htmPatricia Wells also sang the song to "Quartermaster's Store".
She suspects a different tune is used by Jim Griffith as his text
is different and doesn't scan.   I have sent him an email.Thanks again.Yours,John Mehlberg

According to The New Broadman Hymnal, There is Power in the Blood, 
words and music, was written by Lewis E. Jones in 1899.>Oops- I meant the tune. I first heard the song ca 1962.
>
>dick greenhaus
>
>John Mehlberg wrote:
>
>>Hello everyone,
>>
>>So far three people from ballad-l have all sung this song to
>>"The Quartermaster's Store".     I have an interview tonight
>>with a woman who learned it in 1977-78.  She does not recognise
>>the tune.
>>
>>Steve when did you learn the song?   Anybody have a date earlier
>>than 1977?
>>
>>Yours,
>>
>>John Mehlberg
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gardham" <[unmask]>
>>To: <[unmask]>
>>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: "Five constipated Men of the Bible"
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>The tune I've always heard it sung to is the student song 'The
>>Quartermaster's Store'. Is there another tune?
>>I recently had it put on a homemade CD of my 2 lads and their
>>aunty Jane
>>Sherburn, all aged about 5 some 25 years ago from an old cassette
>>recording
>>they made themselves. They all got a copy as a Christmas present.
>>Boy were
>>they embarrassed!
>>SteveG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
john garst    [unmask]

>Leave that butter at home it is fattening you know.
>Sammy RichSomething I learned when I went north (to Iowa) in 1954: Yankees 
butter the bread when making sandwiches, any kind, as I recall. 
Growing up in Mississippi, I'd never seen that.  Our sandwiches, if 
they need a condiment, used mayonnaise, mustard, or (rarely) ketchup, 
but never butter.J

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Hi!	For all of you constipated folklorists, here is part 1 of this
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Oronogo, Missouri (near Joplin) was a mining boom town which got its name
from the local cathouse, where the prostitutes would tell the potential
customers "Ore, or no go."EdieEdie Gale Hays
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Hi!	While we take a break from unusual town names, here is the
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BALLAD-L automatic digest system <[unmask]>, in
the person of Mark, writes:> A classical example of folk etymology.  Undoubtably Oronogo is
> actually a native American name.Says the judicious & learned George R. Stewart in _American
Place-Names_:  *Oronoco, Oronogo*  A variant spelling of the name of the South
  American river, usually Orinoco.  In MN the name was given by
  settlers who lived on a large river, and were interested in
  developing water power.  *Orinogo* MO is probably another
  variant.  Some of the spellings suggest an origin from Thomas
  Southerne's often-staged tragedy Oroonoko.
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    [unmask]||:  Clowns, not clones.  :||

Well folks I've joined up here several days late... the band released 
its new CD on Wednesday and I haven't really been near a computer since, 
so 150 messages to steam through... most of them constipated.We sang this at school and  for us it was Samson who split his ass-bone, 
which seems to make more sense. Ditto Job who sat for  hours. The other 
verses more or less tally.For those who are interested:Simply English (Andy Rouse, Bulcsú Babarci and Tamás Zajzon) celebrated 
the band's tenth anniversary with a birthday concert and the release of 
their new CD, CANAKINS. We got the date as close as we could to 
Shakespeare's birthday and St. George's Day in a series of Wednesday 
evening concerts with a vaguely folky nature.About half of the songs are related to Shakespeare's dramas. Most of the 
others come from the 16th and 17th centuries. As we are not a 
Renaissance group, they have things done to them - without giving 
everything away, "Back and Sides" includes an acoustic bass guitar, 
while Ophelia's Tomorrow is St. Valentine's Day is given the slide 
guitar treatment and the 16th-c. spoof of the 14th-century romance of 
Sir Eglamour gets a snare-drum. In short, we've had great fun 
simultaneously paying homage and being utterly disrespectful. As usual.
The title come from Iago's song, And Let Me the Canakin Drink. Which 
means, I suppose, that in modern parlance the CD is called Beer Tankards.At the risk of being drubbed for advertising, you can get a CD direct 
from me for 11 Euros + whatever it costs to post. Sorry I can't make it 
less but economies of size make it rather more expensive than buying 
Beethoven's 9th in TESCO. At least this time we managed to afford a full 
16-page booklet with all the words.Time to do some more essay marking... something else that's been pushed 
into the shadows over the past week or so!Andy
 

John Mehlberg wrote:>Hello everyone,
>
>Does anyone on the list sing "Five Constipated Men of the Bible"? 
>If yes, would you mind singing it for me over the phone?  I ask 
>because I believe that there are two tunes for this song.
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Yours,
>
>John Mehlberg
>~
>Afternoons:  314.647.3883
>Evenings:     314.381.0492 
>
>
>  
>
Oh, and John, I'm happy to sing the tune so long as I know when to from 
Hungary!Andy

"And Let Me the Canakin Drink."I think the canakins "Clink" (Othello, Act II, Scene
3).C.

Cliff Abrams wrote:>"And Let Me the Canakin Drink."
>
>I think the canakins "Clink" (Othello, Act II, Scene
>3).
>
>C.
>
>
>  
>
You're absolutely right, and I am pleased to say that they do on the CD 
as well. Just a slip of the keyboard. Why then. let a soldier drink x 2!Andy

Over In NY State there is a dirt road going west from Route 22 named "Rabbit 
College Road".  When I was teaching in NYC and making the round trip twice a 
week, I used to wonder about that every time I passed it.  Come to think of 
it, I used to see the sign every time I went to Indian Neck at Freedman.  I 
don't think I've seen the sign in the last few years; either the road has 
been renamed, or the sign has just been stolen and never replaced, or I 
imagined the whole thing...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susanna Holstein" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Town Names> West Virginia has a rich supply of unusual town names,
> too. My son moved to Gay, WV, and all his brothers
> claim he's "gone Gay." The town actually had a vote a
> few years ago to change the name, but the old-timers
> decided that the name was in place before the new
> definition, and the community would probably outlast
> the new use of the word. I'm not convinced they're
> right, but I like them for sticking with it.
>
> We have lots of bottoms here--my favorites are Youngs
> Bottom and Boomer Bottom. Lots of licks too--Mud Lick,
> Salt Lick, Log Lick. No Lick Bottom that I know of,
> although anything's possible.
>
> Other good names--Big Ugly, Pinch, Quick (last two are
> neighboring communities so their names are together on
> signs), Pickle Street, Romance, Odd, Left Hand....and
> lots more. My favorite road name is Flinderation Road.
> I have no idea of its origins.
>
>
> Granny Sue
> Stories from the Mountains and Beyond
> R2 Box 110
> Sandyville WV 25275
> 304-372-5861
> tollfree 1-866-643-1353
> [unmask]
> 

There's also a Gaysville here in VT...named a long time before the VT 
Supreme Court got into the legislating business...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Garst" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Town Names> >My son moved to Gay, WV, and all his brothers
>>claim he's "gone Gay." The town actually had a vote a
>>few years ago to change the name, but the old-timers
>>decided that the name was in place before the new
>>definition, and the community would probably outlast
>>the new use of the word....
>>
>>Granny Sue
>
> There is also Gay, GA, and I don't know whether or not they have 
> considered a name change.
>
> J
> 

The mention of Wooloomooloo reminded me of a song I heard in a London pub in 
early 1975, I think.  I was visiting with Tom Paley and we were upstairs at 
a pub for a folk club get-together.  A young Australian guy sung a song that 
started "Oh, my name it is McCarty and I am a rowdy party; I'm a 
(something) as a (something)kangaroo". Each stanza ended with the name of 
the town.
Another stanza ended with a reference to McCarty's father, saying, "But one 
thing I owe to him/Is he taught me how to swim/When he threw me off the pier 
at Wooloomooloo"... Does anybody out there know the song?  Possible to send 
me the words?  (As might be guessed, my blood alcohol content that evening 
interfered with my usual razor-sharp photographic memory, and the above is 
all I can remember of a song that really beguiled me.
Thanks in advance...
Roy Berkeley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Fahey" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA> here's just a few from our side of the world.
>
> WET BEAVER CREEK
> MIDDLE INTERCOURSE ISLAND
> CHINAMAN'S KNOB
> TITTY BONG
> COCKBURN
> DUNNYDOO
> FUKING
> IRON KNOB
> MOUNT MEE
> BAGDAG
> BANG BANG JUMP UP
> BURRUMBUTTOCK
> CAPE CATASTROPHE
> COME-BY-CHANCE
> WOY WOY
> WAGGA WAGGA
> (oddly enough we Australians will call Wagga Wagga 'Wagga' but we never 
> say 'Woy' - it is always Woy Woy)
> BONG BONG
> USELESS LOOP
> UNNAMED (yep, that's the name)
> HELL'S GATE
> INNALOO (a loo in Australia is a toilet)
> KOOLYANOBBING
> CADIBARRAWIRRACANNA
> NAR NAR GOON
> POOWONG
> BEVERLEY HILLS
> TEXAS
> PARIS
> WYOMING
> GUNBARREL HIGHWAY
> GRONG GRONG
> DOOTOWN
> GOONOO GOONOO (pronounced gunna g'noo)
> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
> TOOWOOMBA
>
> In relation to the last two I'd like to ask the forum if many towns with 
> difficult names have sung traditional rhymes to teach people how to spell 
> them?
>
> eg: Wooloomooloo (an inner Sydney suburb close to where I live at Potts 
> Point) is an old suburb (200 years) and is obviously an Aboriginal word
>
> The oldtimers used to sing:
>
> W DOUBLE O DOUBLE L O M DOUBLE O L DOUBLE O
> I BET YOU A DOLLAR THERE ISN'T A SCHOLAR CAN SPELL
> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
> REPEAT
> 

 WOOLLOOMOOLOO LAIROn the day that I was born, it was a cold & a frosty morn,
In the famous suburb known as Woolloomooloo.
It was down in Riley Street my folks first heard me bleat
'Cause at the time I'd nothing else to do.
Oh me mother died of fright when she saw me in the light
And my father thought he'd send me to the zoo,
But I owe a lot to him, 'cause he taught me how to swim,
When he heaved me off the pier at Woolloomooloocho: Oh my name it is McCarty & I'm a rorty party
I'm rough & tough as an old man kangaroo
Some people say I'm crazy, I don't work because I'm lazy
And I tag along in the boozing throng, the Push from Woolloomooloo.And when I was just a lad I went straight'way to the bad
A larrikin so hard, you'd strike me blue
But the government was kind and they didn't seem to mind
And in Darlinghurst I spent a night or two.
Now the judge gave me a stare and he said, "You're a lair"
They heaved me into Darlinghurst gaol - you understand
They gave me clothes, they cut my hair, I didn't seem to care
And every night you'd find me in the van.And I spent some years in gaol till I began to quail
I resolved to live upon a different lay
And enlisted in the ranks of the Salvation Army 'cranks'
You can bet I made the bloody business pay!
Well hallelujah! I'm a lout I knows me way about
I kids the mugs that I'm converted too
All the lassies there I mash and I'm never short of cash
'Cause I beats me drum all over Woolloomooloo.Note: In the early days in Sydney a "push" was a street gang. The term
has not been in use much this century. The word derives from the German
Putsch which roughly means riot, unruly crowd etc.
The Bushwackers recorded this song twice. If you have the first
version from "A Shearer's Dream" have a listen to the percussion -
lagerphone & spoons. One of the things I play in a bush band is a
lagerphone & seeing me name's Foster it's the only genuine Fosters's
Lagerphone in existence.
Sorry, the joke probably falls flat outside Oz. AFThis is from Mudcat.Jon Bartlett----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Berkeley" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA> The mention of Wooloomooloo reminded me of a song I heard in a London pub 
> in early 1975, I think.  I was visiting with Tom Paley and we were 
> upstairs at a pub for a folk club get-together.  A young Australian guy 
> sung a song that started "Oh, my name it is McCarty and I am a rowdy 
> party; I'm a (something) as a (something)kangaroo". Each stanza ended with 
> the name of the town.
> Another stanza ended with a reference to McCarty's father, saying, "But 
> one thing I owe to him/Is he taught me how to swim/When he threw me off 
> the pier at Wooloomooloo"... Does anybody out there know the song? 
> Possible to send me the words?  (As might be guessed, my blood alcohol 
> content that evening interfered with my usual razor-sharp photographic 
> memory, and the above is all I can remember of a song that really beguiled 
> me.
> Thanks in advance...
> Roy Berkeley
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren Fahey" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:32 PM
> Subject: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA
>
>
>> here's just a few from our side of the world.
>>
>> WET BEAVER CREEK
>> MIDDLE INTERCOURSE ISLAND
>> CHINAMAN'S KNOB
>> TITTY BONG
>> COCKBURN
>> DUNNYDOO
>> FUKING
>> IRON KNOB
>> MOUNT MEE
>> BAGDAG
>> BANG BANG JUMP UP
>> BURRUMBUTTOCK
>> CAPE CATASTROPHE
>> COME-BY-CHANCE
>> WOY WOY
>> WAGGA WAGGA
>> (oddly enough we Australians will call Wagga Wagga 'Wagga' but we never 
>> say 'Woy' - it is always Woy Woy)
>> BONG BONG
>> USELESS LOOP
>> UNNAMED (yep, that's the name)
>> HELL'S GATE
>> INNALOO (a loo in Australia is a toilet)
>> KOOLYANOBBING
>> CADIBARRAWIRRACANNA
>> NAR NAR GOON
>> POOWONG
>> BEVERLEY HILLS
>> TEXAS
>> PARIS
>> WYOMING
>> GUNBARREL HIGHWAY
>> GRONG GRONG
>> DOOTOWN
>> GOONOO GOONOO (pronounced gunna g'noo)
>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
>> TOOWOOMBA
>>
>> In relation to the last two I'd like to ask the forum if many towns with 
>> difficult names have sung traditional rhymes to teach people how to spell 
>> them?
>>
>> eg: Wooloomooloo (an inner Sydney suburb close to where I live at Potts 
>> Point) is an old suburb (200 years) and is obviously an Aboriginal word
>>
>> The oldtimers used to sing:
>>
>> W DOUBLE O DOUBLE L O M DOUBLE O L DOUBLE O
>> I BET YOU A DOLLAR THERE ISN'T A SCHOLAR CAN SPELL
>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
>> REPEAT
>> 

Thank you *VERY* much!
Roy Berkeley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Bartlett" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA> WOOLLOOMOOLOO LAIR
>
> On the day that I was born, it was a cold & a frosty morn,
> In the famous suburb known as Woolloomooloo.
> It was down in Riley Street my folks first heard me bleat
> 'Cause at the time I'd nothing else to do.
> Oh me mother died of fright when she saw me in the light
> And my father thought he'd send me to the zoo,
> But I owe a lot to him, 'cause he taught me how to swim,
> When he heaved me off the pier at Woolloomooloo
>
> cho: Oh my name it is McCarty & I'm a rorty party
> I'm rough & tough as an old man kangaroo
> Some people say I'm crazy, I don't work because I'm lazy
> And I tag along in the boozing throng, the Push from Woolloomooloo.
>
> And when I was just a lad I went straight'way to the bad
> A larrikin so hard, you'd strike me blue
> But the government was kind and they didn't seem to mind
> And in Darlinghurst I spent a night or two.
> Now the judge gave me a stare and he said, "You're a lair"
> They heaved me into Darlinghurst gaol - you understand
> They gave me clothes, they cut my hair, I didn't seem to care
> And every night you'd find me in the van.
>
> And I spent some years in gaol till I began to quail
> I resolved to live upon a different lay
> And enlisted in the ranks of the Salvation Army 'cranks'
> You can bet I made the bloody business pay!
> Well hallelujah! I'm a lout I knows me way about
> I kids the mugs that I'm converted too
> All the lassies there I mash and I'm never short of cash
> 'Cause I beats me drum all over Woolloomooloo.
>
> Note: In the early days in Sydney a "push" was a street gang. The term
> has not been in use much this century. The word derives from the German
> Putsch which roughly means riot, unruly crowd etc.
> The Bushwackers recorded this song twice. If you have the first
> version from "A Shearer's Dream" have a listen to the percussion -
> lagerphone & spoons. One of the things I play in a bush band is a
> lagerphone & seeing me name's Foster it's the only genuine Fosters's
> Lagerphone in existence.
> Sorry, the joke probably falls flat outside Oz. AF
>
> This is from Mudcat.
>
> Jon Bartlett
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roy Berkeley" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA
>
>
>> The mention of Wooloomooloo reminded me of a song I heard in a London pub 
>> in early 1975, I think.  I was visiting with Tom Paley and we were 
>> upstairs at a pub for a folk club get-together.  A young Australian guy 
>> sung a song that started "Oh, my name it is McCarty and I am a rowdy 
>> party; I'm a (something) as a (something)kangaroo". Each stanza ended 
>> with the name of the town.
>> Another stanza ended with a reference to McCarty's father, saying, "But 
>> one thing I owe to him/Is he taught me how to swim/When he threw me off 
>> the pier at Wooloomooloo"... Does anybody out there know the song? 
>> Possible to send me the words?  (As might be guessed, my blood alcohol 
>> content that evening interfered with my usual razor-sharp photographic 
>> memory, and the above is all I can remember of a song that really 
>> beguiled me.
>> Thanks in advance...
>> Roy Berkeley
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Warren Fahey" <[unmask]>
>> To: <[unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:32 PM
>> Subject: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA
>>
>>
>>> here's just a few from our side of the world.
>>>
>>> WET BEAVER CREEK
>>> MIDDLE INTERCOURSE ISLAND
>>> CHINAMAN'S KNOB
>>> TITTY BONG
>>> COCKBURN
>>> DUNNYDOO
>>> FUKING
>>> IRON KNOB
>>> MOUNT MEE
>>> BAGDAG
>>> BANG BANG JUMP UP
>>> BURRUMBUTTOCK
>>> CAPE CATASTROPHE
>>> COME-BY-CHANCE
>>> WOY WOY
>>> WAGGA WAGGA
>>> (oddly enough we Australians will call Wagga Wagga 'Wagga' but we never 
>>> say 'Woy' - it is always Woy Woy)
>>> BONG BONG
>>> USELESS LOOP
>>> UNNAMED (yep, that's the name)
>>> HELL'S GATE
>>> INNALOO (a loo in Australia is a toilet)
>>> KOOLYANOBBING
>>> CADIBARRAWIRRACANNA
>>> NAR NAR GOON
>>> POOWONG
>>> BEVERLEY HILLS
>>> TEXAS
>>> PARIS
>>> WYOMING
>>> GUNBARREL HIGHWAY
>>> GRONG GRONG
>>> DOOTOWN
>>> GOONOO GOONOO (pronounced gunna g'noo)
>>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
>>> TOOWOOMBA
>>>
>>> In relation to the last two I'd like to ask the forum if many towns with 
>>> difficult names have sung traditional rhymes to teach people how to 
>>> spell them?
>>>
>>> eg: Wooloomooloo (an inner Sydney suburb close to where I live at Potts 
>>> Point) is an old suburb (200 years) and is obviously an Aboriginal word
>>>
>>> The oldtimers used to sing:
>>>
>>> W DOUBLE O DOUBLE L O M DOUBLE O L DOUBLE O
>>> I BET YOU A DOLLAR THERE ISN'T A SCHOLAR CAN SPELL
>>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
>>> REPEAT
>>>
> 

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Drove through one today on my way to a handmade musical instrument festival 
at Marylhurst College in the southern end of Portland, Oregon: there's a 
junction on
the map south of Lake Oswego called Wanker's Corner.
(Home of the Wanker family Country Store)
Oregon also has
Boring,
Drain,
Liberal... and, oh, all the usual suspects. Sublimity, Amity...
Blessings,
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Can anyone suggest melodies or analogues for these songs from an eighteenth
century ballad opera?  The first one looks as if it should go to Turpin Hero,
but it doesn't fit the version I know:1) Dogs a-barking, men a-shouting;
Warrener weeping, grinning, pouting;
Women and boys a-laughing, flouting;
   Oh brave boys of Charley, oh!2) Lawyers, biters, bailiffs came,
   Informers, to get money;
With two blue beagles, and a long dog,
   A-hunting of the coney.('A-hunting of the coney' sounds like a song from D'Urfey but I couldn't find it
there; here it really does mean 'rabbit')3) In the rat-trap, pent like mice,
Catching rabbits, fleas and lice,
   Lodging on the ground.
Bread three-halfpence, store of water,
Surly jailors sooner or later
   Bring their stomachs down.Gerald Porter

It's a reasonably nice fit to "Rakes of Mallow"Gerald Porter wrote:>Can anyone suggest melodies or analogues for these songs from an eighteenth
>century ballad opera?  The first one looks as if it should go to Turpin Hero,
>but it doesn't fit the version I know:
>
>1) Dogs a-barking, men a-shouting;
>Warrener weeping, grinning, pouting;
>Women and boys a-laughing, flouting;
>   Oh brave boys of Charley, oh!
>
>2) Lawyers, biters, bailiffs came,
>   Informers, to get money;
>With two blue beagles, and a long dog,
>   A-hunting of the coney.
>
>('A-hunting of the coney' sounds like a song from D'Urfey but I couldn't find it
>there; here it really does mean 'rabbit')
>
>3) In the rat-trap, pent like mice,
>Catching rabbits, fleas and lice,
>   Lodging on the ground.
>Bread three-halfpence, store of water,
>Surly jailors sooner or later
>   Bring their stomachs down.
>
>Gerald Porter
>
>
>  
>

What ballad opera are these texts from? They're clearly parodies of known 
songs, but the first lines don't show up in our index of ballad operas. 
It'll take some digging to find the tunes.Kate Van Winkle Keller
www.colonialmusic.org----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Porter" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:17 AM
Subject: 18thc airs> Can anyone suggest melodies or analogues for these songs from an 
> eighteenth
> century ballad opera?  The first one looks as if it should go to Turpin 
> Hero,
> but it doesn't fit the version I know:
>
> 1) Dogs a-barking, men a-shouting;
> Warrener weeping, grinning, pouting;
> Women and boys a-laughing, flouting;
>   Oh brave boys of Charley, oh!
>
> 2) Lawyers, biters, bailiffs came,
>   Informers, to get money;
> With two blue beagles, and a long dog,
>   A-hunting of the coney.
>
> ('A-hunting of the coney' sounds like a song from D'Urfey but I couldn't 
> find it
> there; here it really does mean 'rabbit')
>
> 3) In the rat-trap, pent like mice,
> Catching rabbits, fleas and lice,
>   Lodging on the ground.
> Bread three-halfpence, store of water,
> Surly jailors sooner or later
>   Bring their stomachs down.
>
> Gerald Porter
> 

For any of the members of Ballad-L, I will forward you a copy of this 1839 document "Extracted from a Review of "The Ancient Ballads and Songs of the North of Scotland."  in the "Paisley Magazine" for December 1828. Edited by the Late William Motherwell, Esq.Please reply off-list to:  [unmask]Thanks for all of the information shared on Ballad-L.  I have said before, my eyes have been peeled way back from lurking these e-mails, this is a way of saying thanks. Sammy Rich

The Woolloomooloo Lair is a song I collected from Mrs Colley of 
Bathurst NSW. Good too. Mrs Colley had over 50 songs in her repertoire 
and was a wonderful concertina player.
warren faheyOn 25/04/2005, at 8:41 AM, Roy Berkeley wrote:> Thank you *VERY* much!
> Roy Berkeley
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Bartlett" 
> <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:35 PM
> Subject: Re: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA
>
>
>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO LAIR
>>
>> On the day that I was born, it was a cold & a frosty morn,
>> In the famous suburb known as Woolloomooloo.
>> It was down in Riley Street my folks first heard me bleat
>> 'Cause at the time I'd nothing else to do.
>> Oh me mother died of fright when she saw me in the light
>> And my father thought he'd send me to the zoo,
>> But I owe a lot to him, 'cause he taught me how to swim,
>> When he heaved me off the pier at Woolloomooloo
>>
>> cho: Oh my name it is McCarty & I'm a rorty party
>> I'm rough & tough as an old man kangaroo
>> Some people say I'm crazy, I don't work because I'm lazy
>> And I tag along in the boozing throng, the Push from Woolloomooloo.
>>
>> And when I was just a lad I went straight'way to the bad
>> A larrikin so hard, you'd strike me blue
>> But the government was kind and they didn't seem to mind
>> And in Darlinghurst I spent a night or two.
>> Now the judge gave me a stare and he said, "You're a lair"
>> They heaved me into Darlinghurst gaol - you understand
>> They gave me clothes, they cut my hair, I didn't seem to care
>> And every night you'd find me in the van.
>>
>> And I spent some years in gaol till I began to quail
>> I resolved to live upon a different lay
>> And enlisted in the ranks of the Salvation Army 'cranks'
>> You can bet I made the bloody business pay!
>> Well hallelujah! I'm a lout I knows me way about
>> I kids the mugs that I'm converted too
>> All the lassies there I mash and I'm never short of cash
>> 'Cause I beats me drum all over Woolloomooloo.
>>
>> Note: In the early days in Sydney a "push" was a street gang. The term
>> has not been in use much this century. The word derives from the 
>> German
>> Putsch which roughly means riot, unruly crowd etc.
>> The Bushwackers recorded this song twice. If you have the first
>> version from "A Shearer's Dream" have a listen to the percussion -
>> lagerphone & spoons. One of the things I play in a bush band is a
>> lagerphone & seeing me name's Foster it's the only genuine Fosters's
>> Lagerphone in existence.
>> Sorry, the joke probably falls flat outside Oz. AF
>>
>> This is from Mudcat.
>>
>> Jon Bartlett
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Berkeley" 
>> <[unmask]>
>> To: <[unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA
>>
>>
>>> The mention of Wooloomooloo reminded me of a song I heard in a 
>>> London pub in early 1975, I think.  I was visiting with Tom Paley 
>>> and we were upstairs at a pub for a folk club get-together.  A young 
>>> Australian guy sung a song that started "Oh, my name it is McCarty 
>>> and I am a rowdy party; I'm a (something) as a (something)kangaroo". 
>>> Each stanza ended with the name of the town.
>>> Another stanza ended with a reference to McCarty's father, saying, 
>>> "But one thing I owe to him/Is he taught me how to swim/When he 
>>> threw me off the pier at Wooloomooloo"... Does anybody out there 
>>> know the song? Possible to send me the words?  (As might be guessed, 
>>> my blood alcohol content that evening interfered with my usual 
>>> razor-sharp photographic memory, and the above is all I can remember 
>>> of a song that really beguiled me.
>>> Thanks in advance...
>>> Roy Berkeley
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Fahey" 
>>> <[unmask]>
>>> To: <[unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:32 PM
>>> Subject: SO YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WEIRD PLACE NAMES? TRY AUSTRALIA
>>>
>>>
>>>> here's just a few from our side of the world.
>>>>
>>>> WET BEAVER CREEK
>>>> MIDDLE INTERCOURSE ISLAND
>>>> CHINAMAN'S KNOB
>>>> TITTY BONG
>>>> COCKBURN
>>>> DUNNYDOO
>>>> FUKING
>>>> IRON KNOB
>>>> MOUNT MEE
>>>> BAGDAG
>>>> BANG BANG JUMP UP
>>>> BURRUMBUTTOCK
>>>> CAPE CATASTROPHE
>>>> COME-BY-CHANCE
>>>> WOY WOY
>>>> WAGGA WAGGA
>>>> (oddly enough we Australians will call Wagga Wagga 'Wagga' but we 
>>>> never say 'Woy' - it is always Woy Woy)
>>>> BONG BONG
>>>> USELESS LOOP
>>>> UNNAMED (yep, that's the name)
>>>> HELL'S GATE
>>>> INNALOO (a loo in Australia is a toilet)
>>>> KOOLYANOBBING
>>>> CADIBARRAWIRRACANNA
>>>> NAR NAR GOON
>>>> POOWONG
>>>> BEVERLEY HILLS
>>>> TEXAS
>>>> PARIS
>>>> WYOMING
>>>> GUNBARREL HIGHWAY
>>>> GRONG GRONG
>>>> DOOTOWN
>>>> GOONOO GOONOO (pronounced gunna g'noo)
>>>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
>>>> TOOWOOMBA
>>>>
>>>> In relation to the last two I'd like to ask the forum if many towns 
>>>> with difficult names have sung traditional rhymes to teach people 
>>>> how to spell them?
>>>>
>>>> eg: Wooloomooloo (an inner Sydney suburb close to where I live at 
>>>> Potts Point) is an old suburb (200 years) and is obviously an 
>>>> Aboriginal word
>>>>
>>>> The oldtimers used to sing:
>>>>
>>>> W DOUBLE O DOUBLE L O M DOUBLE O L DOUBLE O
>>>> I BET YOU A DOLLAR THERE ISN'T A SCHOLAR CAN SPELL
>>>> WOOLLOOMOOLOO
>>>> REPEAT
>>>>
>

Quoting Kate Van Winkle Keller <[unmask]>:> What ballad opera are these texts from? They're clearly parodies of known
> songs, but the first lines don't show up in our index of ballad operas.
> It'll take some digging to find the tunes.
>
> Kate Van Winkle Keller>
> www.colonialmusic.org
>
The opera is the anti-enclosure Charnwood Opera of 1753, currently being
prepared for publication (part of it has already appeared in Roy Palmer's
Ballad History of England, and part in W. E. Tate's The English Village and the
Enclosure Movements (1967). For the first example I didn't cite the first
lines, instead choosing a stanza I thought would be easier to recognise. The
first lines are:
Warrener crouching to his Master:
Rabbits breeding thicker and faster,
Eating up the common pasture!
   Oh brave boys of Charley, oh!Gerald Porter> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald Porter" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:17 AM
> Subject: 18thc airs
>
>
> > Can anyone suggest melodies or analogues for these songs from an
> > eighteenth
> > century ballad opera?  The first one looks as if it should go to Turpin
> > Hero,
> > but it doesn't fit the version I know:
> >
> > 1) Dogs a-barking, men a-shouting;
> > Warrener weeping, grinning, pouting;
> > Women and boys a-laughing, flouting;
> >   Oh brave boys of Charley, oh!
> >
> > 2) Lawyers, biters, bailiffs came,
> >   Informers, to get money;
> > With two blue beagles, and a long dog,
> >   A-hunting of the coney.
> >
> > ('A-hunting of the coney' sounds like a song from D'Urfey but I couldn't
> > find it
> > there; here it really does mean 'rabbit')> 3) In the rat-trap, pent like mice,
> Catching rabbits, fleas and lice,
>   Lodging on the ground.
> Bread three-halfpence, store of water,
> Surly jailors sooner or later
>   Bring their stomachs down.
>
> Gerald Porter
>