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Has anyone know this very melodic ballad?  It has a recurring verse of
"She's the earl of March's daughter/ and the flooer of ---/ but the humble
squire of Tushielaw/ has ta'en her heart awa'"  I have a good part of it
on tape (from Keith, outside of Aberdeen in 2003) and a friend who was at
Keith a few years earlier is haunted by the same song, which she remembers
a "Garrick MacPherson" singing.  I can't find the ballad in Child or in
the Grieg-Duncan Folk Song Collection, but I can't believe it doesn't have
a history -- and that somebody out there can't help me with missing words.
(Maybe you, Jack?  Thanks for the welcome back, and no, I didn't know my
photo was on your website.)

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Yes, the Sir Walter Scott story fits (in fact, Peebles is mentioned), but
I'm still looking for the ballad words.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Lepley" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: 27 February 2005 19:49
Subject: Ballad of Tushielaw> Yes, the Sir Walter Scott story fits (in fact, Peebles is mentioned), but
> I'm still looking for the ballad words.Both Scott and Thomas Campbell wrote poems based on the story, neither of which contain the lines
quoted; Scott's appears in Christie's 'Traditional Ballad Airs' (II, 272-3), set to the air of 'The
Privateering.' 'The Maid of Neidpath' is supposed to be Jane Douglas, born 1705, and her ghost
allegedly remains at the castle.I find a reference to an earlier story, this time involving Elizabeth Douglas, "daughter of the Earl
of March, [who] was betrothed to [ ] heir of King Robert III of Scotland, but fell in love with the
son of a border chieftain, young Scott of Tushielaw. Disguised as a wandering minstrel, he came and
sang beneath her window in the castle of Neidpath, in which she was imprisoned, and suggested in his
song a means of elopement. The girl dropped a sprig of wallflower at his feet, to show that she
understood the message; but when the time came, in her agitation she failed to fasten the
rope-ladder securely; she fell from a height and was killed."(http://www.tartans.com/)No source is given for the account. At the moment, I'd guess that the song in question is a modern
piece based on one or other of the stories. 'Earl O' Marches Daughter' appears on a record by 'Gan
Canny' (singer, Garrick MacPherson), '9 Hours In Auld Reekie' (http://www.moidartmusic.com/57.htm).Malcolm Douglas

A couple of corrections to my previous. I mis-typed "Jane" Douglas, which should have been Jean;
though Scott calls her Mary. and Campbell, Ellen! Heaven knows which (if any) is right. The history
of the Douglas Family is one of byzantine complexity and not a little myth.I also inadvertently called Garrick MacPherson's band "Gan Canny", presumably because I ran into a
chap from the North East of England last night who says it all the time; that should have been "Ca
Canny".Malcolm Douglas

So far in my travels I have come up with two 17th century ones- both
dates a bit fuzzy....Anyone know any earlier? (there are a few other Psalmlike/sermon ones
but not ballads exactly)1663-1664
The Loyal Subject (as it is reason)
Drinks Good Sack and is Free from TreasonCome let's drink the time invites,
Winter and cold weather,
for to pass away long nights,
And to keep good wits together;
Better far than Cards or Dice,
Or Isaac's Balls that quaint Device,
made up of Fan and feather,Of grand Actions on the Seas,
We will ne'er be jealous,
Give us Liquor that will please,
and will make us braver fellows
Than the bold Venetian Fleet,
When the Turks and they do meet,
within the Dardonellows.Mahomet was no Divine,
But a senseless Widgeon,
To forbid the use of Wine
unto those of his Religion;
false sickness was his shame,
And his Throne shall have the blame,
for all his whispering Pidgeon,Valentia that famous Town,
and the French-mens wonder,
Water it imploy'd to drown,
and to cut their Traps asunder;
Turene cast a helpless look,
Whilst the crafty Spaniards took,
La-Ferta and his Plunder,Therefore Water we disdain,
Mankinds adversary,
Once it caus'd the worlds whole frame
in a Deluge to miscarry;
Nay the Enemies of Joy,
Seek with Cavy to destroy,
And murder good Canary.Sack's the Princes surest Guard,
if he would but try it,
No rebellion e'r was heard,
where the Subjects  soundly ply it,
And three Constables at most,
Are enough to quell an host,
that thus disturb our quiet.Drink about your full brim Bowls,
See there be no Shrinking,
For to quench your thirsty Souls,
we of Protests are not thinking,
But a way we will devise
How to make our colours rise,
and Noses rich with drinkingCause the rubies to appear
in their Orient Lustre,
Pottle Pots bring up the Rear,
for our forces we must muster,
Senior Gallon leads the Van,
He hath taken many a man,
and downs them on a Cluster,Sack it doth inspire the Will,
Though the Brain be muddy,
Some that ne'r knew nothing yet,
by it's vertue falls to Study;
He that tipples up good Sack,
Finds sound Marrow in the Back,
that's wholsom for the Belly.All the faculties of Man,
Are inriched by this Treasure,
He that First this Bowl began,
let him give to all his measure:
Sack is like Aetherial fire,
Which doth kindle new desire,
to do a woman Pleasure.Sack doth make the Spirit bold,
'tis like the Muses Nectar,
Some that Silent tongues did hold,
now can speak a learned Lecture,
By the flowing of the Tub,
They can break Alcidds Club,
and take the Crown from Hector.We ne'r covet to be Rich,
With Commerse or Trading,
Nor have we no zealous Itch,
Though our quondam means is fading,
But our Revels and our Store
And Wits, is how to get more
good Sack, and tha's our lading.We that drink good Sack in Plate,
To make us blithe and jolly,
Never Plot against the State,
To be punish'd for such folly,
But the merry Glass and Pipe,
Makes our Senses quick and ripe,
and expels Melancholly.See the Squibs, and hear the Bells
the fifth day of November,
The Preacher a sad Story tells,
And with horror doth remember,
how some dry-braind traitors wrought
Plots, that would to ruine brought,
both king and every Member.We that drink, have no such thoughts,
blind and void of Reason.
We take care to fill our Vaults,
With good Wine at every season,
And with many a cheerful Cup,
We blow one another up,
and that's our only Treason.-Crouch, E. London; Coles, F. London; Vere, T. London; Wright, J. London
1663 and 1674 Imprint: London, Printed by E.C. for F. Coles, T. Vere and
J. Wright 4o Rawl. 566(84)1667-1673
A SongOf Catesby, Faux, and Garnet,
     a story I'le you tell-a,
And of a Rare Plott,
     ne're to be forgott,
And eke how it befell-a.All on the 4th of November, 1605
     the Papists they had a drift-a
Quite to destroy
     brave England's joy,
And to blow it all up on the fifth-a.Soe many Barrells of Gunpowder,
     the like was never seen-a,
That eke that match
     had chanc'd to catch,
Good Lord, where should we all have been-a?Why we should all have been slaine outright,
     for marke what these varlets had don- a,
They had sett so many Barrells
     to decide all our Quarrells,
Nay they had don't as sure as a Gun-a. [done itO Varlets that esteeme noe more
     3 Kingdoms than 3 shillings!
It were a Good deed
     to hang 'm with Speed,-
Oh out uppon them Villaines!But now these Papists their designs
     we care not for a louse-a;
For fit as it was,
     it soe came to passe
The the Plot was blown up, not the house-a.For our King he went to the Parliament
     to meet his Noble Peers-a;
But if he had knowne
     where he should have been blown,
He durst not have gon for his Eares-a.Then, "Powder I smell," quothe our gracious King
     (now our King was an excellent smeller);
And lowder and lowder,
     quoth the King, "I smell powder";
And downe he run into the Cellar.And when he came the Cellar into,
     and was the danger amid-a,
He found that the traine
     had not been in vaine,
Had he not come downe as he did-a.Then the Noble-men that there stood by
     and heard the words of the King-a,-
"Ah, my Soul, if the Fire
     had come a little higher,
'Twould have made vs all flye without wings-a!No tune cited in MS.London, British Library, Additional MS 18220   (BLa20)
Of Catesby Faux and Garnet   BLa20*161  (f. 125r-v)
Manuscript 18220
POLITICAL and other poems, epigrams, etc., with a few pieces in prose,
collected by John Watson, apparently during the years 1667-1673,although
some of the pieces have earlier dates. The names of the persons from
whom he obtained them are noted at the end of the several compositions.
On the fly-leaf is the note, "Jo. Watson. Ex dono D?Barb. Rhodes, vidu?
Mri Joan. Rhodes, Decemb. 5, 1667," Paper.
Octavo [Add. 18,220.]--
@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@
Looking through my bedroom window, out into the moonlight and the
uneding smoke-colored snow,
I could see the lights in the windows of all the other houses on our
hill and hear the music rising from them
up the long, steadily falling night. I turned the gas down, I got into
bed. I said some words to the
close and holy darkness, and then I slept!-Dylan Thomas
####################################################################

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I am looking at the book "My Very First Mother Goose" -- really my  
grandson's --  edited by Iona Opie Illustrated by Rosemary Wells  
Candelwick Press Cambridge MA 1996
Opie has "puffer-billies" all in a rowGeorge
George F Madaus
Professor Emeritus
Boston College
On Feb, 28, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Norm Cohen wrote:> That's interesting; I always thought (from my long-gone youth) that it  
> was
> "pufferbellies," which made perfect sense for a steam locomotive.
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From:  P & VJ Thorpe
> To: [unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Pufferbillies
>
> Me too - about the same time in UK.
> ?
> Of course, Puffy Billy was the name of a locomotive built in 1814 for  
> colliery work near Newcastle-upon-Tyne in England.
> ?
> Peter Thorpe?
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Heather Wood
> To: [unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Pufferbillies
>
> In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:15:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
> [unmask] writes:
> Does anyone know the history of Pufferbillies?? Is it an American song?
> ? When did it first appear in print?
>
> Down at the station house early in the morning
> See the little Pufferbillies all in a row
> See the station master pull a little handle
> Chug, chug, choo, choo
> Off we go
> I knew it early in life (i.e., 1950s). see  
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolradio/earlylearning/ 
> listenandplay_autumn04_prog04.shtml
> ?
> Heather Wood

Jean - it would help a great deal if you posted the words you can make out.Murray Shoolbraid

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Hi-
The 2-CD set costs $25. Recording is good, and the singers (in
Aussie-flavored English) are quite easy to understand.
dick greenhaus
CAMSCO MusicAndy Rouse wrote:>Dear Dick,
>
>I'd be intersted in a) the price but b) mostly how easy it is to
>distinguisah WHAT is being sung, as I would be partially obtaining them
>for use at university with non-native (if advanced) students.
>
>Andy
>
>dick greenhaus wrote:
>
>
>>A long time ago (and probably in another galaxy) several list members
>>asked me to obrain a 2-CD set  of field recordings fro, Australia called
>>"Sharing the Harvest."  When I ordered them, they were unavailable.
>>
>>Some finally arrived. If you want a set, please E-mail me at
>>[unmask] or call me at (800) 548-FOLK (3655)
>>
>>They sound good.
>>
>>dick greenhaus
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Folks:This update just in from Rhoda Goldstein about her mother:Dear Friends,
   Just a quick update to let you know my mom was finally discharged to the
rehab facility on Saturday evening.  She is eating and breathing on her own
and has considerable use of her upper body.  They are working her hard at
the rehab, from 9am to 4pm every day.  Her spirits continue to be amazing.
She can now talk on the phone after 4:45 pm - - Her phone # is 610-251-4537.
  She is at Bryn Mawr Rehab in Malvern, PA and will probably be there at
least 2-3 weeks.
Take care and thanks for everyone's emails and good wishes.  They keep her
going.
RhodaEdP.S.:  Other papers please copy.

Then you've got yourself a buyer. How do I pay? Cheques are an unknown
quantity and cost more than the amount on them. Do you have an account I
can transfer to? I know Dave Eyre uses something on the internet to
minimse costs, but I've never had occasion myself. Of course, I could
slip the cash in an envelope and hope.Andydick greenhaus wrote:
>
> Hi-
> The 2-CD set costs $25. Recording is good, and the singers (in
> Aussie-flavored English) are quite easy to understand.
> dick greenhaus
> CAMSCO Music
>
> Andy Rouse wrote:
>
> >Dear Dick,
> >
> >I'd be intersted in a) the price but b) mostly how easy it is to
> >distinguisah WHAT is being sung, as I would be partially obtaining them
> >for use at university with non-native (if advanced) students.
> >
> >Andy
> >
> >dick greenhaus wrote:
> >
> >
> >>A long time ago (and probably in another galaxy) several list members
> >>asked me to obrain a 2-CD set  of field recordings fro, Australia called
> >>"Sharing the Harvest."  When I ordered them, they were unavailable.
> >>
> >>Some finally arrived. If you want a set, please E-mail me at
> >>[unmask] or call me at (800) 548-FOLK (3655)
> >>
> >>They sound good.
> >>
> >>dick greenhaus
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >

Hi-
The internet thing is called PayPal; you can access it at paypal.com
I take VISA and Master cards. If you prefer cheques, I'll give you a UK
address to send it to--it's difficult for me to cash cheques in anything
but US dollars.And, of course, I'll need an address to which to send it.dick greenhaus
CAMSCO MusicAndy Rouse wrote:>Then you've got yourself a buyer. How do I pay? Cheques are an unknown
>quantity and cost more than the amount on them. Do you have an account I
>can transfer to? I know Dave Eyre uses something on the internet to
>minimse costs, but I've never had occasion myself. Of course, I could
>slip the cash in an envelope and hope.
>
>Andy
>
>dick greenhaus wrote:
>
>
>>Hi-
>>The 2-CD set costs $25. Recording is good, and the singers (in
>>Aussie-flavored English) are quite easy to understand.
>>dick greenhaus
>>CAMSCO Music
>>
>>Andy Rouse wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Dear Dick,
>>>
>>>I'd be intersted in a) the price but b) mostly how easy it is to
>>>distinguisah WHAT is being sung, as I would be partially obtaining them
>>>for use at university with non-native (if advanced) students.
>>>
>>>Andy
>>>
>>>dick greenhaus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A long time ago (and probably in another galaxy) several list members
>>>>asked me to obrain a 2-CD set  of field recordings fro, Australia called
>>>>"Sharing the Harvest."  When I ordered them, they were unavailable.
>>>>
>>>>Some finally arrived. If you want a set, please E-mail me at
>>>>[unmask] or call me at (800) 548-FOLK (3655)
>>>>
>>>>They sound good.
>>>>
>>>>dick greenhaus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

And don't forget to go off list before you start exchanging credit
card numbers, or I'll use your account and snap up the collection
myself :-)David EngleAt 12:22 PM -0500 2/2/05, dick greenhaus wrote:
>Hi-
>The internet thing is called PayPal; you can access it at paypal.com
>I take VISA and Master cards. If you prefer cheques, I'll give you a UK
>address to send it to--it's difficult for me to cash cheques in anything
>but US dollars.
>
>And, of course, I'll need an address to which to send it.
>
>dick greenhaus
>CAMSCO Music
>
>Andy Rouse wrote:
>
>>Then you've got yourself a buyer. How do I pay? Cheques are an unknown
>>quantity and cost more than the amount on them. Do you have an account I
>>can transfer to? I know Dave Eyre uses something on the internet to
>>minimse costs, but I've never had occasion myself. Of course, I could
>>slip the cash in an envelope and hope.
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>dick greenhaus wrote:
>>
>>>Hi-
>>>The 2-CD set costs $25. Recording is good, and the singers (in
>>>Aussie-flavored English) are quite easy to understand.
>>>dick greenhaus
>>>CAMSCO Music
>>>
>>>Andy Rouse wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dear Dick,
>>>>
>>>>I'd be intersted in a) the price but b) mostly how easy it is to
>>>>distinguisah WHAT is being sung, as I would be partially obtaining them
>>>>for use at university with non-native (if advanced) students.
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>dick greenhaus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>A long time ago (and probably in another galaxy) several list members
>>>>>asked me to obrain a 2-CD set  of field recordings fro, Australia called
>>>>>"Sharing the Harvest."  When I ordered them, they were unavailable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some finally arrived. If you want a set, please E-mail me at
>>>>>[unmask] or call me at (800) 548-FOLK (3655)
>>>>>
>>>>>They sound good.
>>>>>
>>>>>dick greenhaus--
David G. EngleCalifornia State University, Fresno
Tel: (559) 278-2708; FAX: (559) 278-7878
http://www.csufresno.edu/forlang
The Traditional Ballad Index Web Site:
http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexTOC.html

Hi folks:My question about the authorship of the song has been answered. "Dat's de
Way to Spell 'Chicken'" was published as sheet music in 1902, authors Sidney
Perrin and Bob Slater (the latter not always credited). Thanks to Bill
McNeil of the Ozark Folk Center for the info. And yes, the "Ragtime Chicken
Joe" verse is included, a good ten years before "Ragtime Cowboy Joe" was
published.Peace,
Paul

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Hi folks:I'm working on the song "Ninety-Nine Years", as recorded in 1932 by Martin &
Roberts, by Jess Hillard, by Bob and Mac (a two-parter), and by Steve
Ledford & Donald Nicholson w. the Carolina Ramblers String Band. Three
questions.First, plot. (I'm listening to the Ledford/Nicholson recording.) He sits
down to gamble, but cannot concentrate for thinking of the girl he loves who
has run away with another man. Something happens, he's arrested, tried and
sentenced to prison; he has served forty (fourteen?) years already but still
has 99 to go. When the train rolls by carrying the woman he loves, he hangs
his head and cries.All very well. But what did he do? Did he kill her, and the train is
carrying her body? Or did he kill the lover? I can't make out the singer's
words in the crucial verse. If any of you have the Martin & Roberts
recording, perhaps it will shed more light. (There was also an Elton Britt
song, "Answer to 99 Years", which I have not heard.)Second: In 1929 Clarence Green recorded "Ninety-Nine Years in Jail". Same
song? Or a different one? And Jimmie Rodgers did "Ninety-Nine Years Blues".
Any relation?Finally, anyone know of a possible author?Note: This is *not* the "Ninety-nine years is almost for life" song -- at
least, the Ledford/Nicholson recording isn't. Are any of the others?Thanks in advance for any light you can shed!Peace,
Paul

The Callahan Brothers did it as Ninety Nine's My Name, the same song. But
they don't mention the crime, either, although my guess is that he killed
his rival and/or his girl.I remember the Buzz Busby song (Life to Go?) where he meets a dear old
friend and they have drinks together; then all of a sudden, "words were
said, and now he's dead, I had to bring him down." At his point, my wife
always says, "Oh, indeed, goes without saying; that's what I always do when
I meet an old friend."Paul GaronAt 01:33 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote:
>Hi folks:
>
>I'm working on the song "Ninety-Nine Years", as recorded in 1932 by Martin &
>Roberts, by Jess Hillard, by Bob and Mac (a two-parter), and by Steve
>Ledford & Donald Nicholson w. the Carolina Ramblers String Band. Three
>questions.
>
>First, plot. (I'm listening to the Ledford/Nicholson recording.) He sits
>down to gamble, but cannot concentrate for thinking of the girl he loves who
>has run away with another man. Something happens, he's arrested, tried and
>sentenced to prison; he has served forty (fourteen?) years already but still
>has 99 to go. When the train rolls by carrying the woman he loves, he hangs
>his head and cries.
>
>All very well. But what did he do? Did he kill her, and the train is
>carrying her body? Or did he kill the lover? I can't make out the singer's
>words in the crucial verse. If any of you have the Martin & Roberts
>recording, perhaps it will shed more light. (There was also an Elton Britt
>song, "Answer to 99 Years", which I have not heard.)
>
>Second: In 1929 Clarence Green recorded "Ninety-Nine Years in Jail". Same
>song? Or a different one? And Jimmie Rodgers did "Ninety-Nine Years Blues".
>Any relation?
>
>Finally, anyone know of a possible author?
>
>Note: This is *not* the "Ninety-nine years is almost for life" song -- at
>least, the Ledford/Nicholson recording isn't. Are any of the others?
>
>Thanks in advance for any light you can shed!
>
>Peace,
>PaulPaul and Beth Garon
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1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
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Fred: I was the one who raised the issue of Blue Grass Roy. I would love to hear this album, great stuff, including "Puttin' On the Style" and "I Am My Own Grandpa." Thanks for the news. Any chance I can get a tape? Ron CohenSubject:        Blue Grass RoyA short while ago there was a discussion on this site about Blue Grass Roy,
during which it was stated that he never made any records, and that he claimed
 to have been born in Kentucky.I hope I'm not repeating something that's been said already, but I've just
come across an LP of the man; Blue Grass Roy's Collection of Mountain and  Home
Songs. Old Homestead OHCS 106.It's not compiled from commercial records, but from airshow  transcription
discs, which were cut in 1940. The playlist is as follows:-Introduction, Theme and Sales Pitch
The Little Shirt That Mother  Made For Me.
Hobo Bill's Last Ride
Puttin' On The  Style
The Royal Telephone
I Don't Work For A  Living
She's A - Winkin' At Me
Billy  Richardson's LastRide
O' Jailor Bring Back That Key
Wizard  Oil Ad.
The Dream Of A Miner's child (W/lntro.)
The  Mississippi Flood (W/Dedication),
Who Broke The Lock On The Hen House  Door
In Nineteen Ninety Two
I Am My Own Grandpa/Ending  Theme Starts With no Break in BandFar from being a native Kentuckian, the notes say that he was born in
Champaign County, Illinois. Moreover, he seems to have begun his career  singing on
WDZ, Tuscola, Illinois and WLW, Cincinatti before moving to  WFIW,
Hopkinsville, Kentucky in 1931. There he began broadcasting both  as Blue Grass Roy, and
as the Kentucky Korn Kracker.Incidentally, I heard The Royal Telephone played by a local jazz band  the
very night before I found the LP. The title rang absolutely no bells at all
with me, so I was a little surprised to have it turn up twice within 24 hours.
Does anyone know anything about its background ?Cheers,Fred McCormick.

Paul:
These recordings are among the many versions of the blues ballad generally
called "Coon Can Game."  Marina Bokelman wrote a 275-page  M.A. Thesis on it
at UCLA back in 1968.  Other recorded versions include Clarence Green,
Puckett & Jones, Graham Bros, Blue Sky Boys, Darby & Tarlton, Morgan Dennon,
Duel Frady, etc etc.
Norm----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stamler" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Ninety-Nine Years> Hi folks:
>
> I'm working on the song "Ninety-Nine Years", as recorded in 1932 by Martin
&
> Roberts, by Jess Hillard, by Bob and Mac (a two-parter), and by Steve
> Ledford & Donald Nicholson w. the Carolina Ramblers String Band. Three
> questions.
>
> First, plot. (I'm listening to the Ledford/Nicholson recording.) He sits
> down to gamble, but cannot concentrate for thinking of the girl he loves
who
> has run away with another man. Something happens, he's arrested, tried and
> sentenced to prison; he has served forty (fourteen?) years already but
still
> has 99 to go. When the train rolls by carrying the woman he loves, he
hangs
> his head and cries.
>
> All very well. But what did he do? Did he kill her, and the train is
> carrying her body? Or did he kill the lover? I can't make out the singer's
> words in the crucial verse. If any of you have the Martin & Roberts
> recording, perhaps it will shed more light. (There was also an Elton Britt
> song, "Answer to 99 Years", which I have not heard.)
>
> Second: In 1929 Clarence Green recorded "Ninety-Nine Years in Jail". Same
> song? Or a different one? And Jimmie Rodgers did "Ninety-Nine Years
Blues".
> Any relation?
>
> Finally, anyone know of a possible author?
>
> Note: This is *not* the "Ninety-nine years is almost for life" song -- at
> least, the Ledford/Nicholson recording isn't. Are any of the others?
>
> Thanks in advance for any light you can shed!
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>

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20:10:15 PST)        3955931391 - PAT ROONEY'S IS THAT MR. RIELLY SONGSTER, 1882, $44
(ends Feb-07-05 18:00:00 PST)        3955909107 - Yankee Locke's, Old Clown, Dream and Fate, Palmistry &
C., Songster, 1888, $19.99 (ends Feb-07-05 18:45:00 PST)        3871815298 - COMICAL BROWN'S SONGSTER, 1885, $9.99 (ends Feb-09-05
18:05:58 PST)        3956348233 - True Blue Republican Campaign Songs, 1892, $39.99
(ends Feb-09-05 18:15:13 PST)        4525305164 - THE SOUVENIR MINSTREL OR SINGER'S REMEMBER ME, 1842,
$19.99 (ends Feb-10-05 18:10:20 PST)        MISCELLANEOUS        4071924619 - A TREASURY OF FIELD RECORDINGS  VOL. 1, LP, 1977, $29
(ends Feb-07-05 16:43:33 PST)        6945460169 - Journal of American Folklore, Oct-Dec 1980, $9.99
(ends Feb-08-05 16:03:51 PST) This seller has several other issues of this
journal on Ebay currently.        6945461534 - Journal of American Folklore, April-June 1979, $9.99
(ends Feb-08-05 16:27:09 PST)        4072289595 - Sara Cleveland, LP, 1975, 2.99 GBP (ends Feb-09-05
07:55:54 PST)        4072729479 - THE TRAVELLING SONGSTER - AN ANTHOLOGY FROM GYPSY
SINGERS, LP, 1977, 3.99 GBP (ends Feb-10-05 15:27:46 PST)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        4523535025 - Boxing the Compass -- Sea Songs and Shanties by Palmer,
2001, $3.99 (ends Feb-06-05 18:00:00 PST)        4524065835 - Singin' Texas by Abernethy (inc. cassette), 1983,
$29.99 (ends Feb-06-05 19:31:28 PST)        6945503553 - FUGITIVE SCOTTISH BALLADS, 1859, $9.99 (ends Feb-07-05
04:41:19 PST)        4524196061 - Ballads and Songs of the Peasantry of England by
Henry, 1870?, $24.99 (ends Feb-07-05 09:49:50 PST)        3779916068 - Eight Negro Songs by Abbot, 1923, $3.99 (ends Feb-07-05
17:01:41 PST)        4523659761 - A Scottish Ballad Book by Buchan, 1973, $5 (ends
Feb-08-05 09:21:10 PST)        3956123027 - Tell Me A Story Sing Me A Song by Owens, 1983, $7.98
(ends Feb-08-05 16:10:42 PST)        4524589020 - More Traditional Ballads of Virginia by Davis, 1960,
$9.99 (ends Feb-08-05 18:32:45 PST)        4524589384 - The British Traditional Ballad in North America by
Coffin, 1950, $9.99 (ends Feb-08-05 18:34:03 PST)        4524588217 - Folk Songs of Old New England by Linscott, 1939, $9.99
(ends Feb-08-05 18:30:09 PST)        4524588546 - Folksingers and Folksongs in America by Lawless, 1965,
$9.99 (ends Feb-08-05 18:31:27 PST) also 4524789332 - $5.99 (ends
Feb-09-05 12:26:34 PST)        4524589669 - Ballad Books and Ballad Men by Hustvedt, 1930, $29.99
(ends Feb-08-05 18:35:07 PST)        4524590399 - The Broadside Ballad - A Study in Origins and Meaning
by Shepard, 1962, $9.99 (ends Feb-08-05 18:37:45 PST)        4072357174 - The British Broadside Ballard and its music by Simpson,
1966, 2.50 GBP (ends Feb-09-05 12:12:02 PST)        3780423473 - SONGS of the SAILOR & LUMBERMAN by Doerflinger, 1990
edition, $4.99 (ends Feb-09-05 21:08:34 PST)        3780567812 - Hebridean Folksongs Volume 3 by Campbell, 1981, 8 GBP
(ends Feb-10-05 12:27:27 PST)        3780560406 - Ballads and Songs by Belden, 1955, $9.99 (ends
Feb-10-05 17:00:00 PST)        6945708927 - Famous Cowboy and Mountain Ballads, 1944, $2 (ends
Feb-10-05 18:05:02 PST)        4524524840 - EVERYMANS BOOK OF ENGLISH COUNTRY SONGS by Palmer,
1979, 1 GBP (ends Feb-11-05 14:42:17 PST)        5555063741 - WEST OF ENGLAND AGRICULTURE SHOW BALLAD, 1840?, 4.99
GBP (ends Feb-12-05 09:30:00 PST)        4525226969 - Border Ballads by Tomson, 2.99 GBP (ends Feb-13-05
14:05:36 PST)        3780657173 - Marrow Bones English Folk Songs From The Hammond And
Gardiner Mss by Purslow, 1965, $24 (ends Feb-13-05 19:33:32 PST)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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Fred: That would be jus fine. Please send to:Ronald Cohen
Dept. of History
Indiana University Northwest
Gary, IN 46408-1197Very much appreciated, ron cohenCc:	
Subject:        Re: Blue Grass RoyHi Ron,I'll be glad to, although I'll probably do a CDR rather than a tape; less
messing than a tape. But where do I send it to ?Cheers,FredIn a message dated 05/02/2005 15:12:45 GMT Standard Time, [unmask]
writes:Fred: I  was the one who raised the issue of Blue Grass Roy. I would love to
hear this  album, great stuff, including "Puttin' On the Style" and "I Am My
Own  G
randpa."  Thanks for the news. Any chance I can get a tape? Ron Cohen

A standard reference for dating "Country Music" 78's is now
    _Country Music Sources_ by Guthrie T Meade Jr with Dick Spottswood and
Douglas S. Meade (Chapel Hill, 2002).Is there a similar source or set of sources for Irish in English 78's (with
or without US and Canadian labels).  For example, for Richard Hayward's
records for Rex.  Or--in the US--for Ruthie Morrissey or the McNulty Family
on Copley?I use
    irishtune.info, Irish Traditional Music Tune Index: Alan Ng's Tunography
where I can but that is a player's site and not primarily for songsBen Schwartz

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You might find answers on the mudcat forum or the IRTRAD list.
Just look in google....
I know where to go for edison cylinders if anyone is interested in those
sources.Of course dating by technology would also help- dates of operation of
record company and dates for issue of series or label design etc.CBbennett schwartz wrote:
> A standard reference for dating "Country Music" 78's is now
>    _Country Music Sources_ by Guthrie T Meade Jr with Dick Spottswood and
> Douglas S. Meade (Chapel Hill, 2002).
>
> Is there a similar source or set of sources for Irish in English 78's (with
> or without US and Canadian labels).  For example, for Richard Hayward's
> records for Rex.  Or--in the US--for Ruthie Morrissey or the McNulty Family
> on Copley?
>
> I use
>    irishtune.info, Irish Traditional Music Tune Index: Alan Ng's Tunography
> where I can but that is a player's site and not primarily for songs
>
>
> Ben Schwartz--
@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@
Looking through my bedroom window, out into the moonlight and the
uneding smoke-colored snow,
I could see the lights in the windows of all the other houses on our
hill and hear the music rising from them
up the long, steadily falling night. I turned the gas down, I got into
bed. I said some words to the
close and holy darkness, and then I slept!-Dylan Thomas
####################################################################

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Automatic digest processor <[unmask]>, in the
person of Fred McCormick, writes:> Incidentally, I heard The Royal Telephone played by a local jazz
> band the very night before I found the LP. The title rang absolutely
> no bells at all with me, so I was a little surprised to have it turn
> up twice within 24 hours.  Does anyone know anything about its
> background ?_Rise Up Singing_ (surprise!) attributes it to F. M. Lehman, and says:  Lehman was a Pittsburgh radio evangelist who write this song in
  the mid 1920's.  On Jean Ritchie "High Hills & Mtns".
--
---  Joe Fineman    [unmask]||:  "There's a hint of fall in the air."  :||
||:  "Don't talk with your mouth full."    :||

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just another piece on Royal Telephone- it was a number one chart hit
(in Australia) in the early 1960s as recorded by the wonderful
Aboriginal country singer Jimmy Little. It was also
the first chart hit for an indigenous Australian artist   warren faheyOn 07/02/2005, at 4:04 AM, Conrad Bladey Peasant wrote:> You might find answers on the mudcat forum or the IRTRAD list.
> Just look in google....
> I know where to go for edison cylinders if anyone is interested in
> those
> sources.
>
> Of course dating by technology would also help- dates of operation of
> record company and dates for issue of series or label design etc.
>
> CB
>
> bennett schwartz wrote:
>> A standard reference for dating "Country Music" 78's is now
>>    _Country Music Sources_ by Guthrie T Meade Jr with Dick Spottswood
>> and
>> Douglas S. Meade (Chapel Hill, 2002).
>>
>> Is there a similar source or set of sources for Irish in English 78's
>> (with
>> or without US and Canadian labels).  For example, for Richard
>> Hayward's
>> records for Rex.  Or--in the US--for Ruthie Morrissey or the McNulty
>> Family
>> on Copley?
>>
>> I use
>>    irishtune.info, Irish Traditional Music Tune Index: Alan Ng's
>> Tunography
>> where I can but that is a player's site and not primarily for songs
>>
>>
>> Ben Schwartz
>
> --
> @#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@
> Looking through my bedroom window, out into the moonlight and the
> uneding smoke-colored snow,
> I could see the lights in the windows of all the other houses on our
> hill and hear the music rising from them
> up the long, steadily falling night. I turned the gas down, I got into
> bed. I said some words to the
> close and holy darkness, and then I slept!-Dylan Thomas
> ####################################################################
>

It's also on a Blue Sky Boys reissue, I think a Rounder tape--but it may be
something I got from The Music Barn.  I was listening to it a couple of
weeks ago, but can't put my hands on it at the moment.-- Bill McCarthyAt 02:05 PM 2/6/2005, Fred McCormick wrote:
>Ok folks. Found it. It's a 1970s LP which has lately been reissued along
>with None but One.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Fred McCormick.
>
>Joe,
>
>Many thanks. What's the connection with Jean Ritchie ? Is High Hills and
>Mountains a record of hers that I've missed ?
>
>Fred McCormick
>
>
>In a message dated 06/02/2005 18:01:42 GMT Standard Time,
>[unmask] writes:
>Automatic digest processor <[unmask]>, in the
>person of Fred McCormick, writes:
>
> > Incidentally, I heard The Royal Telephone played by a local jazz
> > band the very night before I found the LP. The title rang absolutely
> > no bells at all with me, so I was a little surprised to have it turn
> > up twice within 24 hours.  Does anyone know anything about its
> > background ?
>
>_Rise Up Singing_ (surprise!) attributes it to F. M. Lehman, and says:
>
>   Lehman was a Pittsburgh radio evangelist who write this song in
>   the mid 1920's.  On Jean Ritchie "High Hills & Mtns".
>--
>---  Joe Fineman    [unmask]
>
>||:  "There's a hint of fall in the air."  :||
>||:  "Don't talk with your mouth full."    :||
>
>

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Another item from Research Buzz which some of you might find of interest:** Project to Digitize Black Newspapers Underway
<http://www.researchbuzz.org/project_to_digitize_black_newspapers_underway.shtml>Newspapers & Technology is reporting (
http://newsandtech.com/issues/2005/02-05/ot/02-05_blackpapers.htm )
about a project to digitize the archives of over 200 African-American newspapers and make them available online.The project is a partnership between Amalgamated Publishers Inc. and Ninestars Information Technology Ltd. There's a lot to this project since many of the newspapers being digitized go back over a hundred years. The intent would be to create a single Internet site where all the newspapers would be searched.Searching would be free but accessing the entire article would cost.

Hi!        The perfect Valentine gift for the ballad enthusiast can be
found on this week's Ebay list :-)        SONGSTERS        6946043363 -  GRIGG'S SOUTHERN AND WESTERN SONGSTER, 1865, $19.99
(ends Feb-13-05 14:32:00 PST)        3781487774 - GUS WILLIAMS "OH WHAT A NIGHT" SONGSTER, 1885, $7.99
(ends Feb-14-05 17:01:39 PST)        3957243440 - 2 songsters (Cleveland & Hendricks Campaign Songster
1884 & Cleveland & Thurman 1888), $15 (ends Feb-14-05 18:30:00 PST)        6510724723 - Patterson's Ideal Songster, 1890, $7.99 (ends
Feb-15-05 06:00:38 PST)        3957343319 - Yankee Locke's Old Clown Songster, 1888, $9.99 (ends
Feb-15-05 18:00:00 PST)        3781727034 - Patterson's Ideal Songster, 1880, $4 (ends Feb-15-05
18:37:45 PST)        6511270635 - Excelsior Songster, 1888, $9.99 (ends Feb-17-05
14:24:03 PST)        MISCELLANEOUS        4073616630 - Virginia Traditions, LP, 1978, $3.98 (ends Feb-14-05
08:18:47 PST)        4072895803 - JEANNIE ROBERTSON, LP, $14.99 (ends Feb-14-05 17:30:00
PST)        6945849937 - Magazine, Record Collector inc. articles on folk music
and folk recordings, 1994, 0.99 GBP (ends Feb-15-05 08:01:55 PST)        4074095192 - Hudson Valley Songs by Warner, LP, $9.99 w/reserve
(ends Feb-16-05 08:15:08 PST)        4074170406 - The New Beehive Songs, Volume 1, Early Recordings of
Pioneer Folk Music, LP, $9.99 (ends Feb-16-05 13:07:31 PST)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        6945820836 - The Legendary Ballads Of England And Scotland by
Roberts, 1868, $9.01 (ends Feb-12-05 12:00:00 PST)        3780942002 - Broadside - The Brave Volunteers from North Haven,
1862, $250 (ends Feb-12-05 18:00:00 PST)        6946042648 - FOLK BALLADS AND SONGS OF THE LOWER LABRADOR COAST by
Leach, 1965, $20 C (ends Feb-13-05 14:25:19 PST)        6946508489 - Devil's Ditties by Thomas, 1931, $69.95 (ends Feb-13-05
16:19:26 PST) also 4527042521 - $20 (ends Feb-17-05 08:12:49 PST)        4526109746 - American Mountain Songs by Richardson, 1927, $20 (ends
Feb-13-05 18:20:56 PST)        7952915296 - THE OXFORD NURSERY RHYME BOOK by Opie, 1975, $3.50
(ends Feb-13-05 18:39:53 PST)        6946270676 - A North Countrie Garland by Maidment, 1884 edition,
$65 (ends Feb-13-05 19:00:00 PST)        3781330036 - 4 country songbooks, 1936-1940, $6 (ends Feb-13-05
22:31:47 PST)        6946190821 - The Ballad In Literature by Henderson, 1912, $5 AU
(ends Feb-15-05 01:29:32 PST)        7953203250 - A SCOTTISH BALLAD BOOK by Buchan, 1973, 0.99 GBP (ends
Feb-15-05 06:25:46 PST)        4526550459 - OLD IRISH STREET BALLADS by Healy, 1967, 3.99 GBP
(ends Feb-15-05 12:49:08 PST)        6946282634 - AMERICAN NEGRO FOLK-SONGS by White, 1965 reprint,
$9.99 (ends Feb-15-05 18:45:11 PST)        7953489743 - The Common Muse - British Ballads 15th - 20th Century
by Sola Pinto & Rodway, 1965, 0.99 GBP (ends Feb-16-05 04:05:05 PST)        4526943545 - Songs and Ballads from Nova Scotia by Creighton, 1966,
$9.99 (ends Feb-16-05 19:18:17 PST)        4526949712 - Folk Visions & Voices by Rosenbaum, 1983, $4.99 (ends
Feb-16-05 19:46:20 PST)        3781977175 - CENTENARY EDITION TWO VOLUMES REPRINTED IN ONE BOOK of
songs collected by Cecil Sharp, 1959, 4.99 GBP (ends Feb-17-05 01:43:22 PST)        4527041675 - TALES & SONGS OF SOUTHERN ILLINOIS by Neely, 1998
edition, $12.50 (ends Feb-17-05 08:09:16 PST)        3957748839 - 2 country songbooks, 1933-35, $0.99 (ends Feb-17-05
11:09:14 PST)        4527091745 - Folk Songs of Australia by Meredith, 1979, $6.99 (ends
Feb-17-05 11:10:54 PST)        4527138714 - Folk Songs from the North by Polwarth, 0.99 GBP (ends
Feb-17-05 13:22:48 PST)        4526295078 - Old Songs and Singing Games by Chase, 1972 edition,
4.99 GBP (ends Feb-17-05 13:40:45 PST)        4526475797 - ROBIN HOOD- A COLLECTION OF POEMS,SONGS & BALLADS by
Ritson, 1972 reprint, 2 GBP (ends Feb-18-05 08:40:30 PST)        4526581947 - The Second Book of Irish Ballads by Healy, 1964, 1 GBP
(ends Feb-18-05 14:23:38 PST)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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Hello everyone,I remember reading on this list that someone is/was working on a definitive
"Stackalee" history.I have a graduate student who is very interested in learning more of the
history of this song/toast/recitation.  Could someone give me the email
address of the person working on "Stackalee" or forward on my request to
him?Thanks!John Mehlberg
~
My, mostly traditional, bawdy songs, toasts and recitations website:
www.immortalia.com.

Cecil Brown published a very thorough book: Stagolee Shot Billy. Harvard
University Press, 2004.Paul GaronAt 11:53 AM 2/12/2005, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I remember reading on this list that someone is/was working on a definitive
>"Stackalee" history.
>
>I have a graduate student who is very interested in learning more of the
>history of this song/toast/recitation.  Could someone give me the email
>address of the person working on "Stackalee" or forward on my request to
>him?
>
>Thanks!Paul and Beth Garon
Beasley Books (ABAA)
1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
http://www.beasleybooks.com

Folks:I would call your attention to the fact that Postscript, a British overstock house, has "limited copies" of  James Porter and Herschel Gower, _Jeannie Robertson: Emergent Singer, Transformative Voice (Tuckwell, 1995) for 5.99 GPB.  The stock number is 25698.  Needless to say, this is an important work for any person interested in ballads and folk song.The book can be ordered on line at wwwpsbooks.co.uk .  The UK telephone number is 020 8767 7421.Ed

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Dear everyone,Here is a low quality PDF copy of _The Frisky Songster_ (1776):   http://immortalia.com/1776-the-frisky-songster.zip   (5.5MB)Legman in his 1990 erotic songs bibliography has this to say of
this book:    _The Frisky Songster_. c. 1770. London, or Dublin.
   (Reprint copies: [1776] Bodleian, W. N. H. Harding
   Collection; Kinsey-ISR: 1802.) The essential erotic
   folksong collection in English of the late 18th century.
   (Compare: _The Honest Fellow_, 1790 and _The New
   Frisky Songster, 1794.) On the legal condemnations
   of this work see: G. Chitty, _A Practical Treatise on
   the Criminal Law_ (1826 2d edition) vol. 2:42-43.Comparing this songster with _The Merry Muses of Caledonia_
helps place the later book in the context of the erotic songbooks
of the late 18th century.Yours,John Mehlberg
~
My, mostly traditional, bawdy songs, toasts and
recitations website: www.immortalia.com.

Hope this will be of interest to some of the list members:
Ella Shields on DVD.....
Warner dvd 65286  - "The Broadway Melody" (1929)
  This release contains supplementary material including 5 issues of
Metro Movietone Revue - in Revue #4 there is a segment of
Miss Ella Shields singing (and dancing) The King's Navy (about 2:40).
Music Hall lovers:  Enjoy!
  Best wishes, Thomas Stern.

Hello ballad-l,Can you help me identify this tune?   http://immortalia.com/go_kiss_your_pa_[tune].mp3Thanks!John Mehlberg

It has come to my attention that some people have had trouble contacting me because my email address has changed.  Sorry I didn't think to send out this message before our IT dept. took down the old server!  Old email:   [unmask]New email (as of Jan. 10, 2005):    [unmask]Thanks.LynLyn Wolz, Director
Regents Center Library
University of Kansas, Edwards Campus
12600 Quivira Road
Overland Park, KS  66213
(913) 897-8572
[unmask] 
   

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mehlberg" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: Can you identify this tune?Hello ballad-l,Can you help me identify this tune?   http://immortalia.com/go_kiss_your_pa_[tune].mp3Well, it sounds similar to a version of "Christopho Colombo" I've heard (the
verse, not the chorus), and there's also a slight resemblance to "No More
Booze on Sunday".Peace,
Paul

As always just when you think you have them all....Actually these are quite fun....and among the earliest too....Going to
be a big year....400th of the plot....Join in by going here:
http://www.bcpl.net/~cbladey/fifthgala.htmlAn EXCELLENT
G A R L A N D,CONTAININGAdditional songs in Inkle and arico. 2. The revolution and gunpowder
plot. 3. God save the King. The top-sails shiver in the wind.
Manchester, 1790 ?The Revolution, and Gunpowder Plot.Tune-God save the king.Patriots of Britain Great,
Now join to celebrate
Two great events;
Gun-powder Treason and
The Revolution grand;
Joy echo through the land;
Time now presents.Rome, as our records say,
Aimed upon this day,
Britain's o'erthrow,
To blast was her intent,
Both King and Parliament,
And Constitution rent,
All at on blow.But heaven who Britons aid,
When foes our rights invade,
Did frustrate,
With helping hand divine,
Her hellish, vile design,
In a destructive mine,
Providence great!The church to overthrow,
And Romish errors sow,
James, Britain's King,
Strove with an ardent zeal,
But in effect did fail,
Which gave him cause to 'weal
Woe! did him sting.Rul'd by despotic will,
Patriots no places fill,
In Church nor State;
But injur'd Britons brave,
William's assistance crave,
Who did our freedom save,
And James defeat.Britons the chorus join,
Ever may Brunswick's line,
This empire sway;
May George's progeny,
Our laws defenders be;
God bless the family;
Huzza! huzza!
*Prince of Orange.The Scots Vocal Miscellany
A Choice Collection  of the most celebrated S O N G S,
ANCIENT and MODERN,
MANY OF WHICH NEVER BEFORE IN PRINT
E D I N B U R G HPrinted and sold by J. ROCH, at his Printing house, Luckenbooths, and by
all Booksellers in Town and Country,
M.DCCLXXX1780[92}The gun-powder plot.Some twelve months ago,
An hundred or so,
The Pope went to visit the devil;
And as, you will find,
Old Nick, to a friend,
Can behave himself wondrous civil.Quoth the De'il to the Seer,
What the De'il brought you here
It was surely some whimsical maggot:
Come, draw to the fire;
Nay, prithee, sit nigher:
Here, sirrah! lay on t'other faggot.You're welcome to Hell;
I hope friends are well,
At Pareis, Madrid, and at Rome;
And, now you elope,
I suppose, my dear Pope,
The conclave will hang out the broom.Then his Holiness cry'd,
All jesting aside,
"Give the Pope and the Devil their dues;"
For, believe me, Old Dad,
I'll make thy heart glad,
For, by Jove, I do bring thee rare news.There's a plot to beguile
An obstinate isle;
Great Britain, that heretic nation,
Who so shyly behav'd,
Inthe hopes of being sav'd
By the help of a d--d Reformation.We'll never have done,
If we burn one by one,
Tis' such a d--d numerous race!
For no sooner one's dead,
Like the fam'd Hydra's head,
Than a dozen spring up in his place.But, believe me, Old Nick,
We'll play them a trick,
The like was ne'er hatched in France;
For this day before dinner,
As sure's I'm a sinner,
We'll burn all the rascals at onece.When the king with his son
To the parliament's gone,
To consult about old musty papers,
We'll give them a greeting,
Shall break up their meeting,
  And try who can cut the best capers.There's powder enough,
And combustible stuff,
Inf fifty and odd trusty barrels,
Which will blow all together,
The Devil cares whither,
And decide at one blow all our quarrels.But this was scarce said,
When in popp'd the head
Of an old Jesuitical Wight,
Who cry'd You're mistaken,
They've all saav'd their bacon,
And Jemmy still stinks with the fright.Then Satan was struck,
And said 'tis bad luck,
But you for your news shall be thanked:
So he call'd to the door
Seven devils or more,
And they toss'd the poor dog in a blanket.--
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Looking through my bedroom window, out into the moonlight and the
uneding smoke-colored snow,
I could see the lights in the windows of all the other houses on our
hill and hear the music rising from them
up the long, steadily falling night. I turned the gas down, I got into
bed. I said some words to the
close and holy darkness, and then I slept!-Dylan Thomas
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Change it into 6/8 time and it's instantly recognisable as "A Life on the
Ocean Wave", the signature tune of the Royal Marines.
Cheers
Simon-----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]] On
Behalf Of John Mehlberg
Sent: 14 February 2005 17:25
To: [unmask]
Subject: Can you identify this tune?Hello ballad-l,Can you help me identify this tune?   http://immortalia.com/go_kiss_your_pa_[tune].mp3Thanks!John Mehlberg__________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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>.........as one British newspaper aptly described the forthcoming
>royal nuptials. To try and preserve my sanity over the next couple
>of months, I've been attempting to recall a truly splendid lampoon
>on such beanfeasts. Unfortunately, I can only recall the first two
>verses.
>
>Pray rub up your ears and I'll tell you a thing.
>The wonder of subjects, the wit of a king.
>So pray give attention to what I do sing.
>
>ch: Sing tan tara ra ra ra boys, hey boys hey.
>      Sing tan tara ra ra ra boys, hey boys hey.
>
>The young Prince of Wales went over to France.
>To fiddle and fence and to learn to dance.
>And there he did meet with a mistress by chance.
>
>ch: Sing etc.
>
>I wonder if anyone might have the complete text.
>
>Many advance thanks,
>
>Fred McCormick.As I recall, Randolph/Legman quotes some verses in which a woman
learns, or teaches, people to "fiddle, fuck, and dance."  Related?John

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Excellent effort, Conrad. All we need now is an MP3 file of you singing
these splendid songs.
Huzza!
(Though I confess I have difficulty with the idea of a true-blue US citizen
singing a song in support of the House of Hanover....)
Simon

No I don't, but I am reminded of a wonderful song I got years ago from Ewan
McColl; "I Mean To Get Jolly Well Drunk", which is a slight variant on Harry
Boardman's version in the Digital Tradition. The relevant verse goes:I'll drink till the high price of coal becomes small,
  Till ale and roast beef they cost nothing at all,
I'll drink till there are no more reasons for strikes,
  Till a man values work just as much as he likes,
I'll drink till the law gives a man no denial,
  For taking a wife out a month upon trial,
Till the Dukes and the Lords have to sort clean from dirt,
  And the big Prince of Wales has to wash his own shirt.Funny how history repeats itself...
Cheers
Simon________________________________From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]] On
Behalf Of Fred McCormick
Sent: 14 February 2005 10:09
To: [unmask]
Subject: Two boring old gits to wed.................as one British newspaper aptly described the forthcoming royal
nuptials. To try and preserve my sanity over the next couple of months, I've
been attempting to recall a truly splendid lampoon on such beanfeasts.
Unfortunately, I can only recall the first two verses.Pray rub up your ears and I'll tell you a thing.
The wonder of subjects, the wit of a king.
So pray give attention to what I do sing.ch: Sing tan tara ra ra ra boys, hey boys hey.
     Sing tan tara ra ra ra boys, hey boys hey.The young Prince of Wales went over to France.
To fiddle and fence and to learn to dance.
And there he did meet with a mistress by chance.ch: Sing etc.I wonder if anyone might have the complete text.Many advance thanks,Fred McCormick.__________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
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John,will get back to you on the other questions but suspect no barriers.
the tune appears to be related to Sweet VioletsOn 15/02/2005, at 4:24 AM, John Mehlberg wrote:> Hello ballad-l,
>
> Can you help me identify this tune?
>
>    http://immortalia.com/go_kiss_your_pa_[tune].mp3
>
> Thanks!
>
> John Mehlberg
>

Actually this year WILL be the year I get the festivities of the 5th
recorded. We have been doing it for about 20 years now. We have our own
bonfire chant/prayer and the competition is quite amazing. Groups of 5
or 6 each doing a different one and then all doing them at the same
time. I always play prince of sinisters on the trumpet and we ring bells
and hit gongs.This year we shall also have horns based upon the boston woodcut in the
library of congress- for "rough music" of course.At a certain time in the evening it all gets rough! But by then sounds
smooth to the participants. Sort of an insider perception thing.All are welcome. This year on the 5th itself 400 annaversary. Baltimore
Md. keg tapped 4:00 PM Saturday....only minutes from the airport.CBSimon Furey wrote:> Excellent effort, Conrad. All we need now is an MP3 file of you singing
> these splendid songs.
> Huzza!
> (Though I confess I have difficulty with the idea of a true-blue US citizen
> singing a song in support of the House of Hanover....)
> Simon--
@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@
Looking through my bedroom window, out into the moonlight and the
uneding smoke-colored snow,
I could see the lights in the windows of all the other houses on our
hill and hear the music rising from them
up the long, steadily falling night. I turned the gas down, I got into
bed. I said some words to the
close and holy darkness, and then I slept!-Dylan Thomas
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Fred and John:I have the two-volume "Unprintable" set and will look for the song  there when I get home tonight.  I have heard a similar fragment in a children's rhyme that  went  "fiddle, fight and dance..."Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Fred McCormick <[unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:09 am
Subject: Re: Two boring old gits to wed........>
> Hi John,
>
> I presume you're referring to Roll Me In Your Arms, Vance
> Randolph/GershonLegman, but I'd be inclined to think that's not the
> song. My memories of  the
> one I'm looking for are that it came off a black letter broadside
> and  that it
> celebrated an arranged marriage between two infant royal heirs.
> Somehow  I'd
> find it hard to imagine a song like that lodging in the Ozarks,
> when it
> doesn't appear to have been retained in oral tradition over here.
>
> But you never know. I remember seeing four versions of The Royal
> Blackbirdin Randolph's Ozark Folksongs. I don't have a copy of Roll
> Me In Your Arms, so
> I  wonder if there's anyone who does, who could check ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred McCormick.
>
> In a message dated 14/02/2005 20:15:04 GMT Standard Time,
> [unmask]:
>
> As I  recall, Randolph/Legman quotes some verses in which a woman
> learns, or  teaches, people to "fiddle, fuck, and dance."   Related?
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>

>>.........as one British newspaper aptly described the forthcoming
>>royal nuptials. To try and preserve my sanity over the next couple
>>of months, I've been attempting to recall a truly splendid lampoon
>>on such beanfeasts. Unfortunately, I can only recall the first two
>>verses.
>>
>>Pray rub up your ears and I'll tell you a thing.
>>The wonder of subjects, the wit of a king.
>>So pray give attention to what I do sing.
>>
>>ch: Sing tan tara ra ra ra boys, hey boys hey.
>>      Sing tan tara ra ra ra boys, hey boys hey.
>>
>>The young Prince of Wales went over to France.
>>To fiddle and fence and to learn to dance.
>>And there he did meet with a mistress by chance.
>>
>>ch: Sing etc.
>>
>>I wonder if anyone might have the complete text.
>>
>>Many advance thanks,
>>
>>Fred McCormick.
>
>
>As I recall, Randolph/Legman quotes some verses in which a woman
>learns, or teaches, people to "fiddle, fuck, and dance."  Related?
>
>JohnOK, I've been browsing through Randolph/Legman and the first instance
of "fiddle, fuck, and dance" that I came across is in "The Jolly
Tinker."  This, however, is not the item I was thinking about, which
is about a woman who "lately came from France" and who could "fiddle,
fuck, and dance."  The notes to "The Jolly Tinker" don't mention the
other item.Here's the beginning of "The Jolly Tinker":There was a jolly tinker, an' he come from France,
An' all that he could do was to fiddle, fuck an' dance.
   With his great big tilly-whatcker, great big kidney-cracker,
   Yard of gutta-percha, a-hangin' to his knees.The next appearance I found is similar, part of "Shave 'Em Dry."There was an old woman come from France,
(And) All that she done was fiddle, fuck, and dance.orAn old lady and her daughter came from France,
Came to Missouri for to fiddle, fuck, and dance.I found no more, but my memory still tells me that somewhere in there
is the lady who "lately came from France."  Sorry I didn't find it.The couplets quoted above seem to be floaters.  Their only evident
relationship to the song Fred quotes is "fiddle," "fence," and
"dance" in "France."John

Voice of the Turtle's CD "Balkan Vistas, Spanish Dreams: music of
the Spanish Jews of Bulgaria and Yugoslavia" (Titanic Ti-203, 1991)
has a song "Ken es akeyo de la mentana" which they mysteriously
describe as "a Yugoslavian folk song 'dressed' in Judeo-Spanish
poetry".  They attribute it to Avraam Altarats of Sarajevo.The tune is identical to the most familiar version of "Wayfaring
Stranger" except for the last note.Any ideas how that happened?  They don't give a date for their
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Bennett, Bob, and Everyone Else:In my article "Barbara Allen: Cheap Print and Reprint," included in the festschrift for Wayland Hand,  _Folklore International,_ edited by D. K. Wilgus (Folklore Associates, 1967), pp. 41-51, I list  no fewer than 14 British broadsides, chapbooks and songster reprints; not to mention four American broadsides, and  35 American songster reprints of the ballad.  I would not doubt  that the redoubtable Norm Cohen can double that number.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: bennett schwartz <[unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: February 15 Ballad Index Update> On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:51 AM Robert B. Waltz wrote
> > I find, to my amazement, that though we have 52 book citations
> > for Barbara Allen, and 16 recordings, we still don't have a
> > single broadside. Have to do *something* about that. :-)
>
> I hope you solve your machine problems.  As for Barbara Allen
> broadsides
> you'll find the following entry in my Mackenzie set:
>
> ===
> NAME: Bonny Barbara Allan [Child 84]
> REFERENCES:
> Mackenzie 9, "Barbara Allan" (1 text)
> Mackenzie 9, "Barbara Ellan" (2 texts, 1 tune)
> BROADSIDES:
> Murray, Mu23-y1:138, "Barbara Allan", Poet's Box (Glasgow), 1855;
> Mu23-y1:138, "Barbara Allan the Cruel"
> Bodleian, Harding B 3(49), "Barbara Allen's Cruelty" or "The Young
> Man's
> Tragedy", J. Davenport (London), 1800-1802; also Douce Ballads
> 3(3a),
> "Barbara Allen's Cruelty" or "The Young Man's Tragedy"; Harding B
> 25(115),
> Harding B 11(730), Johnson Ballads 266, Firth c.21(22), Firth
> c.21(23),
> Harding B 16(14a), 2806 c.17(19), Harding B 11(1011), Firth
> c.21(21),
> Harding B 11(729), "Barbara Allen"; Harding B 11(2121), "The Life,
> Death,
> and Love, of Barbara Allen"
> NOTES:
> Broadside Murray Mu23-y1:138, "Barbara Allan the Cruel," ends as a
> parody in
> which Barbara "gets another spark" after Johnny dies and, when she
> eventually dies", she is buried beside him "For she wished to be
> his bride
> in death, Though in life she couldn't abide 'un." - BS
> ===
>
> Ben Schwartz
>
>
>

AND WE HAVE AN AUSTRALIAN COLLECTED VERSION WHERE, APPROPRIATELY, THE
ACTION TAKES PLACE IN THE ROYAL HOTELOn 16/02/2005, at 5:48 PM, edward cray wrote:> Bennett, Bob, and Everyone Else:
>
> In my article "Barbara Allen: Cheap Print and Reprint," included in
> the festschrift for Wayland Hand,  _Folklore International,_ edited by
> D. K. Wilgus (Folklore Associates, 1967), pp. 41-51, I list  no fewer
> than 14 British broadsides, chapbooks and songster reprints; not to
> mention four American broadsides, and  35 American songster reprints
> of the ballad.  I would not doubt  that the redoubtable Norm Cohen can
> double that number.
>
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bennett schwartz <[unmask]>
> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:08 pm
> Subject: Re: February 15 Ballad Index Update
>
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:51 AM Robert B. Waltz wrote
>>> I find, to my amazement, that though we have 52 book citations
>>> for Barbara Allen, and 16 recordings, we still don't have a
>>> single broadside. Have to do *something* about that. :-)
>>
>> I hope you solve your machine problems.  As for Barbara Allen
>> broadsides
>> you'll find the following entry in my Mackenzie set:
>>
>> ===
>> NAME: Bonny Barbara Allan [Child 84]
>> REFERENCES:
>> Mackenzie 9, "Barbara Allan" (1 text)
>> Mackenzie 9, "Barbara Ellan" (2 texts, 1 tune)
>> BROADSIDES:
>> Murray, Mu23-y1:138, "Barbara Allan", Poet's Box (Glasgow), 1855;
>> Mu23-y1:138, "Barbara Allan the Cruel"
>> Bodleian, Harding B 3(49), "Barbara Allen's Cruelty" or "The Young
>> Man's
>> Tragedy", J. Davenport (London), 1800-1802; also Douce Ballads
>> 3(3a),
>> "Barbara Allen's Cruelty" or "The Young Man's Tragedy"; Harding B
>> 25(115),
>> Harding B 11(730), Johnson Ballads 266, Firth c.21(22), Firth
>> c.21(23),
>> Harding B 16(14a), 2806 c.17(19), Harding B 11(1011), Firth
>> c.21(21),
>> Harding B 11(729), "Barbara Allen"; Harding B 11(2121), "The Life,
>> Death,
>> and Love, of Barbara Allen"
>> NOTES:
>> Broadside Murray Mu23-y1:138, "Barbara Allan the Cruel," ends as a
>> parody in
>> which Barbara "gets another spark" after Johnny dies and, when she
>> eventually dies", she is buried beside him "For she wished to be
>> his bride
>> in death, Though in life she couldn't abide 'un." - BS
>> ===
>>
>> Ben Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>

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On 2/15/05, edward cray wrote:>Bennett, Bob, and Everyone Else:
>
>In my article "Barbara Allen: Cheap Print and Reprint," included in the festschrift for Wayland Hand,  _Folklore International,_ edited by D. K. Wilgus (Folklore Associates, 1967), pp. 41-51, I list  no fewer than 14 British broadsides, chapbooks and songster reprints; not to mention four American broadsides, and  35 American songster reprints of the ballad.  I would not doubt  that the redoubtable Norm Cohen can double that number.I should probably clarify this, since Ed's comment was in response
to something that came up in another forum. This is, in a way, a
preview of something that's coming in the Ballad Index: We've been
looking at broadsides. But -- purely as a matter of coincidence --
so far, the Index hadn't run across any broadsides of Barbara Allen
in the major collections.It will happen. Obviously. My statement was not meant to imply that there
are no broadsides of Barbara Allen. But it's interesting to see that
they didn't stand up and jump at us. I went over the whole National
Library of Scotland collection, for instance, and if it has a "Barbara
Allen," I recognized it neither by title nor by first line.--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

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