Folks:Let this a warning be!  The sins of our youth will eventually be revealed.
Repent now, before your deeds are too widely known.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:40 pm
Subject: Is This Someone We Know?> Hi!
>
>        While searching Ebay I ran across the following -
>
>        2548029904 - an LP, Never Trust A Skier and Other Songs Sung In
> the Alpen Inn by Sandy Paton, 1961, $59.99 (ends Aug-02-03 18:18:38 PDT)
>
>        Is this list member and Folk Legacy owner, Sandy Paton? If so,
> will he admit it? :-)
>
>                                Dolores
>
>        P.S. I am amazed at the opening price on this record!
>
>
> --
> Dolores Nichols                 |
> D&D Data                        | Voice :       (703) 938-4564
> Disclaimer: from here - None    | Email:     <[unmask]>
>        --- .sig? ----- .what?  Who me?
>
>
>

<<The two, essentially jazz and folk, were in separate but adjoining
buildings with access both internal and external. The separation was
more in the minds of the staff and in the different addresses. The folk
staff were all "alcoholic communists" and the jazz staff [of which Les
considers himself one] just "a better class of people.">>Ahhh...*now* I can picture it. I remember the layout, sort of, and the shelf
where I found the rare Bert Lloyd LP. Rare in the States, at least, although
it was issued here (on Prestige).Peace,
Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred McCormick <[unmask]>> Could be. The British folk revival, pre early 1960s, was heavily
influenced
> by the American revival, especially by its left wing wing, so to speak. My
> impression that   Dobell was a CP member came from an article which
appeared in
> the People newspaper about the year 1967. The article "exposed" various
folk
> revival activists, including Ewan MacColl and A.L. Lloyd.An odd pair of "exposures", come to think of it, since Lloyd had been quite
open about his CP membership (it got him in trouble during World War II),
while I believe MacColl had already quit the CP by then in search of more
exotic Maoist affiliations. Or was that later?Peace,
Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]><<        2548029904 - an LP, Never Trust A Skier and Other Songs Sung In
the Alpen Inn by Sandy Paton, 1961, $59.99 (ends Aug-02-03 18:18:38 PDT)        Is this list member and Folk Legacy owner, Sandy Paton? If so,
will he admit it? :-) >>The repertoire sounds right, and recording for Droll Yankees sounds about
right too.<<        P.S. I am amazed at the opening price on this record!>>Not me -- it's a true rarity. The question is, are there folkie collectors
with enough money to bid?Peace,
Paul

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----- Original Message -----
From: Fred McCormick <[unmask]><<There are a couple of good articles on Lloyd and the foundation of the
postt
WW11 revival, published in the Canadian Journal of Traditional Music. They
are
online at http://cjtm.icaap.org/ >>Hi Fred:Do you know, offhand, which issues they are in? The back-issues are indeed
online, but not indexed in any way.Peace,
Paul

http://cjtm.icaap.org/content/25/v25art2.html will certainly take you to
one.........I suspect the other is not far away!!Dave----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stamler" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: A TREASURY OF FIELD RECORDINGS VOL 1 & 2> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred McCormick <[unmask]>
>
> <<There are a couple of good articles on Lloyd and the foundation of the
> postt
> WW11 revival, published in the Canadian Journal of Traditional Music. They
> are
> online at http://cjtm.icaap.org/ >>
>
> Hi Fred:
>
> Do you know, offhand, which issues they are in? The back-issues are indeed
> online, but not indexed in any way.
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>
>

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Ran across the following article: Sam “Lightnin ’ Hopkins – A
Description by Mack McCormick (From Jazz Monthly October 1959) which
reads in part:"His isolation and his ignorance is self-imposed, and can be startlingly
complete. During a recent recording session for Doug Dobell's
limited-edition '77' label, Lightnin searched conscientiously for the
proper songs 'to sing for those people over across that water.' He
briefly considered one that begins 'Buses stopped running, trains won't
allow me to ride no more.' He rejected it with the question, 'But do
they have buses and trains over there?' Some insight to the careful
choice of ignorance can be gained if one considers that Lightnin has
been exposed to British-based films just as much as the average American
citizen. He merely disregards the world beyond his culture."And Les' wife Babs, who worked at Collet's, sent me the following:"We tried to remember the 1950s, and what stood where. Between Leicester
Square and Tottenham Road tube
stations, you began with the left-wing International Bookshop, run by
Collet’s and starring James Asman (at
number 52), and Doug Dobell’s (at 77). Past Cambridge Circus and
opposite Foyle’s, you could walk upstairs to the Record Shop (at number
100). At the junction with Tottenham Court Road was Imhof’s, a music and
hi-fi store. To the left, John Rowe’s Attic in Newman Street (84); to
the right, a few yards down New Oxford Street, the new Collet’s record
shop (70) with folk on the ground floor and Ray Smith in the basement –
Ray had replaced trumpeter Al Fairweather, who had wanted nothing to do
with Communism after the Hungarian revolution! For a few years in the
‘60s, there was also Ronnie Scott’s shop in Romilly Street, while James
Asman had long since moved to nearby New Row.

FRED MCCORMICK
> > <<There are a couple of good articles on Lloyd and the foundation of the
> > postt
> > WW11 revival, published in the Canadian Journal of Traditional Music.
They
> > are
> > online at http://cjtm.icaap.org/ >>PAUL STAMLER
> > Hi Fred:
> >
> > Do you know, offhand, which issues they are in? The back-issues are
indeed
> > online, but not indexed in any way.JOHN MEHLBERG
I always use google to do a site search.   Here is a search that gives you
all pages that mention "Al Llyod":http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Acjtm.icaap.org+%22al+lloyd%22AOL users click here:   <a
href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Acjtm.ica
ap.org+%22al+lloyd%22">Al Lloyd on cjtm.icaap.org</a>Best Wishes!John M.
~Here's to Osama that son of a bitch
May his pecker fall off with the seven year itch
And may they beat on his balls with a big brass hammer
Until his asshole whisles the Star Spangled Banner.[John Valby,  Sept. 13, 2001,  Toad's Place, New Haven, Connectticut]> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Stamler" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: A TREASURY OF FIELD RECORDINGS VOL 1 & 2
>
>

Ah yes.In the folkie section of Colletts at a point in the 1960s - maybe 1964, was
a sign that said "Bert Jansch does not give guitar lessons."
People would meet him in a club, ask him to teach them, he would mumble,
"Meet me in Colletts."
They would turn up and ask when he would appear, Hans or Jill would just
point to the sign.Jolly days.Ewan McVicar
84 High Street
Linlithgow
EH49 7AQ
01506 847935

If anyone can cite when/where reviews of these albums appeared,
that would be nice. Also, were they released simultaneously?I'm also trying to determine if Vol. 2 with Mance's "Tom Moore's
Farm" appeared prior to, or after, Mance's debut album on
Arhoolie.Thanks,Andrew________________________________________________________________
Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net

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Don't know how much this may help but the "77" Lipscomb cut was recorded
30 June 1960 and the cuts which appeared as Arhoolie F 1001 were
recorded 11 Aug. 1960. Not sure of release dates but I seem to recall a
comment that the "77" records were released in 1960.Andrew Brown wrote:>If anyone can cite when/where reviews of these albums appeared,
>that would be nice. Also, were they released simultaneously?
>
>I'm also trying to determine if Vol. 2 with Mance's "Tom Moore's
>Farm" appeared prior to, or after, Mance's debut album on
>Arhoolie.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andrew
>
>________________________________________________________________
>Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net
>
>
>

>We're not talking about the effects of mishearing in this case - these two
>songs are not traditional but performances which derive from printed
>texts. Some of the differences one finds between printed versions are not
>mondegreens (and I still insist that the term has no meaning in a
>traditional context) but wilful changes made for reasons of commerce - the
>ballad hack has less compunction than the singer. Commerce is not conservative.I've been reading along in this conversation, not really understanding Lady
Mondegreen and "mondegreens" until I stepped back and said it. "Got it".I was able to send my ballad-singing wife off to work with a big smile (not
always easy when confronting the work day).So thanks!Paul GaronPaul and Beth Garon
Beasley Books (ABAA)
1533 W. Oakdale
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 472-4528
(773) 472-7857 FAX
[unmask]

In a posting here in May of 2001 I pointed out that "Whiskey in the
Jar" was a reworked version of the ballad "Patrick Flemming". Flemming
was executed in Dublin on Apr. 24, 1650, and the original ballad
probably followed within a few days. We have no known text or
tune of the 17th century, but we know the tune was used c 1684
for the ballad numbered ZN787 in the broadside ballad index on my
website. I think from the broadside texts of "Whiskey in the Jar"
on the Bodleian Ballads website that the latter probably dates
from the 1840s. Traditional versions of the two ballads are Laws
L13A & B, Roud #533 & 534.EASMES notes a tune "Patrick Flemming" in an American music
manuscript of c 1775, the William Williams manuscript at the John
Hay Library of Brown University. I do not have access to this, so
don't know if the tune is related to the well known one for
"Whiskey in the Jar", but it would certainly be of interest to
find out. I hope there is some ambitious soul among the readers here
that will pursue this.[For the text of "Patrick Flemming" from the broadside in the
Madden collection see the Scarce Songs 2 file on my website.]Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
broadside ballads at my website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

Bruce Olson wrote:
> ..............
> EASMES notes a tune "Patrick Flemming" in an American music
> manuscript of c 1775, the William Williams manuscript at the John
> Hay Library of Brown University.
> Bruce Olson
> --In a private email Kate Van Winkle Keller, co-editor of EASMES,
identified the "Patrick Fleming" in the Williams MS as "Jackson's
Morning Brush". How did it get the new 'Flemming' title so fast, even
across an ocean? My best date for "Jackson's Morning Brush" is 1776.At any rate it can't be the lost 17th century tune for "Patrick
Flemming".Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
broadside ballads at my website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

Greetings good people!
With the recent wet weather I have retreated from my artcar studio to get
things edited. This new project will make the songs and recitations
available once again. Currently collections are very hard to get. Some are
rare. Our collection contains first hand accounts never before published,
commentary, lyrics, notation and illustrations. Even a recipe for game pie
from the tradition in case anyone wants to make a hedgehog or cat one!
Sources of the lyrics varry. Many from the song book compiled by Tommy's
Son but others from the oral tradition as remembered. Alternative notation
and song titles are given as well as a complete bibliography. We are
working on a cd of the tunes which may take a "bit" time.
Recitations are also included from original sources.We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the Hutman
Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire night
which is currently being put together.Here are the details....A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
The Pitman's Poet
isbn number 0-9702386-8-1This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as well
as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning the
content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie. Illustrations
include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
alternative tunes.The book can be obtained from:Hutman Productions
PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
21090 USACost: $9.55
Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
             $2.00 Book RateIf outside the USA inquire: [unmask]We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
The book will be available in the near future from
http://www.amazon.com
....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they do deal
with other currencys and credit cards...We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help inspire
others and give a bit of life to the tradition.Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to stay!".
In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy composed
and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"Thanks for your time today!
Questions: [unmask]Conrad Bladey
--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

                              Happy Ed Cray's Birthday                                     July 3rd           (Once people reach a certain elderly position, unless they
            dance professionally in a strip club, of course, I'm not
            sure it's entirely tactful to reveal the exact year but
            that does not reduce the import to celebrate, does it?)He might just remember events of an earlier birthday:Santiago, Cuba: The US destroys the Spanish fleet= 7/3/1898        'Twas in Manila, boys, our ships the foe did meet.
        We didn't need a hurricane to wreck,
        To wreck the Spanish fleet,
        But just one Dewey morning, and our victory was complete,
        As we were marching to Cuba.        Chorus: Hurrah! Hurrah!
                Hurrah! We'll sound the jubilee.
                Hurrah ! Boys, Cuba shall be free,
                And we'll sing the chorus from Mt. Gretna to the sea,
                While we are marching to Cuba.                                from "Marching to Cuba"
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

Amazing value! I want two copies sent here in the UK forthwith so I suppose
I order them from [unmask]
 who will tell me how much the international postage is, yes?
Cheers
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: NEW! Tommy Armstrong Songbook> Greetings good people!
> With the recent wet weather I have retreated from my artcar studio to get
> things edited. This new project will make the songs and recitations
> available once again. Currently collections are very hard to get. Some are
> rare. Our collection contains first hand accounts never before published,
> commentary, lyrics, notation and illustrations. Even a recipe for game pie
> from the tradition in case anyone wants to make a hedgehog or cat one!
> Sources of the lyrics varry. Many from the song book compiled by Tommy's
> Son but others from the oral tradition as remembered. Alternative notation
> and song titles are given as well as a complete bibliography. We are
> working on a cd of the tunes which may take a "bit" time.
> Recitations are also included from original sources.
>
> We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
Hutman
> Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire night
> which is currently being put together.
>
> Here are the details....
>
> A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> The Pitman's Poet
> isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
>
> This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as well
> as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning the
> content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie. Illustrations
> include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> alternative tunes.
>
> The book can be obtained from:
>
> Hutman Productions
> PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> 21090 USA
>
> Cost: $9.55
> Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
>              $2.00 Book Rate
>
> If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
>
> We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> The book will be available in the near future from
> http://www.amazon.com
> ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they do
deal
> with other currencys and credit cards...
>
> We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help inspire
> others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
>
> Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
stay!".
> In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
>
> We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy composed
> and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
>
> Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
>
> Thanks for your time today!
> Questions: [unmask]
>
> Conrad Bladey
> --
> "I had to walk down the road with
> my throat a little dry
> ranting like Jimmy Durante
> My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> And my debts were all outstanding
> outstanding
> In a field of debts outstanding
> my outraged heart was handy
> at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
>

Folks:Just to clarify this -- I do not shudder at my years -- I was born in 1933.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Abby Sale <[unmask]>
Date: Thursday, July 3, 2003 7:23 am
Subject: Happy Edz Birthday>                              Happy Ed Cray's Birthday
>
>                                     July 3rd
>
>           (Once people reach a certain elderly position, unless they
>            dance professionally in a strip club, of course, I'm not
>            sure it's entirely tactful to reveal the exact year but
>            that does not reduce the import to celebrate, does it?)
>
>
> He might just remember events of an earlier birthday:
>
> Santiago, Cuba: The US destroys the Spanish fleet= 7/3/1898
>
>        'Twas in Manila, boys, our ships the foe did meet.
>        We didn't need a hurricane to wreck,
>        To wreck the Spanish fleet,
>        But just one Dewey morning, and our victory was complete,
>        As we were marching to Cuba.
>
>        Chorus: Hurrah! Hurrah!
>                Hurrah! We'll sound the jubilee.
>                Hurrah ! Boys, Cuba shall be free,
>                And we'll sing the chorus from Mt. Gretna to the sea,
>                While we are marching to Cuba.
>
>                                from "Marching to Cuba"
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
>                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
>                        Boycott South Carolina!
>        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml
>
>
>

I shall have uk postage as soon as I can get to the post office to have it
calculated. Thanks for your interest.
Conrad BladeySimon Furey wrote:
>
> Amazing value! I want two copies sent here in the UK forthwith so I suppose
> I order them from [unmask]
>  who will tell me how much the international postage is, yes?
> Cheers
> Simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:05 PM
> Subject: NEW! Tommy Armstrong Songbook
>
> > Greetings good people!
> > With the recent wet weather I have retreated from my artcar studio to get
> > things edited. This new project will make the songs and recitations
> > available once again. Currently collections are very hard to get. Some are
> > rare. Our collection contains first hand accounts never before published,
> > commentary, lyrics, notation and illustrations. Even a recipe for game pie
> > from the tradition in case anyone wants to make a hedgehog or cat one!
> > Sources of the lyrics varry. Many from the song book compiled by Tommy's
> > Son but others from the oral tradition as remembered. Alternative notation
> > and song titles are given as well as a complete bibliography. We are
> > working on a cd of the tunes which may take a "bit" time.
> > Recitations are also included from original sources.
> >
> > We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
> Hutman
> > Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire night
> > which is currently being put together.
> >
> > Here are the details....
> >
> > A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> > The Pitman's Poet
> > isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> >
> > This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as well
> > as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> > song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning the
> > content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie. Illustrations
> > include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> > celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> > alternative tunes.
> >
> > The book can be obtained from:
> >
> > Hutman Productions
> > PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> > 21090 USA
> >
> > Cost: $9.55
> > Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> >              $2.00 Book Rate
> >
> > If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> >
> > We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> > The book will be available in the near future from
> > http://www.amazon.com
> > ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they do
> deal
> > with other currencys and credit cards...
> >
> > We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help inspire
> > others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> >
> > Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> > In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
> stay!".
> > In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> >
> > We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy composed
> > and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
> >
> > Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> >
> > Thanks for your time today!
> > Questions: [unmask]
> >
> > Conrad Bladey
> > --
> > "I had to walk down the road with
> > my throat a little dry
> > ranting like Jimmy Durante
> > My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> > And my debts were all outstanding
> > outstanding
> > In a field of debts outstanding
> > my outraged heart was handy
> > at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> > and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
> >--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

I will have the uk postage shortly. Many thanks for your interest.
ConradSimon Furey wrote:
>
> Amazing value! I want two copies sent here in the UK forthwith so I suppose
> I order them from [unmask]
>  who will tell me how much the international postage is, yes?
> Cheers
> Simon--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

Hi!        Now that the smoke has cleared from the fireworks, here is the
weekly list. :-)        SONGSTERS        3533322584 - SOUTHERN AND WESTERN SONGSTER, 1831, $9.50 (ends
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undated, $4.99 (ends Jul-06-03 19:07:38 PDT)        2182215609 - Lowery and Morgan's Mighty Minstrel Songster, 1908,
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Greetings!
I extracted myself from the wonderful Smithsonian Folklife Festival where I
had the best of times talking folk music with a few guys from
Scotland.....how refreshing after being locked up in suburbia for so long.!Just calculated the postage for the book of sangs...Postage to UK via air= $4.00
Base price of book- $9.50
Us dollars only in check, money order or cash.
book details follow:> > > We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
> > Hutman
> > > Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire night
> > > which is currently being put together.
> > >
> > > Here are the details....
> > >
> > > A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> > > The Pitman's Poet
> > > isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> > >
> > > This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as well
> > > as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> > > song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning the
> > > content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie. Illustrations
> > > include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> > > celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> > > alternative tunes.
> > >
> > > The book can be obtained from:
> > >
> > > Hutman Productions
> > > PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> > > 21090 USA
> > >
> > > Cost: $9.50
> > > Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> > >              $1.42 Book Rate
> > >
> > > If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> > >
> > > We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> > > The book will be available in the near future from
> > > http://www.amazon.com
> > > ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they do
> > deal
> > > with other currencys and credit cards...
> > >
> > > We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help inspire
> > > others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> > >
> > > Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> > > In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
> > stay!".
> > > In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> > >
> > > We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy composed
> > > and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
> > >
> > > Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time today!
> > > Questions: [unmask]
> > >
> > > Conrad Bladey--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

Hi Conrad,
Thanks for the information. My order will be in the post shortly.
Cheers
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Tommy Armstrong Songbook UK Shipping> Greetings!
> I extracted myself from the wonderful Smithsonian Folklife Festival where
I
> had the best of times talking folk music with a few guys from
> Scotland.....how refreshing after being locked up in suburbia for so
long.!
>
> Just calculated the postage for the book of sangs...
>
> Postage to UK via air= $4.00
> Base price of book- $9.50
> Us dollars only in check, money order or cash.
> book details follow:
>
>
> > > > We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
> > > Hutman
> > > > Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire
night
> > > > which is currently being put together.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the details....
> > > >
> > > > A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> > > > The Pitman's Poet
> > > > isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> > > >
> > > > This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as
well
> > > > as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> > > > song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning
the
> > > > content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie.
Illustrations
> > > > include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> > > > celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> > > > alternative tunes.
> > > >
> > > > The book can be obtained from:
> > > >
> > > > Hutman Productions
> > > > PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> > > > 21090 USA
> > > >
> > > > Cost: $9.50
> > > > Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> > > >              $1.42 Book Rate
> > > >
> > > > If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> > > >
> > > > We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> > > > The book will be available in the near future from
> > > > http://www.amazon.com
> > > > ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they
do
> > > deal
> > > > with other currencys and credit cards...
> > > >
> > > > We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help
inspire
> > > > others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> > > >
> > > > Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> > > > In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
> > > stay!".
> > > > In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> > > >
> > > > We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy
composed
> > > > and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
> > > >
> > > > Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your time today!
> > > > Questions: [unmask]
> > > >
> > > > Conrad Bladey
>
> --
> "I had to walk down the road with
> my throat a little dry
> ranting like Jimmy Durante
> My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> And my debts were all outstanding
> outstanding
> In a field of debts outstanding
> my outraged heart was handy
> at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
>

Sorry folks - private message. I forgot to change the "to" address to point
to Conrad.
I shall write out 100 times "I must check before I press the SEND button"
Cheers
Simon

I thank you very much.
ConradSimon Furey wrote:
>
> Hi Conrad,
> Thanks for the information. My order will be in the post shortly.
> Cheers
> Simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:21 PM
> Subject: Tommy Armstrong Songbook UK Shipping
>
> > Greetings!
> > I extracted myself from the wonderful Smithsonian Folklife Festival where
> I
> > had the best of times talking folk music with a few guys from
> > Scotland.....how refreshing after being locked up in suburbia for so
> long.!
> >
> > Just calculated the postage for the book of sangs...
> >
> > Postage to UK via air= $4.00
> > Base price of book- $9.50
> > Us dollars only in check, money order or cash.
> > book details follow:
> >
> >
> > > > > We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
> > > > Hutman
> > > > > Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire
> night
> > > > > which is currently being put together.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are the details....
> > > > >
> > > > > A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> > > > > The Pitman's Poet
> > > > > isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> > > > >
> > > > > This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as
> well
> > > > > as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> > > > > song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning
> the
> > > > > content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie.
> Illustrations
> > > > > include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> > > > > celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> > > > > alternative tunes.
> > > > >
> > > > > The book can be obtained from:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hutman Productions
> > > > > PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> > > > > 21090 USA
> > > > >
> > > > > Cost: $9.50
> > > > > Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> > > > >              $1.42 Book Rate
> > > > >
> > > > > If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > > We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> > > > > The book will be available in the near future from
> > > > > http://www.amazon.com
> > > > > ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they
> do
> > > > deal
> > > > > with other currencys and credit cards...
> > > > >
> > > > > We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help
> inspire
> > > > > others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> > > > > In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
> > > > stay!".
> > > > > In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> > > > >
> > > > > We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy
> composed
> > > > > and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your time today!
> > > > > Questions: [unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > > Conrad Bladey
> >
> > --
> > "I had to walk down the road with
> > my throat a little dry
> > ranting like Jimmy Durante
> > My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> > And my debts were all outstanding
> > outstanding
> > In a field of debts outstanding
> > my outraged heart was handy
> > at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> > and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
> >--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

I am new to the list, so accept my apologies in advance if this topic has already been addressed.For my Masters project, I am researching "Pretty Polly" from its inception as a British broadside c. 1726 up to the present, with as many variants as I can find. I have encountered a hole in the research from about 1850 to about 1890. I'm looking for resources, collections, etc. of ballads from Southern Appalachia during this time.I can't seem to find a clear starting point of the folk song after its initial printing as a broadside ballad under the name "The Gosport Tragedy" and/or "The Cruel Ship-Carpenter". In particular, I'm stymied with the process of how it went from a 34-verse printed broadside to a 9-verse popular folk ballad.Any resources or directions you can suggest would be most appreciated!Beth Brooks
Indiana University at Indianapolis
[unmask]

Beth Brooks wrote:
>
> I am new to the list, so accept my apologies in advance if this topic has already been addressed.
>
> For my Masters project, I am researching "Pretty Polly" from its inception as a British broadside c. 1726 up to the present, with as many variants as I can find. I have encountered a hole in the research from about 1850 to about 1890. I'm looking for resources, collections, etc. of ballads from Southern Appalachia during this time.
>
> I can't seem to find a clear starting point of the folk song after its initial printing as a broadside ballad under the name "The Gosport Tragedy" and/or "The Cruel Ship-Carpenter". In particular, I'm stymied with the process of how it went from a 34-verse printed broadside to a 9-verse popular folk ballad.
>
> Any resources or directions you can suggest would be most appreciated!
>
> Beth Brooks
> Indiana University at Indianapolis
> [unmask]Listed in Laws P 36A and B, and Steve Roud's folk song and broadside
ballad indexes.  All or almost all known texts, traditional and
broadside, are in his folk song and broadside ballad indexes at Roud
#15.Many ballads were rewritten time and again, by unknown persons and at
dates for which we can only make an educated guess. I don't believe that
oral transmission had much to do with what might be called major
variants of ballads. I think most of these were rewritten for commercial
publication, althought talented traditional singers seem to have
produced some of the major variants. My views, to those that worship the
concept of 'oral transmission' will undoubtably be denounced as
heretical.John Moulden recently pointed out a major variant of "The Golden
Vanity", which was undoubtably the work of Lena Boure Fish, and asked a
question concerning (the many) literary touches in it, to which it would
have been impolitic to reply, and so will probably never be answered.Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
broadside ballads at my website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

----- Original Message -----
From: Beth Brooks <[unmask]><<I am new to the list, so accept my apologies in advance if this topic has
already been addressed.For my Masters project, I am researching "Pretty Polly" from its inception
as a British broadside c. 1726 up to the present, with as many variants as I
can find. I have encountered a hole in the research from about 1850 to about
1890. I'm looking for resources, collections, etc. of ballads from Southern
Appalachia during this time.I can't seem to find a clear starting point of the folk song after its
initial printing as a broadside ballad under the name "The Gosport Tragedy"
and/or "The Cruel Ship-Carpenter". In particular, I'm stymied with the
process of how it went from a 34-verse printed broadside to a 9-verse
popular folk ballad.Any resources or directions you can suggest would be most appreciated! >>Hi Beth:One important link is B. F. Shelton's 1927 recording of "Pretty Polly"
(Victor 35838). This was a very popular recording (deservedly so; it's a
brilliant performance), and it was influential enough that virtually every
American version collected since then traces its ancestry back to the
Shelton recording.That doesn't really address the hole in your collection, 1850-1890, but it
does provide a starting point (or perhaps I should say a re-starting point)
for dissemination of the now-canonical version. Earlier versions appear in
Wyman & Brockway's "Lonesome Tunes: Folk Songs from the Kentucky Mountains"
and "Twenty Kentucky Mountain Songs", published in 1916 and 1920,
respectively. Both versions show similarity to Shelton's recording; he was a
Kentucky singer.Peace,
Paul

Dear Beth:
Your broadside of 34 stanzas seems to be the one in Peter Buchan's Gleanings
(1825), pp. 46-51, titled "The Gosport Tragedy", begins "In Gosport of late
a young damsel did dwell".  A much truncated version in
Christie, Trad. Ballad Airs, II.98 (6x4 lines) with the music.  PB has
undoubtedly some verbal changes, while Christie jas the gist - his tunes
remember are a bit suspect.  Is this useful? Not much to do with Appalachia,
though.
Murray Shoolbraid

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>  From [unmask] Tue Jul  8 16:50:18 2003
>  Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:26:36 EDT
>  From: [unmask]
>  Subject: Re: seeking Appalachian ballad collections, 1850-1890>  Other than through ballad sheets and songsters this period might be addressed
>  through Shape Note hymnals. As George Pullen Jackson has documented,
>  spiritual songs used in the Southern Mountains tended to be founded upon secular
>  matrices, most often using tunes, but also the pattern of a "love" song in an
>  almost parodic fashion. I'm aware that most such hymnals were in fairly established
>  shape by 1850 but a look at items arriving new into later editiions or into
>  new compilations might give some clue.
>
>  Having written that, I've just looked at the three of GPJ's publications I
>  have and find nothing obvious.
>
>  John MouldenDunno if GPJ notes it, but we've had it pointed out to us at a northern
singing school with a southern guest teacher that "The Church's Desolation" is
a version of "Barbara Allen" (not a version I recognized til told, though).I have a list of Sacred Harp tune sections that resemble tune sections of
ballads (not often the whole ballad tune all the way through though) but I
don't have it here.One that I don't want to think of while singing Sacred Harp is "The Night
Before Larry Was Stretched" as sung by Frank Hart(e?); it resembles in the last
lines of the verse the SH song that ends "bound by the cords of his love"
(& they don't mean a hangman, folks).  Of course, "Stretched" has got to be
a parody of a ballad I don't know, whereas the SH song is a
"hymn to the same tune" rather than a parody.Another song, not in Sacred Harp that I know of, but practically a signature
song from Lloyd's hymnal (a words-only hymn book; you have to hear the song
sung to get the tune) for the Lee family of Georgia is "I Walked Abroad One
Morning Fair".  Tune is very close to "Early Early In The Spring" as sung by
Robert Cinnamond on the one Cinnamond tape I have (boy would I like more).Needless to say I can't learn the ballad tune because its too close to the
hymn tune to me, & I can't sing the hymn unless with a large group because
I'm Jewish & I don't want people to get the wrong idea, but I certainly am
not gonna sing the ballad words to the hymn tune, even though its almost
the same tune; not to me.If anyone ever wants them, ask me for my list of "same tune!" songs, some
of which, but certainly not all,  are Sacred Harp songs vs ballads.  Somehow,
no-one ever wants them (sob).  Maybe its the little pieces of paper I have
yet to transcribe them from.

I've seen a few sets of variant words to this Appalachian song, featuring
Yandro's high hill, including one (sheet music) with the charming tune,
"arranged by Van A. Christy", "by permission of Summy-Birchard Publishing
Co.", no date. I was intrigued by this song as it is one of the many "shoe
your foot" remnants of the Child ballad I call "Fair Annie of Loch Ryan".
Question is, what's the background on the Southern song??
Murray Shoolbraid

----- Original Message -----
From: Murray Shoolbraid <[unmask]><<I've seen a few sets of variant words to this Appalachian song, featuring
Yandro's high hill, including one (sheet music) with the charming tune,
"arranged by Van A. Christy", "by permission of Summy-Birchard Publishing
Co.", no date. I was intrigued by this song as it is one of the many "shoe
your foot" remnants of the Child ballad I call "Fair Annie of Loch Ryan".
Question is, what's the background on the Southern song??>>The problem is that it's not one song, it's an entire family of songs with
lyrics that float between each other; they are, in essence, collections of
floating verses with only a ghost of a plot. Robert Waltz's note in the
Traditional Ballad Index listing for the song that we called "Fare You Well,
My Own True Love (The Storms Are on the Ocean, The False True Lover,
The True Lover's Farewell, Red Rosy Bush, Turtle Dove)":"This song is officially a catch-all. The problem is, what to do with all
the lost love pieces *with* some hint of a plot plus the floating element
"Who will shoe your pretty little foot." After some hesitation, we decided
on a four-part primary division (with some exceptions):* "The Lass of Roch Royal" for the ballad of that title
* "Who Will Shoe Your Pretty Little Foot" for fragments too short to
classify at all
* "Mary Anne" for the versions specifically about that girl
* This, for everything else.There probably are recensional variants within this song family; it's just
too big and too complex. But the particular items are such a mess that we
finally gave up trying to sort them. - RBW"Among the titles indexed under this catch-all listing, in addition to those
listed in our portmanteau title, are "Ten Thousand Miles" and "It's Hard to
Leave You, Sweet Love". Versions of this song have also been included in
ballad collections subsumed under "Lass of Roch Royal" and "Lady Alice",
although that's generally considered a different song.The title "He's Gone Away" may have been first used by Sandburg; his version
came from North Carolina, and he ascribes it to British origin (presumably
"Lass of Roch Royal") and "southern negro" influences, but he also notes
that versions are found all over the southeast, mentioning "Ten Thousand
Miles" as an alternate title. And the "Who's gonna shoe..." verse may well
have been a floater that drifted into "Lass of Roch Royal" and stuck, even
after the plot of that song was lost.In other words, this is one of those songs whose history and geneology is,
to use the technical term, a mess.Peace,
Paul

Hi        I hope that everyone is staying cool! Meanwhile, fire up your
browser and look at these auctions.        SONGSTERS        3617046824 - MERCHANT'S GARGLING OIL SONGSTER, Seller claims
1833 data but I think that is wrong. 1883 may be more accurate. $9.99
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$5 (ends Jul-13-03 09:27:27 PDT)        3535353302 - The Ballad Book-A Selection of the Choicest British
Ballads by Allingham, 1865, $12.95 (ends Jul-13-03 14:19:51 PDT)        3535416875 - SONGS OF THE SAILOR AND LUMBERMAN by Doerflinger,
1990 edition, $9.99 (ends Jul-13-03 17:49:32 PDT)        3535515290 - The Oxford Book of Ballads by Quiller-Couch, 1941
reprint, 3 GBP (ends Jul-13-03 22:53:11 PDT)        2544243757 - the minstrelsy of the scottish highlands by Moffat,
1910?, 2.99 GBP (ends Jul-15-03 08:41:29 PDT)        3535980610 - Shanties and Sailor's Songs by Hugill, 1969, 14.99
GBP (ends Jul-15-03 13:30:05 PDT)        3536005550 - PENNSYLVANIA SONGS & LEGENDS by Korson, 1949, $9.99
(ends Jul-15-03 14:51:20 PDT)        2544532467 - Songs and Ballads of Northern England by Walton,
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1976, $10.50 AU (ends Jul-17-03 09:50:14 PDT)        3536609729 - A Ballad History of Ireland by McHale, 1908, $0.25
(25 cents!) (ends Jul-17-03 15:28:37 PDT)        3536460187 - English Folk Songs by Sharp, 2 volumes, 1952
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Jul-20-03 17:16:16 PDT)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]><<        3617046824 - MERCHANT'S GARGLING OIL SONGSTER, Seller claims
1833 data but I think that is wrong. 1883 may be more accurate. $9.99
(ends Jul-14-03 08:42:22 PDT0>>Looking at the item, I think the seller mistook the "Established 1833" slug
on the songster for an issue date.Peace,
Paul

Bruce Olson wrote:
>
> Jack Campin previously gave a click-on to the Colonial Music
> Institute website in connection with a CD of the 'Early American
> Secular Music and Its European Sources, 1589-1839' (EASMES).
> Besides being able to buy the CD version ($25) one can now search
> it on-line. Below is a click-on to the on-line version.
>
> <A href= "http://www.colonialdancing.org/Easmes/Index.htm"> Index
> Main Page </A> Click at top of page on chosen Subject (Sources,
> Gernres, Texts, Incipits, Stressed Notes, Intervals, Names,
> Theater Works) to search. To search for titles or first lines,
> chose 'Texts'.
> /EASMES/ in the URL given above has been changed to /Easmes/ so the
link given above no longer works. The new one is:
<A href= "http://www.colonialdancing.org/Easmes/Index.htm"> Easmes
</A>Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

Hi!        Here I am again! There are several interesting items this week
especially the offerings of one particular seller.        SONGSTERS        2183378536 - Lookout Mountain Songster No. 2, $4.99 (ends
Jul-18-03 03:28:24 PDT)        3536821029 - The Charms of Melody, 1798-1800, $1.25 (ends
Jul-18-03 11:35:18 PDT)        3537410870 - The Forget-Me-Not Songster, seller gives 1872 date
because it is handwritten inside but I think this is earlier, $20.50
(ends Jul-18-03 12:47:31 PDT)        3536758656 - THE UNIVERSAL SONGSTER or MUSEUM OF MIRTH, 3
volumes, 1850?, $180 (ends Jul-21-03 06:37:15 PDT)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        3536906303 - Ballads Old and New by Hulton, 1968, $7.99 (ends
Jul-16-03 17:47:04 PDT)        3536621091 - Songs and Ballads of the Maine Lumberjacks by Gray,
1924, $13.94 (ends Jul-17-03 16:18:17 PDT)        3536698246 - NEW YORK: SONGS OF THE CITY by Groce, 1999, $14.95
(ends Jul-17-03 20:23:16 PDT)        2545057998 - Sea Shanties by Chugg, $7.99 (ends Jul-19-03
00:10:54 PDT)        3537059932 - Ancient Poems, Ballads and Songs of the Peasantry
of England by Bell, 1857, $24.99 (ends Jul-19-03 10:41:12 PDT)        3537144108 - Proceedings of the Vermont Historical Society,
June, 1939, contains 3 articles by Flanders, $5 (ends Jul-19-03 16:05:13
PDT)        2545192232 - FAVOURITE SONGS OF NEWFOUNDLAND by Mills, 1969,
$4.99 (ends Jul-19-03 16:36:34 PDT)        3537344993 - The Old Songs of Skye: Frances Tolmie and her
Circle by Bassin, 1977, 1 GBP (ends Jul-20-03 10:14:28 PDT)        3537348974 - The Songs of Scotland by Graham, 1849, 1 GBP (ends
Jul-20-03 10:24:34 PDT)        3537350897 - Folksong and Music Hall by Lee, 1982, 1 GBP (ends
Jul-20-03 10:29:16 PDT)        3537352975 - THE BALLAD MINSTRELSY OF SCOTLAND by Gardner, 1893,
1 GBP (ends Jul-20-03 10:34:13 PDT)        3537355153 - English County Songs by Broadwood, 1893, 1 GBP
(ends Jul-20-03 10:39:48 PDT)        3537474778 - Border Minstrelsy by Scott, 1833 printing, 4.99 GBP
(ends Jul-20-03 15:36:46 PDT)        3537519017 - Afro-American Folksongs by Krehbiel, 1920 edition,
$9.95 (ends Jul-20-03 17:47:08 PDT)        2545449230 - Rambling Blues: The Life and Songs of Charlie
Poole by Rorrer, 1992, $7.99 (ends Jul-20-03 18:15:46 PDT)        3233482268 - THE BALLADISTS by Geddie, 1900?, $5 (ends Jul-20-03
18:40:00 PDT)        3536673849 - HULLABALOO AND OTHER SINGING FOLK DANCES by Chase,
1949, $9.99 (ends Jul-20-03 19:10:02 PDT)        3537601003 - Folk-Songs, Chanteys And Singing Games by
Farnsworth & Sharp, 1909, $24.95 (ends Jul-20-03 20:39:35 PDT)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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Subscribers to my Folk Song and Broadside Indexes will be pleased (I hope) to
learn that I have at last produced a major update, which will be mailed out in
the next few days.
If you subscribe and haven't received the CD-Rom within about two weeks,
please contact me on my new email address: [unmask]
In particular: If I met you at last year's AFS meeting at Rochester, and took
your money or agreed a swap, please conract me to check that I have your
details - I seem to have lost a few stray pieces of paper from that time...
Regards
Steve Roud

Thanks, Steve, I'll be watching for it.
Norm----- Original Message -----
From: <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:59 PM
Subject: Folk Song Index> Subscribers to my Folk Song and Broadside Indexes will be pleased (I hope)
to
> learn that I have at last produced a major update, which will be mailed
out in
> the next few days.
> If you subscribe and haven't received the CD-Rom within about two weeks,
> please contact me on my new email address: [unmask]
> In particular: If I met you at last year's AFS meeting at Rochester, and
took
> your money or agreed a swap, please conract me to check that I have your
> details - I seem to have lost a few stray pieces of paper from that
time...
> Regards
> Steve Roud
>

Steve,
We aren't sure whether we are subscribers or not to your index. We do have a
copy on CD-ROM which you sent us some months ago, after we discovered it at
the Library of Congress's Folklore Center. Yes, we would like to have a copy
of the update.
Have you considered putting the index on-line? We could give you some help
on that task if you would like. We could easily convert it to a HTML
database from Access, ands it would be completely searchable using Google.
We did that with both the EASMES and the Dancing Master databases that we
put on the web and on CD-ROM.
Best regards,
Kate Van Winkle Keller and Robert M. Keller
----- Original Message -----
From: <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: Folk Song Index> Subscribers to my Folk Song and Broadside Indexes will be pleased (I hope)
to
> learn that I have at last produced a major update, which will be mailed
out in
> the next few days.
> If you subscribe and haven't received the CD-Rom within about two weeks,
> please contact me on my new email address: [unmask]
> In particular: If I met you at last year's AFS meeting at Rochester, and
took
> your money or agreed a swap, please conract me to check that I have your
> details - I seem to have lost a few stray pieces of paper from that
time...
> Regards
> Steve Roud
>

I got my July 2003 CD-Rom version of Steve Roud's indexes yesterday.
It's now loaded into my ASKSAM data system.I get for the broadside index 122,534 records, and for the folk
song index 118,355 records. I once had a data reading error, and
read in one block of one data file twice. When someone has their files
entered into their data system, would they please check my
numbers.Bruce Olson--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

Bruce Olson wrote:
>
> I get for the broadside index 122,534 records, and for the folk
> song index 118,355 records. ......
>...... When someone has their files
> entered into their data system, would they please check my
> numbers.
>Cancel that request. I've heard directly from Steve Roud that I have the
correct number of records for both indexes entered into my database
system.
Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old British Isles popular and folk songs, tunes,
and broadside ballads at Bruce Olson's website <A
href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw"> Click </a>

Good People:On a humid Sunday morning in Santa Monica, I take time out write a
notice of listmember Ron Cohen's recent book, _Rainbow Quest: The Folk
Music Revival and American Society, 1940-1970_ (University of
Massachusetts Press, 2002).Mark this a "notice" and not a "review" for any review by me would be
spattered with conflicts of interest.  Cohen and I are friends and, more
recently, colleagues, as I am editing an anthology of essays for a
series Cohen guides for Scarcecrow Press.  Moreover, I owe him my thanks
for his help in locating people whom I could interview for my
forthcoming biography of Woody Guthrie.  Not for nothing do I call him
"folk music central" in the acknowledgements in _Ramblin' Man._That out of the way, let me say that _Rainbow Quest_ is an encyclopedic
history of the urban folk revival.  Indeed, it is so detailed that at
times it feels like biography.  Cohen seems not to have missed a
concert, festival, recording session, or chance meeting that took place
in the thirty years he covers -- including a handful in which I was
involved.  (Full disclosure: I am listed in the index once. [Only once,
Cohen??!!?] I am also credited in the acknowledgements for making
suggestions after reading an early draft of an even more encyclopedic
manuscript.)Cohen's mastery of the period -- he is by training a historian -- is
clear.  The sweep, the comprehensive nature of his research, the sheer
detail would seem to make this as THE first source for a history of the
period.  (Neil Rosenberg's _Transforming Tradition_ [U of Illinois] is
more analytical, and Robert Cantell's _When We Were Good_ (Harvard) more
idiosyncratic.  Norm Cohen's _Folk Song America: A 20th Century Revival_
in just 105 pages is necessarily compressed, written to accompany a
Smithsonian record set, but manages the sweep of Ron Cohen's
ingathering.  [The Cohens are related only by biblical ancestors.])While Cohen ends his history in 1970, I suspect that for most of the
folks on ballad-l, this will be a book of current affairs.  Hey, that is
us he is writing about.  In short, Ron Cohen has given us a vital
history of our times.I should add there is a sad note here, an almost page by page reminder
for those of us of a certain age, just how many of our friends and
acquaintances  -- people who made the revival sing -- are no longer with
us.   Recall Paul Clayton and Peter La Farge and Richard Farina, Dave
Van Ronk and Billy Faier and John Fahey, not to mention those of an
older generation such as Woody Guthrie and Lee Hays.In short, Ron Cohen has given us a vital history of our times.Ed

Hi!        Ed - Northern Virginia can match your hot and humid any summer
day (with thunder storms) :-( Here (from my air-conditioned comfort) is
this week's list.        SONGSTERS        3538458238 - Sweet Songster, 1854, $2.99 (ends Jul-23-03
18:04:25 PDT)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        3538421565 - English Folk Songs by Sharp, 1959 edition, 7.50 GBP
w/reserve (ends Jul-21-03 15:47:16 PDT)        3233941931 - With His Pistol in His Hand A Border Ballad and
It's Hero by Paredes, 2000 edition, $3.99 (ends Jul-21-03 16:53:29 PDT)        3537836115 - Echoes of Africa In Folk Songs of the Americas by
Landeck, 1969, $1 (ends Jul-21-03 17:15:12 PDT)        2545733950 - THE MINSTRELSY OF ENGLAND by Moffat, 1901, 1 GBP
(ends Jul-22-03 03:58:16 PDT)        3537968964 - THE MINSTRELSY OF ENGLAND by Duncan, 1905, 2.50 GBP
(ends Jul-22-03 06:53:01 PDT)        3538764370 - English Folk Songs from Southern Appalachians by
Sharp, 2 volumes, 1952 edition, $51 (ends Jul-22-03 16:49:04 PDT)        3538170571 - Legendary Romantic Ballads of Scotland by Mackay,
1861, $9.95 (ends Jul-22-03 18:43:47 PDT)        3538189540 - American Naval Songs & Ballads by Neeser, 1938,
$24.99 (ends Jul-22-03 19:30:40 PDT)        2546001702 - Eighty English Folk Songs from the Southern
Appalachians by Sharp & Karpeles, 1968 edition, $6.50 (ends Jul-23-03
09:30:46 PDT)        3233907401 - Religious Folk Songs of the Negro as Sung on the
Plantations by Fenner, 1909, $29.99 (ends Jul-23-03 12:38:23 PDT)        3538642751 - Irish Street Ballads by O'Lochlainn, 1958, $9.95
(ends Jul-24-03 10:57:17 PDT)        3538809324 - The Common Muse British Ballad Poetry by de Sola
Pinto & Rodway, 1957, $4.95 (ends Jul-24-03 18:50:33 PDT)        3538847182 - Folk Songs of Old New England by Linscott, 1939,
$9.99 (ends Jul-24-03 20:41:02 PDT)        2546512316 - Walter Peterson Mountain Ballads and Old Time
Songs, 1931, $10.50 (ends Jul-25-03 13:58:06 PDT)        3539043061 - Tocher Tales, Songs, Traditions by School of
Scottish Studies, 6 issues, 1971-1976, $9 (ends Jul-25-03 17:57:47 PDT)        2546571420 - Richard Runciman Terry's The Shanty Book, 2
volumes, $29.99 (ends Jul-25-03 22:13:22 PDT)        3538377149 - BALLADS OF THE FORTY-FIVE by Meller, 1914, 4.99 GBP
w/reserve (ends Jul-26-03 13:02:10 PDT)        3538677460 - VAGABOND SONGS AND BALLADS OF SCOTLAND by Ford,
1904, 10 GBP (ends Jul-27-03 12:18:58 PDT)        2546385299 - Steamboatin' Days: Folk Songs of the River Packet
Era by Wheeler, 1944, $24.99 (ends Jul-27-03 20:01:29 PDT)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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And  in my usual blatant semi-commercial manner, I'd like to point out
that if three or so list members want to purchase this (or any other
book), I can probably supply it at a substantial discount. Please
contact CAMSCO Music (800/548-FOLK [3655]) or E-mail me at [unmask]dick greenhaus)edward cray wrote:>Good People:
>
>On a humid Sunday morning in Santa Monica, I take time out write a
>notice of listmember Ron Cohen's recent book, _Rainbow Quest: The Folk
>Music Revival and American Society, 1940-1970_ (University of
>Massachusetts Press, 2002).
>
>Mark this a "notice" and not a "review" for any review by me would be
>spattered with conflicts of interest.  Cohen and I are friends and, more
>recently, colleagues, as I am editing an anthology of essays for a
>series Cohen guides for Scarcecrow Press.  Moreover, I owe him my thanks
>for his help in locating people whom I could interview for my
>forthcoming biography of Woody Guthrie.  Not for nothing do I call him
>"folk music central" in the acknowledgements in _Ramblin' Man._
>
>That out of the way, let me say that _Rainbow Quest_ is an encyclopedic
>history of the urban folk revival.  Indeed, it is so detailed that at
>times it feels like biography.  Cohen seems not to have missed a
>concert, festival, recording session, or chance meeting that took place
>in the thirty years he covers -- including a handful in which I was
>involved.  (Full disclosure: I am listed in the index once. [Only once,
>Cohen??!!?] I am also credited in the acknowledgements for making
>suggestions after reading an early draft of an even more encyclopedic
>manuscript.)
>
>Cohen's mastery of the period -- he is by training a historian -- is
>clear.  The sweep, the comprehensive nature of his research, the sheer
>detail would seem to make this as THE first source for a history of the
>period.  (Neil Rosenberg's _Transforming Tradition_ [U of Illinois] is
>more analytical, and Robert Cantell's _When We Were Good_ (Harvard) more
>idiosyncratic.  Norm Cohen's _Folk Song America: A 20th Century Revival_
>in just 105 pages is necessarily compressed, written to accompany a
>Smithsonian record set, but manages the sweep of Ron Cohen's
>ingathering.  [The Cohens are related only by biblical ancestors.])
>
>While Cohen ends his history in 1970, I suspect that for most of the
>folks on ballad-l, this will be a book of current affairs.  Hey, that is
>us he is writing about.  In short, Ron Cohen has given us a vital
>history of our times.
>
>I should add there is a sad note here, an almost page by page reminder
>for those of us of a certain age, just how many of our friends and
>acquaintances  -- people who made the revival sing -- are no longer with
>us.   Recall Paul Clayton and Peter La Farge and Richard Farina, Dave
>Van Ronk and Billy Faier and John Fahey, not to mention those of an
>older generation such as Woody Guthrie and Lee Hays.
>
>In short, Ron Cohen has given us a vital history of our times.
>
>Ed
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]>
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:47 pm
Subject: Ebay List - 07/20/03> Hi!
>
>        Ed - Northern Virginia can match your hot and humid any summer
> day (with thunder storms) :-( Here (from my air-conditioned comfort) is
> this week's list.
>
>Dolores:I must say that I envy you the air conditioning.  On this unusual day when the
humidity is higher than the temperature.  Most homes in Santa Monica, and no few
businesses do not have air conditioning.  The mean summertime high is about 72,
and at 11 a.m. a 12-15 knot breeze springs up, cooling us down even
more.  I just open the doors and windows, et voila, the fabled Mediterranean
climate wafts through the condo.Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dolores Nichols" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: 20 July 2003 21:47
Subject: [BALLAD-L] Ebay List - 07/20/03Firstly, I'd like (belatedly) to add my voice to all those who have thanked Dolores for her
extremely helpful work on this. I'm only a very small player, but thanks to her I've managed to get
some books which I could never possibly have afforded if I were buying through more conventional
channels.Secondly; from time to time list members have mentioned when there have been books which they have
been particularly anxious to get hold of. I find myself in that case at present.2545733950 - THE MINSTRELSY OF ENGLAND by Moffat, 1901, 1 GBP
(ends Jul-22-03 03:58:16 PDT)Another copy came up not very long ago, and I think that Dan Milner and I ended up bidding against
each other. I went to sleep at a crucial moment, and missed it! I intend to try again this time
round, but see no point in competing with anyone who is able to bid significantly higher than I, or
who wants it more.Subject mentioned; no favours asked.Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to past discussion) I can report that the English
Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a new selection of songs from Cecil Sharp's
collections in August (have details been posted to the list? I don't recall seeing any, and will add
them if it's useful. The approach is interesting, concentrating on the singers as much as the songs)
but will also be re-issuing the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs later this year, probably in late
October. This will include some additional prefatory material and a new bibliography compiled by
David Atkinson. There will also be supplements to the original notes, mainly providing additional
references and details, where it has been possible to establish them, of the sources of material
introduced into the song texts by the editors (these were not uniformly acknowledged in the original
book, and turn out to be quite complicated); this last task has fallen to me. By popular request,
the book will be printed on acid-free paper.I'll post specifics when they are available. Meanwhile, just in case; does anyone have any idea
where Robert Jackson ("The Ship in Distress") came from? Not, so far as I can tell, from any
traditional or broadside form of the song.Malcolm Douglas---
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Hello Malcolm!If you are unsuccessful with2545733950 - THE MINSTRELSY OF ENGLAND by Moffat,
1901, 1 GBP
(ends Jul-22-03 03:58:16 PDT)You are most welcome to my copy.  This is a book you
will use frequently and I only occasionally.  Consider
it a matter of practicality and not a favor.All the best,
Dan--- Malcolm Douglas <[unmask]>
wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dolores Nichols" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: 20 July 2003 21:47
> Subject: [BALLAD-L] Ebay List - 07/20/03
>
>
> Firstly, I'd like (belatedly) to add my voice to all
> those who have thanked Dolores for her
> extremely helpful work on this. I'm only a very
> small player, but thanks to her I've managed to get
> some books which I could never possibly have
> afforded if I were buying through more conventional
> channels.
>
> Secondly; from time to time list members have
> mentioned when there have been books which they have
> been particularly anxious to get hold of. I find
> myself in that case at present.
>
> 2545733950 - THE MINSTRELSY OF ENGLAND by Moffat,
> 1901, 1 GBP
> (ends Jul-22-03 03:58:16 PDT)
>
> Another copy came up not very long ago, and I think
> that Dan Milner and I ended up bidding against
> each other. I went to sleep at a crucial moment, and
> missed it! I intend to try again this time
> round, but see no point in competing with anyone who
> is able to bid significantly higher than I, or
> who wants it more.
>
> Subject mentioned; no favours asked.
>
> Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to
> past discussion) I can report that the English
> Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a
> new selection of songs from Cecil Sharp's
> collections in August (have details been posted to
> the list? I don't recall seeing any, and will add
> them if it's useful. The approach is interesting,
> concentrating on the singers as much as the songs)
> but will also be re-issuing the Penguin Book of
> English Folk Songs later this year, probably in late
> October. This will include some additional prefatory
> material and a new bibliography compiled by
> David Atkinson. There will also be supplements to
> the original notes, mainly providing additional
> references and details, where it has been possible
> to establish them, of the sources of material
> introduced into the song texts by the editors (these
> were not uniformly acknowledged in the original
> book, and turn out to be quite complicated); this
> last task has fallen to me. By popular request,
> the book will be printed on acid-free paper.
>
> I'll post specifics when they are available.
> Meanwhile, just in case; does anyone have any idea
> where Robert Jackson ("The Ship in Distress") came
> from? Not, so far as I can tell, from any
> traditional or broadside form of the song.
>
>
> Malcolm Douglas
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system
> (http://www.grisoft.com).
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> Date: 01/07/03

Malcolm:Do please tell us more about the forthcoming Sharp editions.  This is good news
indeed and I want to "update" my copies.Ed----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Douglas <[unmask]>
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Ebay List - 07/20/03> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dolores Nichols" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: 20 July 2003 21:47
> Subject: [BALLAD-L] Ebay List - 07/20/03
>
>
> Firstly, I'd like (belatedly) to add my voice to all those who have
> thanked Dolores for her
> extremely helpful work on this. I'm only a very small player, but thanks
> to her I've managed to get
> some books which I could never possibly have afforded if I were buying
> through more conventional
> channels.
>
> Secondly; from time to time list members have mentioned when there have
> been books which they have
> been particularly anxious to get hold of. I find myself in that case at
> present.
> 2545733950 - THE MINSTRELSY OF ENGLAND by Moffat, 1901, 1 GBP
> (ends Jul-22-03 03:58:16 PDT)
>
> Another copy came up not very long ago, and I think that Dan Milner and I
> ended up bidding against
> each other. I went to sleep at a crucial moment, and missed it! I intend
> to try again this time
> round, but see no point in competing with anyone who is able to bid
> significantly higher than I, or
> who wants it more.
>
> Subject mentioned; no favours asked.
>
> Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to past discussion) I
> can report that the English
> Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a new selection of
> songs from Cecil Sharp's
> collections in August (have details been posted to the list? I don't
> recall seeing any, and will add
> them if it's useful. The approach is interesting, concentrating on the
> singers as much as the songs)
> but will also be re-issuing the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs later
> this year, probably in late
> October. This will include some additional prefatory material and a new
> bibliography compiled by
> David Atkinson. There will also be supplements to the original notes,
> mainly providing additional
> references and details, where it has been possible to establish them, of
> the sources of material
> introduced into the song texts by the editors (these were not uniformly
> acknowledged in the original
> book, and turn out to be quite complicated); this last task has fallen to
> me. By popular request,
> the book will be printed on acid-free paper.
>
> I'll post specifics when they are available. Meanwhile, just in case; does
> anyone have any idea
> where Robert Jackson ("The Ship in Distress") came from? Not, so far as I
> can tell, from any
> traditional or broadside form of the song.
>
>
> Malcolm Douglas
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 01/07/03
>
>
>

At 09:30 PM 7/20/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> > Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to past discussion) I
> > can report that the English
> > Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a new selection of
> > songs from Cecil Sharp's
> > collections in August (have details been posted to the list? I don't
> > recall seeing any, and will add
> > them if it's useful. The approach is interesting, concentrating on the
> > singers as much as the songs)......
> > Malcolm Douglas
> >This is wonderful news.  However, I wonder what you mean by "a new
selection of songs from Cecil Sharp's collections"- does this mean it will
not include all the songs from the Oxford edition of English Folksongs from
the Southern Appalachians, but only some of the songs from the book?  In
other words, if one wanted all the variants of each song now included in
the Oxford edition, one would still have to have that edition?  Any further
info is greatly appreciated.  It is wonderful that there will be further
detailed information presented on the singers that are chosen to be
included.  Is it possible yet to tell us approximately how many of the
singers and/or songs from the Oxford edition be represented?
Thank you,
Lisa Johnson

The new Cecil Sharp book is now available. It is published to celebrate 100
years since he collected his first song. It includes 50 songs, all collected
in England, but as noted previously, it foregrounds the singers more than is
usual, with photos and short biographies, and includes an important essay on
Sharp by Vic Gammon The full details are:'Still Growing: English Traditional Songs and Singers from the Cecil Sharp
Collection', compiled & edited by Steve Roud, Eddie Upton, and  Malcolm Taylor
(English Folk Dance & Song Society, 2003) ISBN 0 85418 187 3. Pbk. Illus.
121pp. £12.99.I don't know how much postage would be to the USA, or whether anyone over
there will hold stocks. For further information, contact Malcolm Taylor
[unmask]
or try the website www.efdss.orgRegards
Steve Roud[unmask] wrote:> At 09:30 PM 7/20/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > >
> > > Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to past discussion) I
> > > can report that the English
> > > Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a new selection of
> > > songs from Cecil Sharp's
> > > collections in August (have details been posted to the list? I don't
> > > recall seeing any, and will add
> > > them if it's useful. The approach is interesting, concentrating on the
> > > singers as much as the songs)......
> > > Malcolm Douglas
> > >
>
> This is wonderful news.  However, I wonder what you mean by "a new
> selection of songs from Cecil Sharp's collections"- does this mean it will
> not include all the songs from the Oxford edition of English Folksongs from
> the Southern Appalachians, but only some of the songs from the book?  In
> other words, if one wanted all the variants of each song now included in
> the Oxford edition, one would still have to have that edition?  Any further
> info is greatly appreciated.  It is wonderful that there will be further
> detailed information presented on the singers that are chosen to be
> included.  Is it possible yet to tell us approximately how many of the
> singers and/or songs from the Oxford edition be represented?
> Thank you,
> Lisa Johnson--
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I am interested in obtaining this publication, and expect many others on this list
will also.
Dick Greenhaus, can you supply this at a discount?
Thanks, Thomas Stern[unmask] wrote:> The new Cecil Sharp book is now available. It is published to celebrate 100
> years since he collected his first song. It includes 50 songs, all collected
> in England, but as noted previously, it foregrounds the singers more than is
> usual, with photos and short biographies, and includes an important essay on
> Sharp by Vic Gammon The full details are:
>
> 'Still Growing: English Traditional Songs and Singers from the Cecil Sharp
> Collection', compiled & edited by Steve Roud, Eddie Upton, and  Malcolm Taylor
> (English Folk Dance & Song Society, 2003) ISBN 0 85418 187 3. Pbk. Illus.
> 121pp. £12.99.
>
> I don't know how much postage would be to the USA, or whether anyone over
> there will hold stocks. For further information, contact Malcolm Taylor
> [unmask]
> or try the website www.efdss.org
>
> Regards
> Steve Roud
>
> [unmask] wrote:
>
> > At 09:30 PM 7/20/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to past discussion) I
> > > > can report that the English
> > > > Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a new selection of
> > > > songs from Cecil Sharp's
> > > > collections in August (have details been posted to the list? I don't
> > > > recall seeing any, and will add
> > > > them if it's useful. The approach is interesting, concentrating on the
> > > > singers as much as the songs)......
> > > > Malcolm Douglas
> > > >
> >
> > This is wonderful news.  However, I wonder what you mean by "a new
> > selection of songs from Cecil Sharp's collections"- does this mean it will
> > not include all the songs from the Oxford edition of English Folksongs from
> > the Southern Appalachians, but only some of the songs from the book?  In
> > other words, if one wanted all the variants of each song now included in
> > the Oxford edition, one would still have to have that edition?  Any further
> > info is greatly appreciated.  It is wonderful that there will be further
> > detailed information presented on the singers that are chosen to be
> > included.  Is it possible yet to tell us approximately how many of the
> > singers and/or songs from the Oxford edition be represented?
> > Thank you,
> > Lisa Johnson
>
> --
> Message sent with Supanet E-mail

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----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolm Douglas <[unmask]><<Thirdly, and on an unrelated subject (but further to past discussion) I
can report that the English
Folk Dance and Song Society is not only publishing a new selection of songs
from Cecil Sharp's
collections in August (have details been posted to the list? I don't recall
seeing any, and will add
them if it's useful. The approach is interesting, concentrating on the
singers as much as the songs)
but will also be re-issuing the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs later
this year, probably in late
October. This will include some additional prefatory material and a new
bibliography compiled by
David Atkinson. There will also be supplements to the original notes, mainly
providing additional
references and details, where it has been possible to establish them, of the
sources of material
introduced into the song texts by the editors (these were not uniformly
acknowledged in the original
book, and turn out to be quite complicated); this last task has fallen to
me. By popular request,
the book will be printed on acid-free paper.>>Double hurrah: Hurrah for the reprints, and hurrah for the acid-free paper,
as my copy of the Penguin book is crumbling as we speak.Peace,
Paul

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Steve:My copy arrived in good order (I presume, since I haven't opened it) this
afternoon.  I thank you.Am I correct in stating that my $100 "subscription" has run out?  I have
received the 2001, 2002, and now the 2003 editions.Best to you,An awed Ed Cray----- Original Message -----
From: [unmask]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:59 pm
Subject: Folk Song Index> Subscribers to my Folk Song and Broadside Indexes will be pleased (I hope) to
> learn that I have at last produced a major update, which will be mailed
> out in
> the next few days.
> If you subscribe and haven't received the CD-Rom within about two weeks,
> please contact me on my new email address: [unmask]
> In particular: If I met you at last year's AFS meeting at Rochester, and took
> your money or agreed a swap, please conract me to check that I have your
> details - I seem to have lost a few stray pieces of paper from that time...
> Regards
> Steve Roud
>
>
>

Folks:I apologize for sending a private message to the list rather than solely
to Steve Roud.Ed

Hi!        This listing has turned up on Ebay. It is only a 3 day auction
which closes tomorrow night.        2547109236 - THE MINER SINGS - A Collection of Folk-Songs and
Ballads of the Anthracite Miner by LeMon, 1936, $5 (ends Jul-24-03
19:29:31 PDT)                                Happy Bidding!
                                DoloresP.S. The regular list will probably be posted on Saturday.--
Dolores Nichols                 |
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I notice that the Tommy Armstrong beuk is now available from Amazon.com at
the amazing price of $31!Even though my UK bank charges me GBP7 (i.e. about $10.50) for a bank draft,
it still works out a bit cheaper to buy it from the States.Don't we have any UK booksellers on this list who may like to import a few
copies of books like this? And like the Loomis House Child Ballads books,
too.Peter----- Original Message -----
From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:21 AM
Subject: Tommy Armstrong Songbook UK Shipping> Greetings!
> I extracted myself from the wonderful Smithsonian Folklife Festival where
I
> had the best of times talking folk music with a few guys from
> Scotland.....how refreshing after being locked up in suburbia for so
long.!
>
> Just calculated the postage for the book of sangs...
>
> Postage to UK via air= $4.00
> Base price of book- $9.50
> Us dollars only in check, money order or cash.
> book details follow:
>
>
> > > > We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
> > > Hutman
> > > > Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire
night
> > > > which is currently being put together.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the details....
> > > >
> > > > A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> > > > The Pitman's Poet
> > > > isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> > > >
> > > > This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as
well
> > > > as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> > > > song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning
the
> > > > content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie.
Illustrations
> > > > include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> > > > celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> > > > alternative tunes.
> > > >
> > > > The book can be obtained from:
> > > >
> > > > Hutman Productions
> > > > PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> > > > 21090 USA
> > > >
> > > > Cost: $9.50
> > > > Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> > > >              $1.42 Book Rate
> > > >
> > > > If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> > > >
> > > > We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> > > > The book will be available in the near future from
> > > > http://www.amazon.com
> > > > ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they
do
> > > deal
> > > > with other currencys and credit cards...
> > > >
> > > > We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help
inspire
> > > > others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> > > >
> > > > Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> > > > In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
> > > stay!".
> > > > In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> > > >
> > > > We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy
composed
> > > > and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
> > > >
> > > > Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your time today!
> > > > Questions: [unmask]
> > > >
> > > > Conrad Bladey
>
> --
> "I had to walk down the road with
> my throat a little dry
> ranting like Jimmy Durante
> My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> And my debts were all outstanding
> outstanding
> In a field of debts outstanding
> my outraged heart was handy
> at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
>
>
>

Peter:
Sorry about the amazon price. Unfortunately they charge vendors 55%
overhead. I have a minimum cost and can not afford to absorb that high mark
up. Many people do still use the store front and they do accept other
currencys and credit cards.I have corresponded with Dick Greenhouse concerning this. No reply as yet
but watch this space. Sometimes people mail me dollars cash which seems to
work too. Dick is an excelent person to work with though and I believe he
should be able to help you soon. If not contact me directly at
[unmask]I have been delighted with the initial reviews of the booklet which have
been fantastic. We produce it at a very minimal profit. All proceeds go to
the maintenance of our web pages which cover many folk music and folklore
topics and are available free 24 hours a day 7 days a week. This service
continues to become more and more expensive....thus the motivation to get
more publications out.Thank you for your interest. I hope a UK vendor appears soon.Our main goal is to make these songs available for singing.
Currently it is very hard to find these when a pint is in the hand if you
know what I mean!ConradP & VJ Thorpe wrote:
>
> I notice that the Tommy Armstrong beuk is now available from Amazon.com at
> the amazing price of $31!
>
> Even though my UK bank charges me GBP7 (i.e. about $10.50) for a bank draft,
> it still works out a bit cheaper to buy it from the States.
>
> Don't we have any UK booksellers on this list who may like to import a few
> copies of books like this? And like the Loomis House Child Ballads books,
> too.
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
> To: <[unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:21 AM
> Subject: Tommy Armstrong Songbook UK Shipping
>
> > Greetings!
> > I extracted myself from the wonderful Smithsonian Folklife Festival where
> I
> > had the best of times talking folk music with a few guys from
> > Scotland.....how refreshing after being locked up in suburbia for so
> long.!
> >
> > Just calculated the postage for the book of sangs...
> >
> > Postage to UK via air= $4.00
> > Base price of book- $9.50
> > Us dollars only in check, money order or cash.
> > book details follow:
> >
> >
> > > > > We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to support the
> > > > Hutman
> > > > > Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of Bonfire
> night
> > > > > which is currently being put together.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are the details....
> > > > >
> > > > > A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> > > > > The Pitman's Poet
> > > > > isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> > > > >
> > > > > This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy Armstrong as
> well
> > > > > as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the role of
> > > > > song and story within the culture as well as a commentary concerning
> the
> > > > > content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie.
> Illustrations
> > > > > include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> > > > > celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with notation and
> > > > > alternative tunes.
> > > > >
> > > > > The book can be obtained from:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hutman Productions
> > > > > PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> > > > > 21090 USA
> > > > >
> > > > > Cost: $9.50
> > > > > Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> > > > >              $1.42 Book Rate
> > > > >
> > > > > If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > > We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> > > > > The book will be available in the near future from
> > > > > http://www.amazon.com
> > > > > ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but they
> do
> > > > deal
> > > > > with other currencys and credit cards...
> > > > >
> > > > > We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help
> inspire
> > > > > others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> > > > > In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is here to
> > > > stay!".
> > > > > In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> > > > >
> > > > > We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to Tommy
> composed
> > > > > and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant piece.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your time today!
> > > > > Questions: [unmask]
> > > > >
> > > > > Conrad Bladey
> >
> > --
> > "I had to walk down the road with
> > my throat a little dry
> > ranting like Jimmy Durante
> > My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> > And my debts were all outstanding
> > outstanding
> > In a field of debts outstanding
> > my outraged heart was handy
> > at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> > and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
> >
> >
> >--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

Sorry, your browser doesn't support iframes.

That will be fine Dick.
In the mail no later than tomorrow Morning maybe tomorrow.
Got to get those folks singing.
Maybe I should get a kickback from Newcastle scottish breweries as sales of
broon and X are bound to increase.Conrad> dick greenhaus wrote:
>
> Hi Conrad-
> Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I've been recovering from a
> massive computer crash.
> Why don't you send me three copies to start with, and bill me--I'll send
> a check soonest. When I know exactly what they cost me, I'll add it to my
> catalog and let you know the price (which won't be anywhere near
> Amazon's.
>
> And yes, I take credit cards and ship internationally.
>
> dick greenhaus
> CAMSCO Music
> 28 Powell Street
> Greenwich, CT 06831
> Conrad Bladey ***Peasant**** wrote:
>
> > Peter:
> > Sorry about the amazon price. Unfortunately they charge vendors 55%
> > overhead. I have a minimum cost and can not afford to absorb that high
> > mark
> > up. Many people do still use the store front and they do accept other
> > currencys and credit cards.
> >
> > I have corresponded with Dick Greenhouse concerning this. No reply as
> > yet
> > but watch this space. Sometimes people mail me dollars cash which seems
> > to
> > work too. Dick is an excelent person to work with though and I believe
> > he
> > should be able to help you soon. If not contact me directly at
> > [unmask]
> >
> > I have been delighted with the initial reviews of the booklet which
> > have
> > been fantastic. We produce it at a very minimal profit. All proceeds go
> > to
> > the maintenance of our web pages which cover many folk music and
> > folklore
> > topics and are available free 24 hours a day 7 days a week. This
> > service
> > continues to become more and more expensive....thus the motivation to
> > get
> > more publications out.
> >
> > Thank you for your interest. I hope a UK vendor appears soon.
> >
> > Our main goal is to make these songs available for singing.
> > Currently it is very hard to find these when a pint is in the hand if
> > you
> > know what I mean!
> >
> > Conrad
> >
> > P & VJ Thorpe wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I notice that the Tommy Armstrong beuk is now available from
> >> Amazon.com at
> >> the amazing price of $31!
> >>
> >> Even though my UK bank charges me GBP7 (i.e. about $10.50) for a bank
> >> draft,
> >> it still works out a bit cheaper to buy it from the States.
> >>
> >> Don't we have any UK booksellers on this list who may like to import
> >> a few
> >> copies of books like this? And like the Loomis House Child Ballads
> >> books,
> >> too.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Conrad Bladey ***Peasant****" <[unmask]>
> >> To: <[unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:21 AM
> >> Subject: Tommy Armstrong Songbook UK Shipping
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Greetings!
> >> > I extracted myself from the wonderful Smithsonian Folklife Festival
> >> > where
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I
> >>
> >>
> >> > had the best of times talking folk music with a few guys from
> >> > Scotland.....how refreshing after being locked up in suburbia for so
> >> >
> >> >
> >> long.!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Just calculated the postage for the book of sangs...
> >> >
> >> > Postage to UK via air= $4.00
> >> > Base price of book- $9.50
> >> > Us dollars only in check, money order or cash.
> >> > book details follow:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >>  We are selling this close to cost with proceeds going to
> >> >> >>  support the
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Hutman
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>  Library and ongoing research projects including the Book of
> >> >> >>  Bonfire
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> night
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>  which is currently being put together.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Here are the details....
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  A Beuk of the Sangs of Tommy Armstrong
> >> >> >>  The Pitman's Poet
> >> >> >>  isbn number 0-9702386-8-1
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  This production is a book of all of the Songs of Tommy
> >> >> >>  Armstrong as
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> well
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>  as his recitations. It includes first person accounts of the
> >> >> >>  role of
> >> >> >>  song and story within the culture as well as a commentary
> >> >> >>  concerning
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>  content of the songs. There is even a recipe for game pie.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> Illustrations
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>  include views of 19th century Newcastle and comic woodcuts by a
> >> >> >>  celebrated artist of the town. Songs are presented with
> >> >> >>  notation and
> >> >> >>  alternative tunes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  The book can be obtained from:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Hutman Productions
> >> >> >>  PO 268 Linthicum, Md.
> >> >> >>  21090 USA
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Cost: $9.50
> >> >> >>  Add postage: $4.30 Priority Mail
> >> >> >>               $1.42 Book Rate
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  If outside the USA inquire: [unmask]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  We accept cash, check and money order in U.S. Dollars
> >> >> >>  The book will be available in the near future from
> >> >> >>  http://www.amazon.com
> >> >> >>  ....but...at a much higher price due to amazons overhead...but
> >> >> >>  they
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> do
> >>
> >>
> >> >> > deal
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>  with other currencys and credit cards...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  We hope that greater accessibility of this material will help
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> inspire
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>  others and give a bit of life to the tradition.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Note! This is not the tradition of Geordie Bashing Jez Lowe!
> >> >> >>  In the words of the Whisky Priests "The Bonny Pit Laddie is
> >> >> >>  here to
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > stay!".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>  In other words no revisionism and pc ism here.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  We were happy to have permission to include the tribute to
> >> >> >>  Tommy
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> composed
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >>  and performed by the Whisky Priests: "Pitman Tom" a brilliant
> >> >> >>  piece.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Let us all celebrate Tommy and his muse: "The Mug of Ale"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Thanks for your time today!
> >> >> >>  Questions: [unmask]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Conrad Bladey
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> > --
> >> > "I had to walk down the road with
> >> > my throat a little dry
> >> > ranting like Jimmy Durante
> >> > My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> >> > And my debts were all outstanding
> >> > outstanding
> >> > In a field of debts outstanding
> >> > my outraged heart was handy
> >> > at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> >> > and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> > --
> > "I had to walk down the road with
> > my throat a little dry
> > ranting like Jimmy Durante
> > My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
> > And my debts were all outstanding
> > outstanding
> > In a field of debts outstanding
> > my outraged heart was handy
> > at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
> > and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"
> >
> >
> >--
"I had to walk down the road with
my throat a little dry
ranting like Jimmy Durante
My mind was as clear as the clouds in the sky
And my debts were all outstanding
outstanding
In a field of debts outstanding
my outraged heart was handy
at borrowing a sorrow I could put off 'till tomorrow
and coming to no understanding"- Jawbone "Pilgrim At the Wedding"

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19:49:46 PDT)        3540042781 - ROVINGS - SEA SONGS AND BALLADS by Smith, 1921,
19.90 GBP (ends Jul-29-03 12:45:45 PDT)        3540011051 - Voices from the Mountains by Carawan, 1975, $9.99
(ends Jul-29-03 19:40:00 PDT)        3540314487 - Southern Mountain Folksongs by McNeil, $5 (ends
Jul-30-03 15:03:11 PDT)        3539562510 - ENGLISH AND SCOTTISH POPULAR BALLADS by Sargent &
Kittredge, 1932 edition, $17.59 (ends Jul-30-03 18:01:59 PDT)        3540384563 - SHIPS, SEA SONGS AND SHANTIES by Whall, 1913,
$19.99 (ends Jul-30-03 21:57:24 PDT)        3540401802 - The Rambling Soldier - Life in the Lower Ranks 1750
to 1900 by Palmer, 1977, 2.95 GBP (ends Jul-31-03 02:56:16 PDT)        3540568159 - SMITH,S COLLECTION OF MOUNTAIN BALLADS AND COWBOY
SONGS, 1932, $15.99 (ends Jul-31-03 18:21:25 PDT)        MISCELLANEOUS        3338400746 - Generations of change, video, 1 GBP (ends Jul-27-03
14:49:24 PDT)        2547119164 - A TREASURY OF FIELD RECORDINGS VOL 1 & 2, 2 LPs,
1960, $29.99 (ends Jul-28-03 20:19:48 PDT) Does anyone know anything
about this set?                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------->From:    Dolores Nichols <[unmask]>
>        2547119164 - A TREASURY OF FIELD RECORDINGS VOL 1 & 2, 2
LPs,1960, $29.99 (ends Jul-28-03 20:19:48 PDT) Does anyone know
anything about this set?Yes, these were recordings made in the Houston, Texas area between
1951 and 1960, including the earliest recordings of Mance Lipscomb
("Anonymous") and George Coleman, who later recorded for Arhoolie
as Bongo Joe. I've been looking for these LPs for a long time so
thank you for bringing this listing to my attention.Andrew________________________________________________________________
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