No... just the abridgment.  Back when a dollar was a
dollar, I was earning 50 cents.All the best,
Dan Milner--- Paul Garon <[unmask]> wrote:
> At 04:33 PM 8/14/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >edward cray wrote:
> > >
> > > Folks:
> > >
> > > Do any other subscribers have complete sets?
> > >
> > > Ed
>
>
> While I don't own the 4-volume set, I did handle one
> last year. It
> ultimately found a home with a musician in Northern
> Indiana, who isn't a
> member of this list (I'm guessing about that.)
>
> Paul Garon
>
>
> Paul and Beth Garon
> Beasley Books (ABAA)
> 1533 W. Oakdale
> Chicago, IL 60657
> (773) 472-4528
> (773) 472-7857 FAX
> [unmask]

Folks:Late returns bring the total of complete sets of Bronson cherished by
ballad-l subscribers to 14, or 8.1 percent of the 173 complete sets sold
by Princeton University Press in the late 1960s-early 1970s.Ed

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Quite a few sets must have made it; I can cite at least three I know of
apart from mine - one at Sheffield University, one owned by a friend of mine
in Nottingham and another owned by a friend in Sussex. I still remember him
coming into the Lewes Arms folk club waving volume 4 in glee when it first
came out in the 1970s. I suppose there must be one in the Vaughan Williams
Memorial Library too.
Cheers
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruairidh Greig" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: Bronson Census> I wonder how many sets made it to the UK? I have all four, bought one by
one
> from Blackwells in Oxford in the 1970s.
>
> Ruairidh Greig
>

This site summarizes the murder of Mary Ann Wyatt by Henry Green in
Berlin, NY, in 1845.  I mention it because this is not a folklore
site, although a ballad is given.http://www.homestead.com/familyhistories/green.htmlW. K. McNeil has written on this subject (NEW YORK FOLKLORE QUARTERLY
Vol. XXV, No. 1, March, 1969).
--
john garst    [unmask]

Folks:The more sets we track down, the more interesting does this become.I assume that perhaps half of the complete four-volume sets went to research
libraries: LC, BL, Sheffield, Edinburgh, UCLA, Berkeley, Illinois, White Library
(Cleveland), Harvard, Princeton (of course).  Some libraries, such as UCLA
Special Collections and its general circulation library, probably bought two
copies.The fact remains that one of the principle resources in ballad scholarship is
very narrowly distributed.  As are the people who use this resource.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Furey <[unmask]>
Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Bronson Census> Quite a few sets must have made it; I can cite at least three I know of
> apart from mine - one at Sheffield University, one owned by a friend of mine
> in Nottingham and another owned by a friend in Sussex. I still remember him
> coming into the Lewes Arms folk club waving volume 4 in glee when it first
> came out in the 1970s. I suppose there must be one in the Vaughan Williams
> Memorial Library too.
> Cheers
> Simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruairidh Greig" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:41 PM
> Subject: Bronson Census
>
>
> > I wonder how many sets made it to the UK? I have all four, bought one by
> one
> > from Blackwells in Oxford in the 1970s.
> >
> > Ruairidh Greig
> >
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: [unmask]
Sent: 15 August 2003 20:16
Subject: Re: [BALLAD-L] Bronson Census> Quite a few sets must have made it; I can cite at least three I know of
> apart from mine - one at Sheffield University, one owned by a friend of mine
> in Nottingham and another owned by a friend in Sussex. I still remember him
> coming into the Lewes Arms folk club waving volume 4 in glee when it first
> came out in the 1970s. I suppose there must be one in the Vaughan Williams
> Memorial Library too.Apart from the Sheffield University set (which I have been gradually photocopying for quite some
time, now: I'm about halfway through at the moment), a friend in Sheffield claims to have a set
bought from a college library (I think he keeps it in a box somewhere; I doubt if it's ever used),
and it's possible that "Doc" Rowe has one, which would likely also be in Sheffield now; though I'm
not sure of that. There certainly is a set at the VWML, and I'd be surprised if there were not one
at Leeds, which had a folklore department in those days.Malcolm Douglas---
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>Do any other subscribers have complete sets?Yes, but I cheated and xeroxed mine.   It required three different
interlibrary loan sources to acquire the four volumes to copy.EdieEdie Gale Hays
[unmask]

Edie:You must be the fourth or fifth person who has confessed to Xeroxing the four
volumes of Bronson -- a monumental task, to be sure.I suspect you will love, or resent the forthcoming CD reprint of Bronson that
ballad-l list member David Kleiman is preparing for sale.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Edie Gale Hays <[unmask]>
Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:43 pm
Subject: Bronson> >Do any other subscribers have complete sets?
>
> Yes, but I cheated and xeroxed mine.   It required three different
> interlibrary loan sources to acquire the four volumes to copy.
>
> Edie
>
> Edie Gale Hays
> [unmask]
>
>
>

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>    It required three different
>interlibrary loan sources to acquire the four volumes to copy.
>
>EdieThis reminded me to look at OCLC. No, no, no, don't everybody jump on me at
once! I know its weaknesses are legion, but I'm surprised to find that you
had difficulty finding interlibrary loan sources when in fact OCLC
registers 800+ copies of this 4-volume set.Obviously, many libraries signed on to this description when they actually
only had a volume or two, but even if 1/5 of them were true....I gather that many of you are in academia--and I am not--so you probably
have more hands-on experience with OCLC than I do. I am a member of the
Antiquarian Booksellers Association of America and the ABAA subscribes to
OCLC for its members.Or, if I'm getting way too many false positives with my search, maybe
someone could tell me how to do it right?Paul GaronPaul and Beth Garon
Beasley Books (ABAA)
1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
[unmask]

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I have all four volumes, bought as they were published. I also have the complete 3-book set of Child from Cooper Square, bought second hand years ago.Mary Stafford

>I suspect you will love, or resent the forthcoming CD reprint of Bronson that
>ballad-l list member David Kleiman is preparing for sale.I will love it. CDs are far more transportable than four large heavy
notebooks.Edie

OCLC stands for something like Online Computer Library Center, and it can
be used as *sort* of a National Union Catalog, although it is not as
participated in as thoroughly as the NUC and it has (apparently) a great
many cataloging errors in it. Still, it's very helpful to find out when a
book was first published, details about the publisher, etc, and how rare it
is (relatively speaking).Unfortunately, it is only available by subscription, usually to libraries
who provide its services to their users. It might be something libraries in
the UK have, but I just don't know. (My knowledge of library science is
entirely from the perspectives of a user and of a subscriber to PROGRESSIVE
LIBRARIAN.)Paul GaronAt 10:29 AM 8/16/03 -0400, you wrote:
>Paul Garon wrote:-
>
>> >This reminded me to look at OCLC. No, no, no, don't everybody jump on
>> me at
>>once! I know its weaknesses are legion, but I'm surprised to find that you
>>had difficulty finding interlibrary loan sources when in fact OCLC
>>registers 800+ copies of this 4-volume set.
>>
>>I hate to show my ignorance, but what is OCLC ? Is it something limited
>>to the USA ? I ask because I order quite a lot of stuff by interlibrary
>>loan, and I deal with a small branch library, whose staff get very
>>confused very easily.
>
>
>If I could direct them to specific sources, it would make life a lot
>easier for them as well as for me.
>
>I still remember the time when I ordered Cecil Sharp's English Folksongs
> From The Southern Appalachians. They came back almost immediately with a
>copy of Maud Karpeles' 80 English Folksongs From The Southern Appalachians
>and the assistant was adamant that she'd got the right book ! Yes, I
>swiped a photocopy, when I eventually managed to persuade them to order
>the one I'd asked for.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Fred McCormickPaul and Beth Garon
Beasley Books (ABAA)
1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
[unmask]

Ed,I suppose that compiling statistics re partial sets would extend your
inquiry far beyond its original purposes but it might be interesting. I
have volumes 1-3, lacking the elusive volume 4.  I bought volume 1 from
a bookdealer who had beat me out to a house sale. I got to the house
sale late because the newspaper I relied on had somehow listed the wrong
time (his newspaper had the right time). When I later went to the
dealer's shop, he sold me volume 1, which he had got at the house sale.
The price was $25 and the copy was - and is - beautiful in a beautiful
dust jacket. I also bought from him the 3 volume Child reprint published
by Folklore Associates, which he had also purchased at the house sale,
also in dust jacket.  The price was $50 for the set. Considering that he
must have made a considerable profit on the sale to me, I can only
imagine what he paid.  I got volume 2 of Bronson at a book fair at the
end of the day for $28.  No one wanted it for $35, the original asking
price.Lew Becker>>> [unmask] 8/15/2003 1:43:35 PM >>>
Folks:Late returns bring the total of complete sets of Bronson cherished by
ballad-l subscribers to 14, or 8.1 percent of the 173 complete sets
sold
by Princeton University Press in the late 1960s-early 1970s.Ed

Edie:Yeah, but then you need something to "play" the CDs on.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Edie Gale Hays <[unmask]>
Date: Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:16 am
Subject: Re: Bronson> >I suspect you will love, or resent the forthcoming CD reprint of Bronson that
> >ballad-l list member David Kleiman is preparing for sale.
>
> I will love it. CDs are far more transportable than four large heavy
> notebooks.
>
> Edie
>
>
>

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 08:30:57AM -0300, Paul Garon wrote:> This reminded me to look at OCLC. No, no, no, don't everybody jump on me at
> once! I know its weaknesses are legion, but I'm surprised to find that you
> had difficulty finding interlibrary loan sources when in fact OCLC
> registers 800+ copies of this 4-volume set.
>
> Obviously, many libraries signed on to this description when they actually
> only had a volume or two, but even if 1/5 of them were true....        'At's funny, I was about to suggest that someone (with more direct access
to Librarianly resources than I do) check the OCLC database for other copies.
This can count as 'I-almost-told-you-so,' I guess.  -- Aloha, Lani<||> Lani Herrmann * [unmask] (or: [unmask])
<||> 5621 Sierra Ave. * Richmond, CA 94805 * (510) 237-7360

In answer to Ed Cray, I have all 4 volumes of Bronson, having inherited
1,2and 3 from the Flanders estate, and been given 4 by John Roberts in
exchange for a complete Child, an inherited duplicate of a set I ownedMargaret MacArthur
Box 15 MacArthur Road
Marlboro VT 05344
802/254/2549
[unmask]
http://www.margaretmacarthur.com
from the heart of the Green Mountains

The University of Arizona music library has a set. Unfortunately, there
are restrictions on who can check them out (i.e., not mere un-affiliated
townies like myself), and someone has the set checked out pretty much in
perpetuity, so I can't even look at them on-site. The library can't
reveal the identity of this unknown scholar, of course...According to their on-line catalog, Arizona State has them, too, but
they're currently  at the bindery. (?!?)I did find volume 2 at a local used bookstore (with no identifying marks
as to the previous owner).~ Becky Nankivell
Tucson, Arizona> Date:    Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:17:40 -0700
> From:    edward cray <[unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Bronson Census
>
> Folks:
>
> The more sets we track down, the more interesting does this become.
>
> I assume that perhaps half of the complete four-volume sets went to research
> libraries: LC, BL, Sheffield, Edinburgh, UCLA, Berkeley, Illinois, White Library
> (Cleveland), Harvard, Princeton (of course).  Some libraries, such as UCLA
> Special Collections and its general circulation library, probably bought two
> copies.
>
> The fact remains that one of the principle resources in ballad scholarship is
> very narrowly distributed.  As are the people who use this resource.
>
> Ed
>

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     I checked the Boston College holdings and came up with the
following:Bronson, Bertrand Harris, 1902-
Title   The traditional tunes of the Child ballads;  with their texts,
according to the extant records of Great Britain and America.
Imprint Princeton, N.J.,  Princeton University Press,  1959-72.
Descr.  4 v. music. 29 cm.
General Note    Each ballad preceded by historical notes.
Contents        v. 1. Ballads 1 to 53.--v. 2. Ballads 54 to 113.--v. 3.
Ballads 114 to 243.--v. 4. Ballads 245-299, with addenda to volumes 1-4.George F. Madaus
Boisi Professor of Education and Public Policy
Senior Research Fellow
National Board on Educational Testing and Public Policy
Center for the Study of Testing Evaluation and Educational Policy
Carolyn A. and Peter S. Lynch School of Education
Boston College
Chestnut Hill MA 02467
[unmask]
617. 552.4521
617 552 8419 FAX

>Yeah, but then you need something to "play" the CDs on.Have laptop computer (complete with CD burner and DVD player), will travel.Edie

I don't consider myself narrowly distributed.
Norm----- Original Message -----
From: "edward cray" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Bronson Census> Folks:
>
> The more sets we track down, the more interesting does this become.
>
> I assume that perhaps half of the complete four-volume sets went to
research
> libraries: LC, BL, Sheffield, Edinburgh, UCLA, Berkeley, Illinois, White
Library
> (Cleveland), Harvard, Princeton (of course).  Some libraries, such as UCLA
> Special Collections and its general circulation library, probably bought
two
> copies.
>
> The fact remains that one of the principle resources in ballad scholarship
is
> very narrowly distributed.  As are the people who use this resource.
>
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Simon Furey <[unmask]>
> Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:16 pm
> Subject: Re: Bronson Census
>
> > Quite a few sets must have made it; I can cite at least three I know of
> > apart from mine - one at Sheffield University, one owned by a friend of
mine
> > in Nottingham and another owned by a friend in Sussex. I still remember
him
> > coming into the Lewes Arms folk club waving volume 4 in glee when it
first
> > came out in the 1970s. I suppose there must be one in the Vaughan
Williams
> > Memorial Library too.
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ruairidh Greig" <[unmask]>
> > To: <[unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:41 PM
> > Subject: Bronson Census
> >
> >
> > > I wonder how many sets made it to the UK? I have all four, bought one
by
> > one
> > > from Blackwells in Oxford in the 1970s.
> > >
> > > Ruairidh Greig
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

HiI don't know whether this is a single volume or a one-volume abridgement or
what, but it just popped up on abebooks.com, if anyone is interested.
----------------
1. The Traditional tunes of the Child ballads : with their texts, according
to the extant records of Great Britain and America. by Bronson, Bertrand
Harris. Page Collector Reprints 1959 New facsimile reproduction of original
edition, quality hardback
The price of the book is US$ 79.00 Hardbound quality facsimile reproduction
of out-of-print titles
  Please reference the seller's book # PC081406060 when ordering.To order this book click here:
http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookDetails?ph=1&bi=227320708The seller is PageCollector
Beverly Hills, CA, U.S.A..
<mailto:[unmask]>
Terms of sale: New book, Replica edition printed on demand, hardbound
Typically ships within a few business days.
------------
Paul GaronPaul and Beth Garon
Beasley Books (ABAA)
1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
[unmask]

Dear Readers,I guess I missed this part of the discussion:  what will the 4 Bronson
volumes on CD-ROM retail for?-Adam Miller

I don't believe this has been announced. Though as I understand it
the plan is to bring it out within the next 12 months, there are
still a number of uncrossed bridges over this river, and getting the
original Child up and marketed must be one of them.John Roberts>Dear Readers,
>
>I guess I missed this part of the discussion:  what will the 4 Bronson
>volumes on CD-ROM retail for?
>
>-Adam Miller

Dear all,
Deutsches Volksliedarchiv Freiburg has all four volumes too and a lot of
research material for international folksong-research.
Yours Barbara Boock, librarian
At 17:17 15.08.2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Folks:
>
>The more sets we track down, the more interesting does this become.
>
>I assume that perhaps half of the complete four-volume sets went to research
>libraries: LC, BL, Sheffield, Edinburgh, UCLA, Berkeley, Illinois, White
>Library
>(Cleveland), Harvard, Princeton (of course).  Some libraries, such as UCLA
>Special Collections and its general circulation library, probably bought two
>copies.
>
>The fact remains that one of the principle resources in ballad scholarship is
>very narrowly distributed.  As are the people who use this resource.
>
>Ed
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Simon Furey <[unmask]>
>Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 12:16 pm
>Subject: Re: Bronson Census
>
> > Quite a few sets must have made it; I can cite at least three I know of
> > apart from mine - one at Sheffield University, one owned by a friend of
> mine
> > in Nottingham and another owned by a friend in Sussex. I still remember him
> > coming into the Lewes Arms folk club waving volume 4 in glee when it first
> > came out in the 1970s. I suppose there must be one in the Vaughan Williams
> > Memorial Library too.
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ruairidh Greig" <[unmask]>
> > To: <[unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 1:41 PM
> > Subject: Bronson Census
> >
> >
> > > I wonder how many sets made it to the UK? I have all four, bought one by
> > one
> > > from Blackwells in Oxford in the 1970s.
> > >
> > > Ruairidh Greig
> > >
> >
> >
> >Barbara Boock, Bibliothekarin
Deutsches Volksliedarchiv
Arbeitsstelle für internationale Volksliedforschung
Silberbachstr. 13
79100 Freiburg
Tel 0761/7050314
Fax 0761/7050328
http://www.dva.uni-freiburg.de/

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[unmask] wrote:
>
> There is a set at the University of Ulster at Coleraine and - apart
> from Fred McCormick - I am the only person who has borrowed it in
> about twenty years - that's another kind of thinness.
>
> John MouldenI got my set of 4 volumes about 2 years ago, for $500.00. They were in
like new condition (but no dust jackets), and in fact, I found no
evidence that any volume had been previously opened.Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

Spiritual, but not "a" spiritual, at least in my book. This is the
entry for The Lass of Roch Royal. The particular version (Appendix C,
p.271) begins:I wish I was in my own room
A-sitting on a bed of down
I never would give to you my hand
To sail to a foreign landHush oh hush my dearest
I hate to hear you cry
The best of friends do part
And why not you and IThere are 13 verses, Who will shoe/ + standard floating verses - the
title reference (v.9) is:And if ever I prove false to the one I love
Bright day will surely turn to night
My own true love
Bright day will turn to nightIf you should need the complete text I'll scan it.John Roberts____________I am trying to trace a spiritual, possibly of white origin called
Some Bright Day, and have a version in front of me which was
collected by Cortez D Reece in West Virginia. Roud has an entry for a
song called Bright Day, which is in Davis, Traditional Ballads of
Virginia pp.260-277, recorded from a Mrs Maxie of Altavista, in 1914
(28 Feb). Roud 6868.I want to check whether this is the same song, but I don't have a
copy of Davis and there is no way I can lay my hands on one. Is there
any kind soul out there who might have a set of the words.Many anticipatory thanks,Fred McCormick.

Hello list,I'm coming out of the lurking mode that I've been in since I joined this
list last year, because this is the first time I felt I actually had some
information to contribute, namely about the lack of volume level holdings
information in OCLC.Admittedly one of the gaps in OCLC's functions is the ability to search
multi-volume sets at the holdings (or individual volume) level.  While this
level of searching is available for periodicals, there isn't any way for
libraries to enter that sort of data when we're cataloging books.  So the
only way to find this out is to search the libraries individual catalogs,
which fortunately are becoming more and more accessible through the
internet.  I've worked out a relatively efficient process for doing this
(note that I said "relatively," it still takes a little time).1. You'll still need to do an Worldcat search, or have some friendly
librarian do it for you, and get the holdings listing.  One of the beauties
of Worldcat (as compared to the old style OCLC) is that when it tells you
what libraries have a particular book, it gives the whole name and location
of the library (not just those scrummy little three letter codes).While we're on the subject, there is a similar (though much smaller) entity
in the UK, COPAC http://copac.ac.uk/about.html  which offers a union catalog
of the Consortium of University Research Libraries. COPAC which includes the
holdings of the British Library, which OCLC does not. And even better, COPAC
is a free service, so you don't have to find a member library to get access
to it.2. Once you have the your list, got to this site at Berkeley: Libweb
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Libweb/  it currently lists websites for 6600
libraries in 115 countries, divided into categories (public, academic,
school, etc.)  You can also do a keyword search with location=yourstate,
this will give you a list of all the libraries (academic, public, etc)
together. Hint: Use MS Internet Explorer as your browser, the keyword search
results will not come up in Netscape.3. Then you can search the catalogs of each library on your Worldcat or
COPAC list, and most of the time you'll be able to see which individual
volumes the library has. As a trial I went through this process to see which
libraries in Virginia had all four volumes of Bronson.  Worldcat listed 21
libraries in Virginia that owned it.  By copying and pasting the title, this
search took me about 15 minutes and the results were: 9 libraries with all
four volumes; 8 with one, two, or three volumes; and 4 where it was
impossible to determine.  These last four were all catalogs that do not
allow holdings level information to users off-site (nothing's perfect).Back to lurk mode....Susan Lawlor, Technical Services Librarian
Thomas Nelson Community College * Hampton, VA
email: [unmask]
Voice: (757) 825-3530 * Fax: (757) 825-2870

Fred:The Davis reference is not correct.  (Nor is it in his "More Traditional
Ballads...")  There is no "Bright Day" or "Some Bright Day" there.I checked the George Pullen Jackson indecies for both "Some Bright Day" and
"Bright Day," but found nothing.Sorry.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Fred McCormick <[unmask]>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:29 am
Subject: Some Bright Day> I am trying to trace a spiritual, possibly of white origin called Some Bright
> Day, and have a version in front of me which was collected by Cortez D Reece
> in West Virginia. Roud has an entry for a song called Bright Day, which is in
> Davis, Traditional Ballads of Virginia pp.260-277, recorded from a Mrs Maxie
> of Altavista, in 1914 (28 Feb). Roud 6868.
>
> I want to check whether this is the same song, but I don't have a copy of
> Davis and there is no way I can lay my hands on one. Is there any kind
> soul out
> there who might have a set of the words.
>
> Many anticipatory thanks,
>
> Fred McCormick.
>

At 04:46 PM 8/18/03 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm coming out of the lurking mode that I've been in since I joined this
>list last year, because this is the first time I felt I actually had some
>information to contribute, namely about the lack of volume level holdings
>information in OCLC.   AND MUCH MORE..... snipWow, this was worth the price of admission alone! Many, many thanks! I
always hoped there was something like Libweb out there, and now I have the
address... Cool.Paul GaronPaul and Beth Garon
Beasley Books (ABAA)
1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
[unmask]

>> Quite a few sets must have made it; I can cite at least three I know of
>> apart from mine - one at Sheffield University, one owned by a friend of
>> mine in Nottingham and another owned by a friend in Sussex. [...]
>> I suppose there must be one in the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library too.
> Apart from the Sheffield University set[...] a friend in Sheffield claims
> to have a set bought from a college library [...] and it's possible that
> "Doc" Rowe has one, which would likely also be in Sheffield now; though
> I'm not sure of that. There certainly is a set at the VWML, and I'd be
> surprised if there were not one at Leeds, which had a folklore department
> in those days.Two in Edinburgh: one in the music section of the public library and one
in the National Library of Scotland across the road.  Edinburgh University
has the one-volume abridgment in the music department library (which is
about to be closed by the same bean-counting shits who imposed prohibitive
charges on outside users a while back - and the whole department is living
on borrowed time too) and I suspect there may be one in the School of
Scottish Studies library as well (which is doubtless next on the hitlist
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<<I am trying to trace a spiritual, possibly of white origin called Some
Bright
Day, and have a version in front of me which was collected by Cortez D Reece
in West Virginia. Roud has an entry for a song called Bright Day, which is
in
Davis, Traditional Ballads of Virginia pp.260-277, recorded from a Mrs Maxie
of Altavista, in 1914 (28 Feb). Roud 6868.I want to check whether this is the same song, but I don't have a copy of
Davis and there is no way I can lay my hands on one. Is there any kind soul
out
there who might have a set of the words.>>I'm posting this to the list, so that someone else won't go through the
typing. Here are the words to "Bright Day"; it's Appendix C to Davis's #21,
"The Lass of Roch Royal"; punctuation more or less as in the original:"I wish I was in my own room,
A-sitting on a bed of down;
I never would give to you my hand
To sail to a foreign land.""Hush, oh hus, my dearest,
I hate to hear you cry,
The best of friends do part,
And why not you and I?"Oh, don't you see yonder lonesome dove,
Flying from pine to pine,
Mourning for its own true love,
Just like I have mourned for mine."Oh, I wish to the Lord I'd never been born,
Or had died when I was young,
I'd never been here to shed a tear
For no girl under the sun."Oh, who will shoe your pretty little foot?
And who will glove your hand?
And who will kiss your rosy red lips
When I'm in some foreign land?""My father will shoe my feet, my love;
My mother will glove my hand;
And you may kiss my rosy red lips
If you ever return again.""Supposing I go so far away,
Be taken sick and die;
Who will hear me when I cry (pray)
And who will see me when I die?""Oh, if you go so far away,
Be taken sick and die,
Your father will hear you when you cry (pray)
Your mother will see you when you die.""And if ever I prove false to the one I love,
Bright day will surely turn to night,
My own true love,
Bright day will turn to night. *"Oh, I wish to the Lord I'd never been born,
Or had died when I was young,
I'd never been here to shed a tear
For no girl under the sun."That for me the cradle had never been rocked,
Nor to me my mother sung,
Then would I have not been here
To part from you, my dear. *"Oh, if ever I prove false
To you, my own true love,
Bright day will turn to night,
And the raging sea shall burn;
If I false prove to the one I love,
The elements shall mourn. *"Oh, if I had never been born,
Or had died when I was young,
I'd never been here to shed a tear
For no girl under the sun."Davis notes that in the stanzas marked by asterisks (*), the line divisions
are doubtful.It doesn't sound much like a spiritual to me.Peace,
Paul

Paul Garon wrote:
>
> At 04:46 PM 8/18/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'm coming out of the lurking mode that I've been in since I joined this
> >list last year, because this is the first time I felt I actually had some
> >information to contribute, namely about the lack of volume level holdings
> >information in OCLC.   AND MUCH MORE..... snip
>
> Wow, this was worth the price of admission alone! Many, many thanks! I
> always hoped there was something like Libweb out there, and now I have the
> address... Cool.
>
> Paul Garon
>
> Paul and Beth Garon
> Beasley Books (ABAA)
> 1533 W. Oakdale
> Chicago, IL 60657
> (773) 472-4528
> (773) 472-7857 FAX
> [unmask]Seconded!Bruce Olson
--
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and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
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>>
>> The more sets we track down, the more interesting does this become.
>>
>> I assume that perhaps half of the complete four-volume sets went to research
>> libraries: LC, BL, Sheffield, Edinburgh, UCLA, Berkeley, Illinois, White
>> LibraryThis listing from WorldCat may be of interest:The traditional tunes of the Child ballads; with their texts, according to
the extant records of Great Britain and America.
             Author: Bronson, Bertrand Harris, Child, Francis James,
             Publication: Princeton, N.J., Princeton University Press, 1959
             OCLC member libraries worldwide: 797 (i.e., 797 copies are in OCLC member libraries)Truman--
Suzanne and Truman Price
Columbia Basin Books
7210 Helmick Road
Monmouth, OR 97361Folk music a specialtyemail [unmask]
phone 503-838-5452
abe URL: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abep/il.dll?vci=3381
also 10,000 childrens books at http:/www.oldchildrensbooks.com
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Truman:If I may beg to differ, I would point out that while Princeton may have sold 797
of volume 1, thus beginning the OCLC listing, the fact is that the press sold
just 173 copies of volume 4.  I guessed that about half of that 173 went to
libraries and half to individuals.As I interpret the returns, it suggests that the community of serious ballad
scholars is rather small.  It is almost astounding that 16 subscribers to
ballad-l own an ESTIMATED 18.5 percent of the complete four-volume sets not in
libraries.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Truman and Suzanne Price <[unmask]>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: Bronson Census> >>
> >> The more sets we track down, the more interesting does this become.
> >>
> >> I assume that perhaps half of the complete four-volume sets went to
> research>> libraries: LC, BL, Sheffield, Edinburgh, UCLA, Berkeley,
> Illinois, White
> >> Library
>
> This listing from WorldCat may be of interest:
>
> The traditional tunes of the Child ballads; with their texts, according to
> the extant records of Great Britain and America.
>             Author: Bronson, Bertrand Harris, Child, Francis James,
>             Publication: Princeton, N.J., Princeton University Press, 1959
>             OCLC member libraries worldwide: 797
>
> (i.e., 797 copies are in OCLC member libraries)
>
> Truman
>
> --
> Suzanne and Truman Price
> Columbia Basin Books
> 7210 Helmick Road
> Monmouth, OR 97361
>
> Folk music a specialty
>
> email [unmask]
> phone 503-838-5452
> abe URL: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abep/il.dll?vci=3381
> also 10,000 childrens books at http:/www.oldchildrensbooks.com
> Truman's music: http:/www.oldchildrensbooks.com/music
>
> member PAUBA Portland Area Used Booksellers Association
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "edward cray" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: 19 August 2003 02:17
Subject: Re: [BALLAD-L] Bronson Census> Truman:
>
> If I may beg to differ, I would point out that while Princeton may have sold 797
> of volume 1, thus beginning the OCLC listing, the fact is that the press sold
> just 173 copies of volume 4.  I guessed that about half of that 173 went to
> libraries and half to individuals.Do we know how many were actually printed, though? Presumably bulk remainders wouldn't have been
included in that figure; or would they?Malcolm Douglas---
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Malcolm:I must defer to David Kleiman who first gave me the figure for the sales of the
fourth volume: 173.  Princeton may have remaindered some -- 173 does seem like
an odd press run -- but it would not be many copies.I cite Kleiman as an authority because he has optioned and is preparing a CD
reprint of Bronson's four volumes.  I understand he has just a year to get them
into print, which same is great news for all those who have long sought to own a
complete set.EdP.S.  David, if you are back on line, will you please formally announce this set.
And do explain about midi or whatever musical files you will incorporate, etc.----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Douglas <[unmask]>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: Bronson Census> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "edward cray" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: 19 August 2003 02:17
> Subject: Re: [BALLAD-L] Bronson Census
>
>
> > Truman:
> >
> > If I may beg to differ, I would point out that while Princeton may have
> sold 797
> > of volume 1, thus beginning the OCLC listing, the fact is that the press
> sold> just 173 copies of volume 4.  I guessed that about half of that 173
> went to
> > libraries and half to individuals.
>
>
> Do we know how many were actually printed, though? Presumably bulk
> remainders wouldn't have been
> included in that figure; or would they?
>
> Malcolm Douglas
>
>
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Folks:I am posting this message for David Kleiman, who has optioned from
Princeton University Press the four-volume Bronson.  It was David who
passed on the information that just 173 copies of Volume 4 were sold.Ed
------------------------------------------------------------------------Hi Ed,Just thought this might help...the 173 number came directly from the
contracts and rights management office at Princeton University Press.
Unfortunately, their older records are not available and they moved their
offices on campus within the last year so a lot of their papers are
currently
sitting in warehouses.Given the active discussion thread, and my own interests, I emailed my
contacts there to see if they can pin down a number on the actual press
run.
I already know that: a. they do not have a list of sales made in the past;
and b. they do not even maintain an archival copy.  I'll let you know if I
get anything else out of them.I wonder if Lanni Hermann would have any other information or insights?Best,
DMK
> David:
>

Hi!        The list is short this week. There was a definite decrease in
new items during the power outage.        SONGSTERS        2187790052 - Jessie Norton's Songster, date unknown, $9.99 (ends
Aug-20-03 19:15:55 PDT)        SONGBOOKS. ETC.        2551338120 - Bawdy Ballads by Cray, 1978, 1 GBP w/reserve (e
SONGSTERS        2187790052 - Jessie Norton's Songster, date unknown, $9.99 (ends
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Aug-26-03 19:24:57 PDT)        There are also two live auctions which feature single sheet
broadsides. These close on the 24th and are quite expensive. If anyone
wants the auction numbers, I will be glad to email to individuals or the
group.                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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Guys:Do NOT buy that first edition of "The Erotic Muse," reprinted in Great Britain
as  "Bawdy Ballads." The second edition is far superior, and is available in
hardcover or paper from U of Illinois Press.Furthermore, this was a pirated edition -- one of more than a few I have turned
up.  As I don't have a copy of it, I will splurge for $1.65.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:07 pm
Subject: Ebay List - 08/19/03> Hi!
>
>        The list is short this week. There was a definite decrease in
> new items during the power outage.
>
>        SONGSTERS
>
>        2187790052 - Jessie Norton's Songster, date unknown, $9.99 (ends
> Aug-20-03 19:15:55 PDT)
>
>        SONGBOOKS. ETC.
>
>        2551338120 - Bawdy Ballads by Cray, 1978, 1 GBP w/reserve (e
> SONGSTERS
>
>

Folks:I know, it's an old joke, but just in case one of the younger
subscribers hasn't heard this one (as forwarded by my daughter):An Irish Frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see
from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd
like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog
in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit Jagger,
his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager.Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some collateral
The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain
elephant, about half an inch tall - bright pink and perfectly formed.
Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the bank
manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and
says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to know
you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as
collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the
world is this?"(you're gonna love this)(its a real treat)(masterpiece)(wait for it)The bank manager looks back at her and says..."It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."(You're singing it, aren't you?!!)Ed Cray

edward cray wrote:
>
> "It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
> loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."
>
> (You're singing it, aren't you?!!)
>
> Ed CrayHow am I ever going to remember the real words after that?
Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

On 8/19/03, edward cray wrote:>Folks:
>
>I know, it's an old joke, but just in case one of the younger
>subscribers hasn't heard this one (as forwarded by my daughter):
>
>An Irish Frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see
>from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd
>like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog
>in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit Jagger,
>his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager.
>
>Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some collateral
>The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain
>elephant, about half an inch tall - bright pink and perfectly formed.
>Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the bank
>manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and
>says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to know
>you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as
>collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the
>world is this?"Just to show that there is folk processing out there still, the
person I heard this from had some detail about how the frog
was descended from Kermit of the Muppets as well as from Mick
Jagger. Details I can't recall. The rest of the story is the
same.What I want to know is, Do kids actually still know "This
Old Man"?
--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

Bruce (et al):Try hard.  As old as we are, we CAN do it.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Olson <[unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: Shaggy Dogs> edward cray wrote:
> >
> > "It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
> > loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."
> >
> > (You're singing it, aren't you?!!)
> >
> > Ed Cray
>
> How am I ever going to remember the real words after that?
> Bruce Olson
> --
> Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
> and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
> href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click
>
>
>

>What I want to know is, Do kids actually still know "This
>Old Man"?The ones who attend summer camp in their elementary school years.  Kids
will sing ANYTHING.Edie

Folks:In response to a shaggy dog story I mailed to the list, Bob Waltz commented:Just to show that there is folk processing out there still, the
person I heard this from had some detail about how the frog
was descended from Kermit of the Muppets as well as from Mick
Jagger. Details I can't recall. The rest of the story is the
same.What I want to know is, Do kids actually still know "This
Old Man"?
--To which I replied:Bob:Let me assure you that Emily Igler, 8, and her younger sister, Tessa, soon to be
4, both of Palo Alto, California, are very familiar with "This Old Man."  And
they have never been to summer camp either.Grandpa Ed

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That's great. Thanks.  Even some of us 60+ haven't heard it (or perhaps
more accurately and more threateningly - don't remember having heard
it).One question - why is the frog Irish?  It doesn't connect to anything
in the punchline?Lew>>> [unmask] 8/19/2003 8:53:59 PM >>>
Folks:I know, it's an old joke, but just in case one of the younger
subscribers hasn't heard this one (as forwarded by my daughter):An Irish Frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see
from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd
like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog
in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit
Jagger,
his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager.Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some
collateral
The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain
elephant, about half an inch tall - bright pink and perfectly formed.
Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the
bank
manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and
says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to
know
you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as
collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the
world is this?"(you're gonna love this)(its a real treat)(masterpiece)(wait for it)The bank manager looks back at her and says..."It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."(You're singing it, aren't you?!!)Ed Cray

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That's great. Thanks.  Even some of us 60+ haven't heard it (or perhaps
more accurately and more threateningly - don't remember having heard
it).One question - why is the frog Irish?  It doesn't connect to anything
in the punchline.Lew>>> [unmask] 8/19/2003 8:53:59 PM >>>
Folks:I know, it's an old joke, but just in case one of the younger
subscribers hasn't heard this one (as forwarded by my daughter):An Irish Frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see
from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd
like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog
in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit
Jagger,
his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager.Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some
collateral
The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain
elephant, about half an inch tall - bright pink and perfectly formed.
Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the
bank
manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and
says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to
know
you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as
collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the
world is this?"(you're gonna love this)(its a real treat)(masterpiece)(wait for it)The bank manager looks back at her and says..."It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."(You're singing it, aren't you?!!)Ed Cray

Lew:You got me.  It's a red herring.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Lewis Becker <[unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:08 am
Subject: Re: Shaggy Dogs> That's great. Thanks.  Even some of us 60+ haven't heard it (or perhaps
> more accurately and more threateningly - don't remember having heard
> it).
>
> One question - why is the frog Irish?  It doesn't connect to anything
> in the punchline?
>
> Lew
>
> >>> [unmask] 8/19/2003 8:53:59 PM >>>
> Folks:
>
> I know, it's an old joke, but just in case one of the younger
> subscribers hasn't heard this one (as forwarded by my daughter):
>
> An Irish Frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see
> from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd
> like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog
> in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit
> Jagger,
> his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager.
>
> Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some
> collateral
> The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain
> elephant, about half an inch tall - bright pink and perfectly formed.
> Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the
> bank
> manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and
> says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to
> know
> you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as
> collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the
> world is this?"
>
>
> (you're gonna love this)
>
>
>
> (its a real treat)
>
>
>
> (masterpiece)
>
>
> (wait for it)
>
>
>
>
> The bank manager looks back at her and says...
>
> "It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
> loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."
>
> (You're singing it, aren't you?!!)
>
> Ed Cray
>
>
>

But Lew-The frog HAS to be Irish for the punch line to work...Bad pun...It's "Paddywack"Liz In New hampshire-----Original Message-----
From: Lewis Becker [mailto:[unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:08 AM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Re: Shaggy DogsThat's great. Thanks.  Even some of us 60+ haven't heard it (or perhaps
more accurately and more threateningly - don't remember having heard
it).One question - why is the frog Irish?  It doesn't connect to anything
in the punchline?Lew>>> [unmask] 8/19/2003 8:53:59 PM >>>
Folks:I know, it's an old joke, but just in case one of the younger
subscribers hasn't heard this one (as forwarded by my daughter):An Irish Frog goes into a bank and approaches the teller. He can see
from her nameplate that her name is Patricia Whack. "Miss Whack, I'd
like to get a $30,000 loan to take a holiday." Patty looks at the frog
in disbelief and asks his name. The frog says his name is Kermit
Jagger,
his dad is Mick Jagger, and that it's okay, he knows the bank manager.Patty explains that he will need to secure the loan with some
collateral
The frog says, "Sure. I have this," and produces a tiny porcelain
elephant, about half an inch tall - bright pink and perfectly formed.
Very confused, Patty explains that she'll have to consult with the
bank
manager and disappears into a back office. She finds the manager and
says, "There's a frog called Kermit Jagger out there who claims to
know
you and wants to borrow $30,000, and he wants to use this as
collateral." She holds up the tiny pink elephant. "I mean, what in the
world is this?"(you're gonna love this)(its a real treat)(masterpiece)(wait for it)The bank manager looks back at her and says..."It's a knickknack, Patty Whack. Give the frog a
loan. His old man's a Rolling Stone."(You're singing it, aren't you?!!)Ed Cray

Good People:A quick search of my fiddle tune books -- Fraser, Francis O'Neill,
Ryan's Mammoth Collection, etc. -- did not turn up anything.Can anyone help Adam?Ed----------------------------------------------------------------------From Adam Miller <[unmask]>
Sent  Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:02 am
To  [unmask]
Cc
Bcc
Subject  Eagle's WhistleDear Ed,I'm researching the song "Eagle's Whistle".  It's supposed to be one of the
oldest of tunes.  Originally from Ireland, it was the marching tune of the
Clan Donovan.  It is the ancestor of 'Bonaparte's Retreat".Who would you suggest I contact regarding it's alleged ancient origins?I'm asking because I'm working on a new album of Sam Hinton's solo harmonica
performances.  Sam has long told the story that King Cormac McArt liked to
go to sleep listening to this song.  But I haven't been able to find
anything that supports Sam's assertion.  I just visited Sam, but he couldn't
offer any sources.Thanks,Adam Miller
P.O. Box 620754
Woodside, CA  94062
(650)  804-2049
[unmask]

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The notes to Frank Ferrel's 'Yankee Dreams' state "[l]earned from
Shetland fiddler, Ali Bain, 'The Eagle's Whistle' is an old Irish pipe
march."

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 08:39:31AM -0700, edward cray wrote:
> Lew:
>
> You got me.  It's a red herring.
>
> Ed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lewis Becker <[unmask]>
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:08 am
> Subject: Re: Shaggy Dogs
>
> > That's great. Thanks.  Even some of us 60+ haven't heard it (or perhaps
> > more accurately and more threateningly - don't remember having heard
> > it).
> >
> > One question - why is the frog Irish?  It doesn't connect to anything
> > in the punchline?
> >
> > LewWell... frogs are spozed to be GREEN, aren't they?  As we're all mandated
to wear something that color on St Pat's??  (okay, back to your cages!)
-- Aloha, Lani<||> Lani Herrmann * [unmask] (or: [unmask])
<||> 5621 Sierra Ave. * Richmond, CA 94805 * (510) 237-7360

dick greenhaus wrote:
>
> >From Folk Music Index
>
>      The Eagle's Whistle
>
>           At - Mairsea(i)l Ui Dhonncha ; Eagle's Tune
>
>           Rm - Bonaparte's Retreat
>
>        1. Ferrel, Frank. Yankee Dreams, Flying Fish FF 70572, CD
>           (1991), cut# 4a
>        2. McKenna, Joe and Antoinette. Joe and Antoinette
>           McKenna, Shanachie 29011, LP (1978), cut# 3
>        3. Mitchell, Pat. Uilleann Pipes, Topic 12TS 294, LP
>           (1976), cut# 12
>        4. O'Riada, Sean; and Ceoltoiri Chualann. O'Riada,
>           Gael-Linn CEF 032, LP (197?), cut# 3 (Fead An Iolair)
>
>      Eagle's Whistle (Lullaby)
>
>        1.
>           Hinton, Sam. Real McCoy, Decca DL 857, LP (196?), cut#
>           13
>        2. Hinton, Sam. Whoever Shall Have Some Good Peanuts,
>           Scholastic SC 7530, LP (1964), cut#B.08
>
> edward cray wrote:
>
>      Good People:
>
>      A quick search of my fiddle tune books -- Fraser, Francis
>      O'Neill,
>      Ryan's Mammoth Collection, etc. -- did not turn up anything.
>
>      Can anyone help Adam?
>
>      Ed
>
>      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      >From Adam Miller <[unmask]>
>      Sent  Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:02 am
>      To  [unmask]
>      Cc
>      Bcc
>      Subject  Eagle's Whistle
>
>      Dear Ed,
>
>      I'm researching the song "Eagle's Whistle".  It's supposed
>      to be one of the
>      oldest of tunes.  Originally from Ireland, it was the
>      marching tune of the
>      Clan Donovan.  It is the ancestor of 'Bonaparte's Retreat".
>
>      Who would you suggest I contact regarding it's alleged
>      ancient origins?
>
>      I'm asking because I'm working on a new album of Sam
>      Hinton's solo harmonica
>      performances.  Sam has long told the story that King Cormac
>      McArt liked to
>      go to sleep listening to this song.  But I haven't been able
>      to find
>      anything that supports Sam's assertion.  I just visited Sam,
>      but he couldn't
>      offer any sources.
>
>      Thanks,
>
>      Adam Miller
>      P.O. Box 620754
>      Woodside, CA  94062
>      (650)  804-2049
>      [unmask]
>
>What is probably the oldest published version was collected in 1828, and
published in 1829 ('Sources of Irish Traditional Music', #5851) Possibly
older, from a MS of a 'P. Carew' are variants #306 and 306 in the
complete Petrie Collection.and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

eBay can be a source of song texts.  I discovered that earlier with a
W. T. Blankenship broadside.  Recently, Delores included a manuscript
ballet, "Away Here in Texas," on her eBay list.  I didn't bid on it,
but I was delighted that the seller posted a transcription of the
words.The first two verses appeared in The Sacred Harp in 1859.  This song
was later dropped from the Denson line of Sacred Harp editions but
retained in the Cooper line.  Perhaps the first two verses weren't
religious enough for the Denson editors.Anyhow, the seller's transcription supplies 4 "new" verses, including
some religious ones.I don't know whether or not a text beyond the first two verses is
available elsewhere.******January the 1 1862.1. Away here in Texis as the bright sunny south
The coald stormy winter defy
The darke lowring clouds that incircle the north
Seldom darke our beautiful skies2. Away heare in Texis the sun shines so bright
The stores in their beauty appeare
The full mon in splendor illumins the night
And the seasons roll round with yeare3. Away heare in Texis the beautiful flowers
Peculiar brilliant and gay
The birds with thiere music beguile the dull hours
They enchantingly sing all the day4. Away heare in Texis a stranger I roam
Unknown unto all but a few
But I travil in hope of a fair beter world
When I will take my last sad adieu5. Away hear in Texis my journey shal end
My body be laide in the ground
But I hope to arise and to glory asend
When Gabrel his strumpet shal sound6. The a ransom from Texas I'll rise from my tombe
To mete my deare lorde in the air
For the word of his promise will bare me safe home
And forever will dwell with him thare.Jan the 1 1862
John T McCall.
******This was copied mechanically, i.e., electronically, from the seller's
eBay posting.  Thus, if "When Gabrel his strumpet shal sound" is an
error, it isn't mine.
--
john garst    [unmask]

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