I've just received an email booklist from Birchwood Books (UK) which
includes the following:544.  Karpeles, Maud (ed).: Cecil Sharp's Collection of English Folksongs.
London; OUP, 1974. 1st edition hardbacks in slip case.  2 vols.  no
dustwrappers, but protective plastic sleeve around each volume.  Very slight
wear to the boards, and bump to the corner of the slipcase; internally near
Fine. A lovely collection of words and music.  £90.00That would be about $137 US. I already have a set (cost rather more than
this one, which would seem to be a pretty decent price so far as I can tell)
but they don't come up all that often, so I thought I should let you know in
case anyone might be interested. Contact details are:Birchwood Books - specialising in books on the traditional music of the
British Isles.
8 The Colonnade
The Piece Hall
Halifax
West Yorkshire
HX1 1RE
+44 (0)1422 383533
Email [unmask]
http://www.birchwoodbooks.co.ukMalcolm Douglas---
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Hi!        Hope that everyone is staying cool!        Here is the weekly list :-) There are enough songsters this week
so they will be a separate posting probably tomorrow.        891305894 - Sweet Music by Sandberg, 1963, $5.24 (ends Jul-08-02
17:00:35 PDT)
        891339319 - DANISH BALLADS AND FOLK SONGS, 1967, $12.75 (ends
Jul-08-02 19:03:45 PDT)
        1546623011 - Gaelic Songs in Nova Scotia collected by Creighton,
1979 edition, $15.95 (ends Jul-09-02 10:34:42 PDT)
        2118711209 - Negro Folk Music, U.S.A. by courlander, 1992, $4
(ends Jul-09-02 11:39:31 PDT)
        891736403 - Maritime Folk Songs, by Helen Creighton. 1961. $5
(ends Jul-09-02 17:52:13 PDT)
        1547606920 - BIBLIOGRAPHY OF NORTH AMERICAN FOLKLORE AND FOLKSONG
By Charles Haywood, 2 volume set, $22 (ends Jul-09-02 20:22:41 PDT)
        1547641023 - Where is Saint George by Bob Stewart, Pagan Imagery
in English Folksong, 1988, 3.99 GBP (ends Jul-10-02 03:54:01 PDT)
        1547716458 - SHANTIES AND SAILORS' SONGS by Stan Hugill, 1969,
$15.50 (ends Jul-10-02 13:25:21 PDT)
        1547716966 - ULSTER SONGS AND BALLADS. Gregory, 1920, $29.99
(ends Jul-10-02 13:29:07 PDT)
        1547869629 - TRADITIONAL BALLADS OF VIRGINIA by Davis, 1957, $25
(ends Jul-11-02 11:22:21 PDT)
        1547872537 - FOLK VISIONS & VOICES : Traditional Music and Song
in North Georgia by Rosenbaum, 1983, $9.99 (ends Jul-11-02 11:38:06 PDT)
        1547984691 - Minstrelsy of Maine by Eckstorm & Smith, 1927,
$19.95 (ends Jul-11-02 23:25:20 PDT)
        1548018811 - ""Spanish-American Folk songs" collected by Eleanor
Hague, 1917, $10 (ends Jul-12-02 08:31:31 PDT)
        891700355 - Songs of the Hebrides by Kennedy-Fraser, 20 GBP
(ends Jul-12-02 14:57:40 PDT)
        892241738 - Songs of Long Ago, Spanish-American War era songs,
$2.50 (ends Jul-12-02 16:32:03 PDT)
                2119549744 - GI Songs, 1944, $49.99 (ends Jul-12-02
10:11:48 PDT)
        891841243 - Cowboy Songs and other Frontier Ballads by Lomax,
1922, $34.95 (ends Jul-13-02 10:16:22 PDT) There are several other Lomax
books on Ebay just now. A quick search shows several items inc.
1547949861 Songs Of The Cattle Trail And Cow Camp, a 1920 UK edition of
what appears to be a related book.
        1547704158 - Ballads and Songs From Utah by Hubbard, 1961, $9.89
(ends ul-13-02 12:23:00 PDT)
        1548256990 - Never Without a Song (The Years and Songs of Jennie
Devlin, 1865-1952), Newman, 1995, $8.50 (ends Jul-13-02 16:43:45 PDT)
        1548266412 - SPIRITUAL FOLK-SONGS OF EARLY AMERICA by Jackson,
1937, $24.50 (ends Jul-13-02 17:42:31 PDT)
        1548297048 - The Horn Book, Studies in Erotic Folklore and
Bibliography, by G. Legman, 1964, $20 (ends Jul-13-02 20:23:01 PDT)
        1547853452 - West Virginia Folk Music A descriptive guide to
field recordings in the West Virginia and regional history collection.
Edited by John A. Cuthbert, 1982, $6.99 (ends Jul-14-02 09:57:04 PDT)
        1548266988 - The Book of Ballads. Selected and Edited by
MacEdward Leach, 1967, $9.99 (ends Jul-16-02 17:46:30 PDT)        That's it for this week.                                Dolores        P.S. Don't forget that a few items from last week still have not
closed and books that do not sell are often relisted by the seller.--
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I recently discovered that Kip Lornell interviewed Guy Benton Johnson
in 1975.  Johnson was born in 1901, retired in 1969, and died in
1991.  Audio recordings of the interview are in the Kip Lornell
Collection in the Wilson Library, University of North Carolina,
Chapel Hill.  I've just listened to this interview (about 2 hours
long).  About 50 minutes concerns Johnson's "John Henry" research.
He talks about how he came to "John Henry" research, his trip to the
Big Bend area, and Louis Chappell.  Perhaps the most enlightening
thing for me was Johnson's description of the paper that Chappell
submitted in 1927 for publication in a journal edited by Howard W.
Odum.  Odum passed it to Johnson for his evaluation and comments.
Johnson says that he recommended that it be published a slightly
shortened form.  When he asked Odum later what had happened to it,
Odum replied that Chappell had gotten mad when he learned that
Johnson had been consulted about it and had thereupon withdrawn his
submission.  As far as I know, this paper was never published.  In
his book, Chappell goes on at length with accusations that Johnson
stole his stuff.  Johnson says that his 1927 trip to the Big Bend
area had long been planned, independently of Chappell's work.There is nothing in the interview about the Alabama claims that
Johnson turned up.  Evidently he was a believer in Big Bend Tunnel as
late as 1975, despite the fact that by then he had in his possession
independent confirmation of a strong John Henry tradition in the
vicinity of Leeds, Alabama, and among employees of the Central of
Georgia Railway Co.
--
john garst    [unmask]

Hi!        As promised earlier this week, here are the songsters.        1547961443 - Put's Golden Songster, 1858, California mining
songs, $56 (ends Jul-11-02 19:49:25 PDT)
        892031304 - UP TO DATE MINSTREL SONGSTER, 1900?, $9 (ends
Jul-11-02 11:36:52 PDT)
        892268194 - The Star Songster - 1900, $0.99 (ends Jul-12-02
19:42:52 PDT)
        892268549 - John W. Vogels Big Minstrels, 1899, $0.99 (ends
Jul-12-02 19:45:39 PDT)
        892268809 - Hi Henry's Songster, 1905, $0.99 (ends Jul-12-02
19:47:36 PDT)
        892411017 - The American Songster, 1907, $3 (ends Jul-13-02
19:02:24 PDT)
        2120031313 - Lookout Mountain No. Two Songster, 1900?, $24.99
(ends Jul-14-02 08:44:43 PDT)
        1548393905 - Our Own Boys Songster, 1876, $1 (ends Jul-14-02
11:15:08 PDT)
        892823702 - Convention Edition The Temperance Songster, 1904?,
$8.95 (ends Jul-15-02 19:53:32 PDT)
        2120855936 - Democratic Campaign SongFolio, 1900, $9.99
w/reserve (ends Jul-16-02 18:40:16 PDT)
        2119916463 - Billy Holmes's Comic Local Lyrics, 1866, $9.99
(ends Jul-16-02 19:01:52 PDT) (Dan M. - This may be one for you.)
        892988055 - The Temperance Songster, $9.99 (ends Jul-19-02
18:40:26 PDT)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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Jack-
A couple of prospective customers have asked me if they could pay a bit
extra for
airmail delivery. I'm not sure just what the rates are (I don't know what
the
package weighs)--would an extra pound cover the difference?BTW: I can accept credit cards from places that use Euros.dick greenhausJack Campin wrote:> Nigel gave me a very generous review of
>
> > Embro, Embro - the hidden history of Edinburgh in its music,
> > by Jack Campin (A CD-ROM of the music of Edinburgh.)
>
> but forgot to include any contact details.
>
> The URL for it is <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/embro/>.
>
> I have now arranged for payments in US dollars to be made through
> CAMSCO Music.  Many thanks to Dick Greenhaus for making this service
> available; would there were somebody doing the same for euros.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> Jack Campin  *   11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU,
Scotland
> tel 0131 660 4760  *  fax 0870 055 4975  *
http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/
> food intolerance data & recipes, freeware Mac logic fonts, and Scottish
music

Hi there,I'll be traveling for two months starting next week and it would be nice to
meet
up with other singers and ballad scholars wherever possible.My travel plans are only constrained by the gigs I have booked and there's a
fair amount of spare time in between. So I'd love to hear from people in any
of
the areas I'll be. (To find out where I'll be please check my itinerary at
http://www.sharronkraus.com - click on 'gigs')Many thanks,
Sharron Kraus

Hi!        Here I am again! One slight change this week. Don has suggested
that I put a blank line between each entry to increase readibility. I'll
try it with this list and await comments.        At the moment, there are no songsters of interest. If any
appear, I will post a list later in the week.        Songbooks, etc.        892900186 - Germania Album, 1977?, $1 (ends Jul-14-02 10:46:09
PDT)        1548416167 - American Folksongs for Children by Seeger, 1946,
$5.99 (ends Jul-14-02 12:49:39 PDT)        1548478921 - The Limerick by Legman, 1964, $6 (ends Jul-14-02
17:36:10 PDT)        1548659671 - Kentucky Folkmusic: An Annotated Bibliography by
Burt Feintuch, 1985, $4 (ends Jul-15-02 14:00:49 PDT)        1548791318 - Songs of Irish Rebellion by Zimmerman, 1967, $4.99
(ends Jul-16-02 08:02:30 PDT)        1548807251 - Wobblies, Pile Butts, and Other Heroes by Green,
1994, $12.50 (ends Jul-16-02 09:55:13 PDT)        2120716887 - On the Trail of Negro Folk Songs by Scarborough,
date unknown, $15 w/reserve (ends Jul-16-02 11:02:22 PDT)        892978957 - ASHER SIZEMORE AND LITTLE JIMMIE'S 1937 Edition
"SONGS OF THE SOIL", 1936, $4.50 (ends Jul-16-02 18:02:48 PDT)        892993844 - Negro Spirituals, 1932, $15 (ends Jul-16-02 19:07:04
PDT)        893405523 - Roustabout Songs, Collection of Ohio River Valley
songs collected by Mary Wheeler, 1939, $9.99 (ends Jul-16-02 21:06:37
PDT)        893069782 - POPULAR AMERICAN RECORDING PIONEERS: 1895-1925, by
Tim Gracyk, $24.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-17-02 08:49:41 PDT) This is a bit
off-topic but I thought it might be of interest to someone.        1549099064 - British Poets,English & Scottish Ballads 8 Vol,
edited by Child, 1866, $81 (ends Jul-17-02 18:20:08 PDT)        1549154119 - Australian Bush Ballads by Douglas Stewart & Nancy
Keesing, 1957 reprint, $3 AU (ends Jul-18-02 02:40:17 PDT)        1549205379 - Games and Songs of American Children, Dover
reprint, $5 (Jul-18-02 10:35:46 PDT)        1549236572 - DHA CHEAD de CHEOLTAIBH ULADH by Enri O Muirgheasa,
1934, $34.99 (ends Jul-18-02 12:52:47 PDT)        1549237204 - SCOTTISH SONG, Its Wealth, Wisdom, and Social
Significance by Blackie, 1889, $49.50 (ends Jul-18-02 12:56:41 PDT)        893366990 - Scandinavian Songs and Ballads, 1953, $24.50 (ends
Jul-18-02 18:39:05 PDT)        893379571 - Songs America Voted By, Silber, 198?, $3 (ends
Jul-18-02 19:17:38 PDT)        1549327145 - The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. Selected
and Edited by Ralph Vaughan Williams and A. L. Lloyd, 1976 edition,
$9.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-18-02 20:15:57 PDT)        1549370674 - German Lyrics and Ballads by Hatfield, 1911, $0.99
(ends Jul-19-02 07:03:10 PDT)        893556668 - Folksongs of Florida by Morris, $7 (ends Jul-19-02
20:38:44 PDT)        893067180 - THE BON ACCORD COLLECTION OF BOTHY BALLADS, Wright,
2 GBP (ends Jul-20-02 08:27:16 PDT)        893673530 - Elmore Vincents Lumber Jack Songs, 1932, $8.50 (ends
Jul-20-02 16:03:55 PDT)        1549186873 - The Broadside Ballad A Study in Origins and Meaning
by Shepard, 1962, 2.50 GBP (ends Jul-21-02 08:45:44 PDT)                                See you next week!
                                Dolores--
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Thanks again, Doris, for your scouting.
I'm interested in the Mary Wheeler book and the lumberjack songs; is anyone
else?
Norm Cohen>
>         892900186 - Germania Album, 1977?, $1 (ends Jul-14-02 10:46:09
> PDT)
>
>         1548416167 - American Folksongs for Children by Seeger, 1946,
> $5.99 (ends Jul-14-02 12:49:39 PDT)
>
>         1548478921 - The Limerick by Legman, 1964, $6 (ends Jul-14-02
> 17:36:10 PDT)
>
>         1548659671 - Kentucky Folkmusic: An Annotated Bibliography by
> Burt Feintuch, 1985, $4 (ends Jul-15-02 14:00:49 PDT)
>
>         1548791318 - Songs of Irish Rebellion by Zimmerman, 1967, $4.99
> (ends Jul-16-02 08:02:30 PDT)
>
>         1548807251 - Wobblies, Pile Butts, and Other Heroes by Green,
> 1994, $12.50 (ends Jul-16-02 09:55:13 PDT)
>
>         2120716887 - On the Trail of Negro Folk Songs by Scarborough,
> date unknown, $15 w/reserve (ends Jul-16-02 11:02:22 PDT)
>
>         892978957 - ASHER SIZEMORE AND LITTLE JIMMIE'S 1937 Edition
> "SONGS OF THE SOIL", 1936, $4.50 (ends Jul-16-02 18:02:48 PDT)
>
>         892993844 - Negro Spirituals, 1932, $15 (ends Jul-16-02 19:07:04
> PDT)
>
>         893405523 - Roustabout Songs, Collection of Ohio River Valley
> songs collected by Mary Wheeler, 1939, $9.99 (ends Jul-16-02 21:06:37
> PDT)
>
>         893069782 - POPULAR AMERICAN RECORDING PIONEERS: 1895-1925, by
> Tim Gracyk, $24.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-17-02 08:49:41 PDT) This is a bit
> off-topic but I thought it might be of interest to someone.
>
>         1549099064 - British Poets,English & Scottish Ballads 8 Vol,
> edited by Child, 1866, $81 (ends Jul-17-02 18:20:08 PDT)
>
>         1549154119 - Australian Bush Ballads by Douglas Stewart & Nancy
> Keesing, 1957 reprint, $3 AU (ends Jul-18-02 02:40:17 PDT)
>
>         1549205379 - Games and Songs of American Children, Dover
> reprint, $5 (Jul-18-02 10:35:46 PDT)
>
>         1549236572 - DHA CHEAD de CHEOLTAIBH ULADH by Enri O Muirgheasa,
> 1934, $34.99 (ends Jul-18-02 12:52:47 PDT)
>
>         1549237204 - SCOTTISH SONG, Its Wealth, Wisdom, and Social
> Significance by Blackie, 1889, $49.50 (ends Jul-18-02 12:56:41 PDT)
>
>         893366990 - Scandinavian Songs and Ballads, 1953, $24.50 (ends
> Jul-18-02 18:39:05 PDT)
>
>         893379571 - Songs America Voted By, Silber, 198?, $3 (ends
> Jul-18-02 19:17:38 PDT)
>
>         1549327145 - The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. Selected
> and Edited by Ralph Vaughan Williams and A. L. Lloyd, 1976 edition,
> $9.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-18-02 20:15:57 PDT)
>
>         1549370674 - German Lyrics and Ballads by Hatfield, 1911, $0.99
> (ends Jul-19-02 07:03:10 PDT)
>
>         893556668 - Folksongs of Florida by Morris, $7 (ends Jul-19-02
> 20:38:44 PDT)
>
>         893067180 - THE BON ACCORD COLLECTION OF BOTHY BALLADS, Wright,
> 2 GBP (ends Jul-20-02 08:27:16 PDT)
>
>         893673530 - Elmore Vincents Lumber Jack Songs, 1932, $8.50 (ends
> Jul-20-02 16:03:55 PDT)
>
>         1549186873 - The Broadside Ballad A Study in Origins and Meaning
> by Shepard, 1962, 2.50 GBP (ends Jul-21-02 08:45:44 PDT)
>
>                                 See you next week!
>                                 Dolores
>
> --
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On 7/13/02, Norm Cohen wrote:>Thanks again, Doris, for your scouting.I will second that.I also like the blank lines between entries. It *does*
help.>I'm interested in the Mary Wheeler book and the lumberjack songs; is anyone
>else?No objections on my part.Anyone else interested in:>         893556668 - Folksongs of Florida by Morris, $7 (ends Jul-19-02
> 20:38:44 PDT)(I'm not going to fight hard for this one; I pretty well blew
my budget on the Kahn auction. But if no one else wants it,
I'm going to try for it.)--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

Hello.  Today would have been woody Guthrie's 90th birthday: he was born on
July 14th, 1912, in Okemah, Oklahoma.  And I understand that, even now,
there is a Woody Guthrie festival in Okemah.        MargeE-mail: [unmask]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 09:33:55AM -0500, [unmask] wrote:> Received: from AFRICA (asdt128253031147.cit.cornell.edu [128.253.31.147])
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> Your password is W8dqwq8q918213Hi!        This came in this afternoon. It had the Klez virus attached.
Despite the address, [unmask] in the From:, I think that it
originated with a list member at Cornell. (See Received: header at top.)
I have sent Cornell and Colorado admins a message from my account as
Abuse Officer for d-and-d.com.        Everyone on the list who is using Microsoft Outlook may have
been infected if they opened this email. If you want information about
Klez, please go to the Symantec website:
[unmask]">http:[unmask]
html        Marge, is there any way to stop this sort of thing with its
multiple, large and dangerous attachments from reaching the list?
Actually, any attachment is a problem on a mailing list especially for
those getting the digest.                                Now back to ballads!
                                Dolores--
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Sorry, your browser doesn't support iframes.

This is at
http://www.artic.edu/~pgena/political.htmlApparently Peter Gena is a composer who writes "Socio-political Portraits."**************
McKinley (1983), violin, piano and percussion. Title Page | First
Page of ManuscriptMcKinley was written at the request of pianist Yvar Mikhashoff for
the 1983 North American Music Festival in Buffalo. It draws from
three railroad folk songs (from The Long Steel Rail, a compendium
published by the University of Illinois Press) that pertain to the
death of President William McKinley, who was assassinated in Buffalo
during the Pan-American Exposition in 1901. The songs, White House
Blues, Canonball Blues, and Mr. McKinley humorously depict the events
related to the railroad travel following the shooting. Mr. McKinley,
in fact, was made popular in the teens by none other than D. H.
Lawrence, who was known to have sung the tune at social gatherings
with "shocking jocularity." This inspired me to set Mr. McKinley as a
repetitive chorale for the middle section of the work.
**************Does anyone know about Gena's source for the D. H. Lawrence story told here?
--
john garst    [unmask]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:31:48PM -0400, Fred McCormick wrote:        [ ... ]> X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512        [ ... ]> I have just received the dreaded password, virus enclosed email, and
deleted
> it immediately.        Good.  That should work, as you are *not* running Outlook
Express.  (You seem to be running AOL's e-mail program, instead.)  It
would appear that it is somewhat more secure in the face of this, at
least.> For the past couple of months I have been receiving virus infected emails,
> sometimes as many as two or three a day, and I've managed to swat them
simply
> by not opening them. Mostly they come from people I've never heard of and
> bear a subject heading such as A New Game (or Website or Programme or some
> such). Replies to the 'senders' advising them that their equipment is
> infected, and suggesting they invest in some antivirus software, has
produced
> 100% negative results.        Of course -- the infection was Klez, and it was not *their*
system which was infected, but somebody else who had their e-mail
address on their system -- as address book contents, or as as-yet unread
e-mail.>                        In one case however, the address bore the name of
> somebody I know. Having talked to him, I'm fairly convinced that the
message
> was not sent from his computer.
>
> I think in fact, somebody has found a way of forging email addresses.        The "Klez" worm (not truly a virus, but as bad) does exactly
that.  It scans the current victim's address book and unread e-mail for
addresses -- both to send the worm to, and to forge as the "From: "
address.  Note that the "From " (no ':') visible on most unix systems is
not forged, as is the "Reply-Path: " header, so you may be able to find
the source based on those -- *if* you are running a system on which it
is safe to examine the contents -- e.g. a unix system, or a Mac, *not* a
Windows system of any flavor.  I would have been trying to dig out the
origin of this current one, except that the mailing list software strips
off too many header lines.        I have even gotten bounces of Klez mailings which had forged my
e-mail address, and had gone to a system which filters on virii and
blocks them by bouncing the message.  A study of the headers shows that
it never touched my system -- as though there were any doubt, as it is
very difficult to imagine a unix box sending out Windows virii from an
infection. :-)> Whether or no, the sensible procedure, with any attachment which looks in
any
> way suspicious - especially if it comes with a strange message - is to
delete
> it immediately. Then make sure it is permanently deleted. If it's from
> someone you know, contact them and ask whether they in fact sent it.        This will work with most e-mail systems, but unfortunately *not*
with Outlook Express, which can be fooled into thinking that the
attachment is an audio attachment, and that it should *play* that
attachment while you are deciding whether to delete it or not.  In
reality, the attachment is not an audio file, but rather an executable
program, and OE tries to play it by attempting to "run" it, depending on
the extension to cause it to be played instead.  Since the extension
does not match the claimed file type, it really *does* run, and infect
the system.        If you are using Outlook Express, go to the Symantec web site
which Dolores posted, and find the link to the patch for OE to prevent
this.  (Or better yet -- toss OE, and get some other e-mail program
which is safer.)  OE is known as "the virus writer's friend" for good
reason.> Finally, I have recently come a particularly nasty variant on this type of
> thing; namely a free and unsolicited programme which is allegedly designed
to
> quarantine a particular virus. The message claimed that my computer
already
> had the virus (which it didn't) and advised me to open an enclosed file
> attachment in order to let the software get to work. This it would do by
> mimicking its target. IE.        Another copy of Klez.  Aside from the other things which it
does, it also disables Norton Anti-Virus if you let it run.  After that,
you have to uninstall NAV and re-install it to make it work properly
again.>                           It would behave like the actual virus whilst
> hunting it down. Under no circumstances must I try to stop it from causing
> all my software packages to crash, or it wouldn't find be able to find the
> real virus. There are some very sick minds out there.        Indeed.        A very good reason to set up the mailing list block *all*
attachments.  (This means that HTML and Microsoft Word documents would
also be bounced.        Enjoy,
                DoN.--
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
        (too) near Washington D.C. |
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Hello everyone.  Yes, the Your Password E-mail contains a nasty virus.  I
suspect that we all got it, so, PLEASE DLETE IMMEDIATEEDIATELY.
        MargeE-mail: [unmask]

>This is at
>http://www.artic.edu/~pgena/political.html
>
>Apparently Peter Gena is a composer who writes "Socio-political Portraits."
>
>**************
>McKinley (1983), violin, piano and percussion. Title Page | First
>Page of Manuscript
>
>McKinley was written at the request of pianist Yvar Mikhashoff for
>the 1983 North American Music Festival in Buffalo. It draws from
>three railroad folk songs (from The Long Steel Rail, a compendium
>published by the University of Illinois Press) that pertain to the
>death of President William McKinley, who was assassinated in Buffalo
>during the Pan-American Exposition in 1901. The songs, White House
>Blues, Canonball Blues, and Mr. McKinley humorously depict the events
>related to the railroad travel following the shooting. Mr. McKinley,
>in fact, was made popular in the teens by none other than D. H.
>Lawrence, who was known to have sung the tune at social gatherings
>with "shocking jocularity." This inspired me to set Mr. McKinley as a
>repetitive chorale for the middle section of the work.
>**************
>
>Does anyone know about Gena's source for the D. H. Lawrence story told
here?
>--
>john garst    [unmask]Sorry, I should first have looked at Norm's "Long Steel Rail" (quoted
above).  D. H. Lawrence is discussed there.--
john garst    [unmask]

>Sorry, I should first have looked at Norm's "Long Steel Rail" (quoted
>above).  D. H. Lawrence is discussed there.Norm Cohen comments on "Delia" and "McKinley," noting that Delia
Holmes (which Chapman J. Milling thought to be Delia's name) was
supposed to have died in Georgia in about 1900 and that "Delia" and
"McKinley" share a couple of verses.  In going through Robert W.
Gordon's papers at the University of Oregon recently, I found his
note to the effect that "Delia" was sung in the spring of 1901
(according to someone's memory, I suppose) and "McKinley" in that
fall of the same year, to the same tune.  Delia was really Delia
Green, who was shot late Christmas Eve and died early Christmas
morning, 1900, in Savannah, GA.  It would appear that "McKinley"
words were set to the pre-existing "Delia" tune, which might already
have been older.
--
john garst    [unmask]

Oh, brother. I saw my name on the "From:" line and wondered, "why me?"
FWIW, I also got a "Your password!" message from
<[unmask]>, with exactly that address on the
"From:" line.But on to non-rhetorical questions, in the hopes that some listmember has
a suggestion on this matter. (I assume Colorado's system administrators
have ways of trying to trace the culprit, but will double-check.)1 - I never capitalize COLORADO.EDU, as the infected e-mail does. Does it
come to listmembers that way, as if our system capitalizes it?2 - I never use Microsoft Anything (except MSWord when attachments come in
it), and the only e-mail system I know how to use is CU's antique Pine
system (& I don't know how to send attachments). Pine has recently had an
upgrade, whose features I haven't yet learned to use. As a certified
technological bozo, I don't know if the system alteration could be
implicated, but I'll check.Hope the above is helpful, or at least informative.All best / Michael Bell

Fred wrote:<< Replies to the 'senders' advising them that their equipment is
infected, and suggesting they invest in some antivirus software, has
produced
100% negative results. In one case however, the address bore the name of
somebody I know. Having talked to him, I'm fairly convinced that the message
was not sent from his computer.I think in fact, somebody has found a way of forging email addresses.>>Indeed -- the current crop of worms are set to display a "From:" field
randomly selected from the address book in the recipient's computer, so that
the message looks like it came from someone you know.<<Whether or no, the sensible procedure, with any attachment which looks in
any
way suspicious - especially if it comes with a strange message - is to
delete
it immediately. Then make sure it is permanently deleted. >>Ideally, you should delete the message + attachment *without* opening it; a
few of these little bombs can go off even though you don't deliberately
execute the attachment, and even though your reader is set to not
automatically execute attachments. I now have turned OFF the preview pane in
Outlook Express (never used it anyway), as some of them can even execute the
payload if the preview pane looks at the message. Now, at the beginning of
every e-mail session, I go through the list of messages and delete (without
reading) anything with an attachment. Annoying to have to take that step,
but a few of my acquaintances have had their computers trashed by these
bugs, and I prefer not to take chances.Marge, it would indeed be a good thing if the list automatically rejected
messages with attachments, or at the very least stripped the attachments
off.Peace,
Paul

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:49:53PM -0600, Bell Michael wrote:> Oh, brother. I saw my name on the "From:" line and wondered, "why me?"        Because someone else who receives e-mail from you (perhaps a
list member) is infected, and the Klez worm is forging your e-mail
address to the outgoing copy.  (Also any other e-mail address in his
system.> FWIW, I also got a "Your password!" message from
> <[unmask]>, with exactly that address on the
> "From:" line.        Hmm ... that suggests that the infected system is subscribed to
both lists -- and it got through because it forged your e-mail to both.> But on to non-rhetorical questions, in the hopes that some listmember has
> a suggestion on this matter. (I assume Colorado's system administrators
> have ways of trying to trace the culprit, but will double-check.)        Nope -- not once the mailing list software has stripped off most
of the header lines which would help.> 1 - I never capitalize COLORADO.EDU, as the infected e-mail does. Does it
> come to listmembers that way, as if our system capitalizes it?        Yes -- from the headers of this message we see:> From: Bell Michael <[unmask]>Which suggests that the MTA (Mail Transport Agent) at colorado does
this.> 2 - I never use Microsoft Anything (except MSWord when attachments come in
> it), and the only e-mail system I know how to use is CU's antique Pine
> system (& I don't know how to send attachments). Pine has recently had an
> upgrade, whose features I haven't yet learned to use. As a certified
> technological bozo, I don't know if the system alteration could be
> implicated, but I'll check.        Nope!  It had to come from an infected Windows system.  It did
*not* come from your system -- at all.        Good Luck,
                DoN.--
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:33:55 -0500, [unmask] wrote:>Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
>        name=password.txt
>Content-ID: <W8dqwq8q918213>
>
>Your password is W8dqwq8q918213And attachment decrypt-password.exeThis is fun.  Looks like a virus to me but neither Norton nor McAfee (both
updated Saturday) recognize it.Anyone send it on purpose?  _I_ ain't opening it first - you can sure
betchou on that.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:47:52PM -0400, Abby Sale wrote:        [ ... ]> And attachment decrypt-password.exe
>
> This is fun.  Looks like a virus to me but neither Norton nor McAfee (both
> updated Saturday) recognize it.        I have heard of problems with both installed at once.  They can
get in each other's way.  I would use one, *or* the other, not both at
once.> Anyone send it on purpose?  _I_ ain't opening it first - you can sure
> betchou on that.        It *is* a virus.  A variant of the Klez virus based on the way it
is set up.  Here are the key parts which identify it to me: ======================================================================
} <iframe src=3Dcid:W8dqwq8q918213 height=3D0 width=3D0></iframe>
}
} --L1db82sd319dm2ns0f4383dhG
} Content-Type: audio/x-midi;
}         name=decrypt-password.exe
} Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
 ======================================================================        The "iframe" part is what tricks Outlook Express (which you are
*not* running, thank goodness) into trying to "play" the attachment,
which is described as an audio/x-midi file, while the extension more
accurately identifies it as an executable.        This may well be a new variant of Klez, which your virus
checkers are not sufficiently up-to-date to catch.  The format of the
"iframe" line is different, so this suggests a new variant.  Someone has
to get hit with each new variant before Norton and McAfee get the new
signatures to post.  It is beginning to look as though once a week
updates are too few, and perhaps even daily updates will not be enough
for everything.        Good Luck,
                DoN.--
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
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Folks,Further to the above, this is a new variant of a worm, now officially
designated W32.Frethem.K (among other things). The text at the foot of this
message is copied from an official alert on the subject.I agree with other correspondents that you should only run one antivirus
package and that you should keep it up to date. I personally run Norton and
I have it set to auto-update every day.As a general rule, I am always suspicious of any mail that comes from anyone
I don't know and has an attachment. Furthermore, since I believe people
aren't supposed to send attachments to the Ballad-L, there's every reason to
throw such messages away without giving them a second thought.Hope this helpsSimon-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE------ - - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------
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 UNIRAS is part of NISCC (National Infrastructure Security Co-ordination
Centre)
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  UNIRAS material is also available from its website at www.uniras.gov.uk
and
         Information about NISCC is available from www.niscc.gov.uk
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Malicious Software Report - W32.Frethem.K@mmUNIRAS Comments
===============
This worm is increasingly being reported by different sources monitored by
UNIRAS.
Note: At this time, some antivirus suppliers appear to have different names
for
this variant, ie Frethem.LDetail
======W32.Frethem.K@mm is a worm, and is a variant of [unmask] It uses
its
own SMTP engine to send itself to email addresses that it finds in the
Microsoft
Windows Address Book and in .dbx, .wab, .mbx, .eml, and .mdb files. The
email
message arrives with the following characteristics:Subject: Re: Your password!
Attachments: Decrypt-password.exe and Password.txtAlso Known As: I-Worm.Frethem.l [AVP], W32/Frethem.l@MM [McAfee],
WORM_FRETHEM.K [Trend], W32/Frethem-Fam [Sophos]Type: Worm
Infection Length: 48,640 bytesUseful URLs:
[unmask]">http:[unmask]
l
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99566.htm
http://www.sophos.co.uk/virusinfo/analyses/w32frethemfam.html
http://www.fsecure.com/v-descs/frethem.shtml- - - - - - - - - - --------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------For additional information or assistance, please contact the HELP Desk by
telephone or Not Protectively Marked information may be sent via EMail to:[unmask]
Tel: 020 7821 1330 Ext 4511
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of
this Alert.
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This Briefing contains the information released by the original author. Some
of the information may have changed since it was released. If the
vulnerability
affects you, it may be prudent to retrieve the advisory from the canonical
site
to ensure that you receive the most current information concerning that
problem.Reference to any specific commercial product, process, or service by trade
name, trademark manufacturer, or otherwise, does not constitute or imply
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and opinions of authors expressed within this notice shall not be used for
advertising or product endorsement purposes.Neither UNIRAS or NISCC shall also accept responsibility for any errors
or omissions contained within this briefing notice. In particular, they
shall
not be liable for any loss or damage whatsoever, arising from or in
connection
with the usage of information contained within this notice.UNIRAS is a member of the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams
(FIRST)
and has contacts with other international Incident Response Teams (IRTs) in
order to foster cooperation and coordination in incident prevention, to
prompt
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----- Forwarded message from Ed Cray <[unmask]> -----Delivered-To: [unmask]
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ed Cray <[unmask]>
Subject: Help Requested
To: Don Nichols <[unmask]>Don:Can I ask you to post this message on ballad-l.  As my earlier message to
the ballad index board indicates, I have encountered an address problem.Thanks,        Done!Marge,        Ed needs your e-mail address.  The old one does not work, and he
can't post to the list because his outgoing address changes with the
phase of the moon (whichever server handles sending out the message.)        Thanks,
                DoN.Ed
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folks:There remain some choice volumes from the Kahn library, so Autumn Kruse,
Ed's daughter, has suggested a going out of business sale for the "nice
people" on ballad-l.This is NOT an auction.  The sale prices are listed athttp://www.d-and-d.com/ED-BOOKSEverything is on a first-come, first-serve basis.  Please deal directly
with Autumn atAutumn Kruse <[unmask]>Finally, let me thank Don and Dolores Nichols for their stalwart
assistance in offering and maintaining the website.Ed----- End forwarded message -------
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
        (too) near Washington D.C. |
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           --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

My E-mail address is [unmask]  It sounds as though he nees to
re-subscribe to Ballad-L using his current address.  However, I can take
care of that at my end.        MargeE-mail: [unmask]-----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]]On Behalf
Of DoN. Nichols
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:16 PM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Books still availalbe (was: [[unmask]: Help
Requested])----- Forwarded message from Ed Cray <[unmask]> -----Delivered-To: [unmask]
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ed Cray <[unmask]>
Subject: Help Requested
To: Don Nichols <[unmask]>Don:Can I ask you to post this message on ballad-l.  As my earlier message to
the ballad index board indicates, I have encountered an address problem.Thanks,        Done!Marge,        Ed needs your e-mail address.  The old one does not work, and he
can't post to the list because his outgoing address changes with the
phase of the moon (whichever server handles sending out the message.)        Thanks,
                DoN.Ed
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folks:There remain some choice volumes from the Kahn library, so Autumn Kruse,
Ed's daughter, has suggested a going out of business sale for the "nice
people" on ballad-l.This is NOT an auction.  The sale prices are listed athttp://www.d-and-d.com/ED-BOOKSEverything is on a first-come, first-serve basis.  Please deal directly
with Autumn atAutumn Kruse <[unmask]>Finally, let me thank Don and Dolores Nichols for their stalwart
assistance in offering and maintaining the website.Ed----- End forwarded message -------
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
        (too) near Washington D.C. |
http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
           --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:50:59 -0400, DoN. Nichols wrote:>
>        I have heard of problems with both installed at once.  They can
>get in each other's way.  I would use one, *or* the other, not both at
>once.
>
Thank youse guys, esp D&D for the info - interesting stuff.  I have a
slowish machine so I only turn these on when I need to check..I don't
leave them running.  A _disadvantage_ (the only one I know of many
advantages) of _not_ using Outlook is that the AV things can't scan e-mail
& downloads as they arrive, anyway.  What I do is Enable System check and
manually save (not launch) any slightly suspect attachment.  In this case
when Norton didn't find anything, I closed it and did the same with
McAfee.Does this seem reasonable?I really was surprised that two-day old versions of each one caught
nothing since this was _very_ likely a virus for the reasons already
given.  Also because it came to me from "[unmask]" and everyone
here seems to use their real name.  Of course, that turned out to be wrong
- I was thinking this was a false "Ma Bell" and it turned out to be a
perfectly reputable "Bell Michael."  Oh, well.Stay tuned (especially Andy) for more on whether a chanteyman was a paid
"idler" or an ordinary crewman.  I have some new hardish info.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 03:59:15PM -0500, Marge Steiner wrote:> From: Marge Steiner <[unmask]>
> Subject:      Re: Books still availalbe (was: [[unmask]: Help
>               Requested])
> Comments: To: Forum for ballad scholars <[unmask]>
> To: [unmask]
> In-Reply-To:  <[unmask]>
>
> My E-mail address is [unmask]  It sounds as though he nees to
> re-subscribe to Ballad-L using his current address.  However, I can take
> care of that at my end.        The problem is that his address randomly changes with *each*
mailing.  Is there a way to put in a wildcard like <cray@*.usc.edu> for
the acceptable incoming messages?        If not, is there a way to have the system accept from multiple
addresses, but *send* only to one of them?  I don't know whether Ed can
build up a list of all of the addresses which might show up on outgoing
messages, but is so, could you (or your admin staff) set it up so e-mail
from any of those addresses would be accepted without a consequent
sending of a copy of every posting to each address?        Dolores and I would have similar problems if I had not
configured the e-mail system to always just use the domain, leaving out
the system name on outgoing e-mail.  I somehow doubt that we could
prevail upon usc.edu to do the same. :-)        Thanks,
                DoN.--
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
        (too) near Washington D.C. |
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           --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:19:38PM -0400, Abby Sale wrote:> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:50:59 -0400, DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
> >
> >        I have heard of problems with both installed at once.  They can
> >get in each other's way.  I would use one, *or* the other, not both at
> >once.
> >
> Thank youse guys, esp D&D for the info - interesting stuff.  I have a
> slowish machine so I only turn these on when I need to check..I don't
> leave them running.  A _disadvantage_ (the only one I know of many
> advantages) of _not_ using Outlook is that the AV things can't scan e-mail
> & downloads as they arrive, anyway.  What I do is Enable System check and
> manually save (not launch) any slightly suspect attachment.  In this case
> when Norton didn't find anything, I closed it and did the same with
> McAfee.        Note that the report on this (new) variant was posted yesterday
at symanetc.> Does this seem reasonable?
>
> I really was surprised that two-day old versions of each one caught
> nothing since this was _very_ likely a virus for the reasons already
> given.        Except that a virus scanner works by detecting constant
"signatures" embedded in the attachments.  Apparently, they don't test
for the "iframe" line, simply because this can be used for non-malicious
purposes.  Given that symantec (home of NAV) did not know about this one
until yesterday, it is not surprising that a set of signatures
downloaded the day before did not catch it.        The first defense should be care (a suspicious attitude) and use
of an e-mail agent which can't be fooled into doing something stupid.
You won on both of these.        An interesting thing about this one is that the symantec site's
page on this explicitly lists *every* Windows variant as vulnerable, and
also explicitly mentions that Macs, unix, and linux are not vulnerable.>         Also because it came to me from "[unmask]" and everyone
> here seems to use their real name.  Of course, that turned out to be wrong
> - I was thinking this was a false "Ma Bell" and it turned out to be a
> perfectly reputable "Bell Michael."  Oh, well.        :-)> Stay tuned (especially Andy) for more on whether a chanteyman was a paid
> "idler" or an ordinary crewman.  I have some new hardish info.        At least from listening to Stan Hugil, he would often be hired
as just another crewman, and then be selected "Who here is an canary?".
He would not be totally free of work, but would have the easier part.
E.g. he would be the one to operate the "stopper" knot to keep the line
from sailing back up-mast when everybody except the nearest drops the
line to allow it to be belayed.  There was an interesting one on a (two
33-1/3 RPM disc) recording of his singing and storytelling relating how
someone else tricked him out of the job (by making it appear that he
could not handle it properly), and how he regained it by a similar trick
played upon his opponent.        Enjoy,
                DoN.--
 Email:   <[unmask]>   | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
        (too) near Washington D.C. |
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           --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

Abby Sale said:
(snip) >A _disadvantage_ (the only one I know of many advantages)
>of _not_ using Outlook is that the AV things can't scan e-mail
>& downloads as they arrive, anyway.The latest Norton Anti Virus *does* scan incoming and outgoing mails with
Outlook Express (which of course is not the same as Outlook - well done, Mr
Gates, for this splendid piece of obfuscation). I don't suppose NAV is
unique. That said, it didn't pick up this particular worm (a first, I should
note, in my experience. Perhaps the on-duty shift at Norton was asleep on
this occasion.); however, the offending e-mail was suspicious enough for me
to dump it without further ado.>What I do is Enable System check and
> manually save (not launch) any slightly suspect attachment.  In this case
> when Norton didn't find anything, I closed it and did the same with
> McAfee.
>
> Does this seem reasonable?
>No, it doesn't - at least, not to me. You are not in a position to judge
what is going on, and when I say "you are" I should say "nobody is" - it
isn't a matter of special skills or knowledge.  How do you know that this
particular worm/virus has not been specially crafted to get round your
check? The *safest* thing is to make a note of the sender's e-mail address,
throw away the original message and attachment *unread* and reply to the
sender asking for clarification.By the way, if you (I use the word generically here for Ballad-L members)
are using Outlook Express you should turn off the default setting that opens
the first unread e-mail automatically (another round of raspberries to Mr
Gates). You should set it to open each e-mail in a new window, but only when
expressly clicked on in the uread e-mail list. That way you won't be
infected by some of the newer and nastier HTML-based viruses. It also gives
you the chance to see spam and likely viruses in the new messages list and
delete them without opening them.> Also because it came to me from "[unmask]" and everyone
> here seems to use their real name.  Of course, that turned out to be wrong
> - I was thinking this was a false "Ma Bell" and it turned out to be a
> perfectly reputable "Bell Michael."  Oh, well.
>You're not alone, Abby. There's a lesson for all of us here.> Stay tuned (especially Andy) for more on whether a chanteyman was a paid
> "idler" or an ordinary crewman.  I have some new hardish info.Now you're talking! Something on-topic to look forward to!Cheers
Simon

I'll send your inquiry to my friendly list adminstrator and see what she
says.        MargeE-mail: [unmask]-----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]]On Behalf
Of DoN. Nichols
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:15 PM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Re: Books still availalbe (was: [[unmask]: Help
Requested])On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 03:59:15PM -0500, Marge Steiner wrote:> From: Marge Steiner <[unmask]>
> Subject:      Re: Books still availalbe (was: [[unmask]: Help
>               Requested])
> Comments: To: Forum for ballad scholars <[unmask]>
> To: [unmask]
> In-Reply-To:  <[unmask]>
>
> My E-mail address is [unmask]  It sounds as though he nees to
> re-subscribe to Ballad-L using his current address.  However, I can take
> care of that at my end.        The problem is that his address randomly changes with *each*
mailing.  Is there a way to put in a wildcard like <cray@*.usc.edu> for
the acceptable incoming messages?        If not, is there a way to have the system accept from multiple
addresses, but *send* only to one of them?  I don't know whether Ed can
build up a list of all of the addresses which might show up on outgoing
messages, but is so, could you (or your admin staff) set it up so e-mail
from any of those addresses would be accepted without a consequent
sending of a copy of every posting to each address?        Dolores and I would have similar problems if I had not
configured the e-mail system to always just use the domain, leaving out
the system name on outgoing e-mail.  I somehow doubt that we could
prevail upon usc.edu to do the same. :-)        Thanks,
                DoN.--
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Hello all.  I just want to let folks know that the list has been modified so
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Hi folks:I'm looking for information on "To Canaan's Land (Where The Soul Never
Dies)", which became popular in the folk revival a couple of decades ago.
I've found an author/composer's credit for William M. Golden, and an
indication that Hank Williams recorded it, but no date of composition or
copyright. The earliest recording I've found is a 1938 Decca by Jack &
Leslie. Can anyone enlighten me further, particularly on dates? Thanks in
advance!Peace,
PaulPS This is a different song from "Canaan's Land" as found in shape-note
hymnals.

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<<           The date you give for the earliest recording you've come
across,
makes me wonder if you've missed. the following, from Steve Roud's Folksong
Index.
CANAAN LAND WHERE THE SOUL OF MAN NEVER DIES. Library of Congress recording
2022 B-10 in. Sung by Jim and Sarah Garland, Pineville, Kentucky :
Pineville.
Recorded 1938 by Mary Elizabeth Barnicle.>>I had missed it, yes -- thanks! Since writing the e-mail, I've come up with
a few more early recordings that push the earliest date back a decade:Rev. M. L. Thrasher & his Gospel Singers "Where The Soul Never Dies"
(Columbia 15271-D,
1928)
Oak Ridge Sacred Singers "Where The Soul Never Dies" (Supertone 9501, 1929)
Blue Sky Boys "Where The Soul Never Dies" (Bluebird B-6457, 1936)
Anglin Twins "Where The Soul of a Man Never Dies" (Vocalion 04692, 1939)I'm still looking for printed sources and, hope hope, a copyright date.Peace,
Paul

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It's in tons of those Stamps-Baxter and other Gospel songbooks including
Heavenly Highway Hymns and Favorite Songs & Hymns. The author is given as Wm
M Golden for both words and music, but alas, there is no copywrite date.
Perhaps an inquiry to the Library of Congress or the Rogers & Hammerstien
archive (at Lincoln Center in NYC) would provide an answer.

Hi!        Here I am sitting in the air conditioning searching Ebay. Here
are the latest finds.        SONGSTERS        894021844 - Pretty Little Maid Of Cherokee, 1909, $15 (ends
Jul-22-02 11:18:50 PDT)        1550106046 - The British Neptune; or, Convivial Songster: Being
a Collection of the Newest and Most Approved Songs Now Singing at the
Several Places of Public Amusement and inthe Most Convivial Assemblies,
1780?, $21.48 (ends Jul-22-02 18:49:34 PDT)        1550096936 - John Patterson's Irish Clown Rambler from Clare with
John B Doris' Great Inter-Ocean Show. Songster, circa 1890, $2.79 (ends
Jul-22-02 18:07:23 PDT)        894486716 - song sheet or songster, with lyrics to two
songs--THE LANDLORD'S PET and DYING DRUNKARD, $15 (ends Jul-24-02
19:38:22 PDT)        2123527244 - HAWTHORNE'S DIALECT RECITER, 1883, $3.75 (ends
Jul-25-02 20:48:00 PDT)        2123656759 - Merchant's Gargling Oil Songster - 1882, $9.99
(ends Jul-26-02 13:55:05 PDT)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        2121969552 - Some Current Folk Songs of the Negro, Thomas, 1912,
$19.95 (ends Jul-20-02 19:46:24 PDT)        893787084 - The British Minstrel, 1821, 2 volumes in one, $41
(ends Jul-21-02 09:57:54 PDT)        893908429 - SONGS AND BALLADS FROM NOVA SCOTIA by Helen
Creighton, 1966 Dover edition, $3.95 (ends Jul-21-02 18:31:53 PDT)        2122299944 - THE SONGS MY MOTHER NEVER TAUGHT ME by John Jacob
Niles, 1929, $6.95 (ends Jul-21-02 19:06:01 PDT)        1549980836 - Ballads of the Great West by Fife, 1970, $7 (ends
Jul-22-02 06:17:32 PDT)        1549991137 - The Ballad and the Plough: A Portrait of the Life
of Old Scottish Farmtouns, by David Kerr Cameron, 1997, $12 (ends
Jul-22-02 07:52:59 PDT)        1550050442 - Reliques of Ancient English Poetry, Percy, 1865
edition, 50 GBP (ends Jul-22-02 13:32:23 PDT)        1550109361 - THE VIKING BOOK OF FOLK BALLADS OF THE ENGLISH
SPEAKING WORLD edited by Albert B. Friedman, $2.88 (ends Jul-22-02
19:02:40 PDT)
        also 1550406569 $4.99 (ends Jul-24-02 09:30:07 PDT)        1550183466 - Who Wrote the Ballads Notes on Australian Folksong
by John S. Manifold, 1964, $4.99 (ends Jul-23-02 08:03:04 PDT)        1550212610 - FOLK SONG IN ENGLAND, A.L.Lloyd, 1969 paperback
edition, 2 GBP (ends Jul-23-02 10:58:48 PDT)        1550275254 - Lord Randal and Other British Ballads by Child,
Dover edition, $22.01 (ends Jul-23-02 16:28:30 PDT) This seller has
several copies of this on Ebay - each in a separate auction. All have
Buy Now.        1550384958 - The British Minstrel 1822 Vol1 by Struthers, 2.99
GBP (ends Jul-24-02 06:54:28 PDT)        1550411477 - POPULAR RHYMES & NURSERY TALES OF ENGLAND,
collected by Halliwell, 1970 edition, $10 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-24-02
09:59:43 PDT)        1549786211 - A BEUK O' NEWCASSEL SANGS Collected by Joseph
Crawhall, 1888, 16 GBP (ends Jul-24-02 11:10:47 PDT)        894723240 - THE WEST VIRGINIA CENTENNIAL BOOK OF ONE HUNDRED
SONGS, 1963, $1.99 (ends Jul-26-02 03:25:04 PDT)        1550779212 - FOLK SONGS and SINGING GAMES OF THE ILLINOIS OZARKS
by McIntosh, 1974, $9.99 inc. LP (ends Jul-26-02 04:20:03 PDT)        2123581899 - NA MELE O HAWAII NEI: 101 HAWAIIAN SONGS collected
by Samuel H. Elbert and Noelani Mahoe, 1970, $4 (ends Jul-26-02 07:43:15
PDT)        1550336404 - Bibliography of Robin Hood by Gable, 1939, $47.50
(ends Jul-23-02 20:34:58 PDT)        OTHER AUCTIONS (These appear to be a combination of online and
live auction. There is a separate registration for bidding. Both of
these auctions end Jul-26-02 03:00:00 PDT.)        1843680308 -  7 nautical books inc. LAWSON [Cecil] Naval ballads
& sea songs, 4to., 1933, 20 GBP        1843680842 - Scots minstrelsie: a national monument of Scottish
song By Grieg, 1890, 6 volumes;
                Songs of the North gathered together from the Highlands
and Lowlands of Scotland by MacLeod and Boulton, 1890 plus 2 other books
in this lot. 50 GBP                                Keep Cool!
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There is a nice obit of Alan Lomax available in today's N.Y. Times.  You can
access it at nytimes.com.        MargeE-mail: [unmask]

Hi folks:Please pardon the cross-posting. Tomorrow's "No Time to Tarry Here" program
will feature 2 hours of field recordings made by Alan Lomax. The program
airs from 2-4 pm Central Daylight Time (USA), which is 1900-2100 GMT. The
URL is:http://www.kdhx.orgThe program will be streamed in RealAudio; might want to check the site in
advance and see if your current RealAudio player will pick it up.Peace,
Paul

> date is 1914 and the composition is credited to William M DoldenThis should be "Golden."
--
John Garst

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Subject: NYTimes.com Article: Alan Lomax, Who Raised Voice of Folk Music
in U.S., Dies at 87This article from NYTimes.com
has been sent to you by [unmask]Alan Lomax, Who Raised Voice of Folk Music in U.S., Dies at 87July 20, 2002
By JON PARELESAlan Lomax, the legendary collector of folk music who was
the first to record towering figures like Leadbelly, Muddy
Waters and Woody Guthrie, died yesterday at a nursing home
in Sarasota, Fla. He was 87.Mr. Lomax was a musicologist, author, disc jockey, singer,
photographer, talent scout, filmmaker, concert and
recording producer and television host. He did whatever was
necessary to preserve traditional music and take it to a
wider audience.Although some of those he recorded would later become
internationally famous, Mr. Lomax wasn't interested in
simply discovering stars. In a career that carried him from
fishermen's shacks and prison work farms to television
studios and computer consoles, he strove to protect folk
traditions from the homogenizing effects of modern media.
He advocated what he called "cultural equity: the right of
every culture to have equal time on the air and equal time
in the classroom."Mr. Lomax's programs spurred folk revivals in the United
States and across Europe. Without his efforts, the world's
popular music would be very different today."What Caruso was to singing, Alan Lomax is to musicology,"
the oral historian Studs Terkel said in 1997. "He is a key
figure in 20th-century culture."In an interview, Bob Dylan once described him as "a
missionary."Mr. Lomax saw folk music and dance as human survival
strategies that had evolved through centuries of
experimentation and adaptation; each, he argued, was as
irreplaceable as a biological species. "It is the voiceless
people of the planet who really have in their memories the
90,000 years of human life and wisdom," he once said. "I've
devoted my entire life to an obsessive collecting together
of the evidence."To persuade performers and listeners to value what was
local and distinctive, Mr. Lomax used the very media that
threatened those traditions. By collecting and presenting
folk music and dance in concerts, films and television
programs, he brought new attention and renewed interest to
traditional styles."The incredible thing is that when you could play this
material back to people, it changed everything for them,"
Mr. Lomax once said. Listeners then realized that the
performers, as he put it, "were just as good as anybody
else."Mr. Lomax started his work as a teenager, lugging a
500-pound recording machine through the South and West with
his father, the pioneering folklorist John A. Lomax. They
collected songs of cowboys, plantation workers, prisoners
and others who were rarely heard."The prisoners in those penitentiaries simply had dynamite
in their performances," Mr. Lomax recalled. "There was more
emotional heat, more power, more nobility in what they did
than all the Beethovens and Bachs could produce."Discovering the GreatsOne prisoner recorded by the
Lomaxes in Angola, La., was Huddie Ledbetter, known as
Leadbelly, who began his singing career after John Lomax
helped secure his release in 1934. Alan Lomax produced
Leadbelly's albums "Negro Sinful Songs" in 1939 and "The
Midnight Special," prison songs performed with the Golden
Gate Quartet, in 1940. The Lomaxes held part of the
copyright to his song "Goodnight Irene," and the royalties
they received when the Weavers' recording of it became a
huge pop hit in 1950 helped finance their research trips.Alan Lomax recorded hours of interviews with the New
Orleans jazz composer Jelly Roll Morton in the 1930's, an
early oral-history project that resulted in both a classic
12-volume set of recordings and a 1950 book, "Mister Jelly
Roll," which remains one of the most influential works on
early jazz.In the early 1940's, Mr. Lomax made extensive recordings of
songs and stories by Woody Guthrie, both for the Library of
Congress and for commercial release on RCA Victor as "Dust
Bowl Ballads." In 1941, he made the first recordings of
McKinley Morganfield, a cotton picker and blues singer
better known by his nickname, Muddy Waters.In 1997, Rounder Records began issuing its Alan Lomax
Collection, a series of more than 100 CD's of music
recorded by Mr. Lomax in the deep South, the Bahamas, the
Caribbean, the British Isles, Spain and Italy. A recording
Mr. Lomax made in Mississippi in 1959 of a prisoner, James
Carter, singing the work song "Po' Lazarus," opens the
multimillion-selling, Grammy Award-winning soundtrack of "O
Brother, Where Art Thou?" (Universal).From Harvard to Texas Mr. Lomax was born in Austin, Tex.,
in 1915. He attended Choate and spent a year at Harvard.
But in 1933, he left to enroll at the University of Texas,
where he graduated in 1936 with a degree in philosophy.
Later, he did graduate work in anthropology at Columbia
University. He had already become a folk-music collector,
recording songs with his father."My father was fired from the University of Texas for
recording those dirty old cowboy songs," Mr. Lomax said.
"Cowboys were lowdown, flea-ridden and boozing, so a guy
who associated with them - even though he romanticized them
a lot, as my father did - was looked down on."The Lomaxes' book "American Ballads and Folk Songs" was
published in 1934, followed by "Negro Folk Songs as Sung by
Leadbelly" (1936), "Cowboy Songs" (1937), "Our Singing
Country" (1938) and "Folk Songs: USA" (1946). John A. Lomax
became the curator of the Archive of Folk Song at the
Library of Congress; his son joined him there as assistant
director in 1937.By the end of the 1930's, John and Alan Lomax had recorded
more than 3,000 songs on 78-r.p.m. discs. Generations have
grown up with these Library of Congress recordings.A Life on the RoadDuring the 1930's, Alan Lomax was on
the road regularly, gathering songs across rural America
and in the Caribbean. He recorded gospel choirs, Cajun
fiddling, country blues, calypsos, New Orleans jazz,
Tex-Mex music and Haitian voodoo rituals. The Depression
and labor-organizing songs he collected were released in
1967 as "Hard-Hitting Songs for Hard-Hit People."His recordings would include interviews with the
performers. He was determined to preserve not only the
music, but also the stories behind the songs and the
vanishing communities that produced them.In 1935, he traveled with the writer Zora Neale Hurston and
the folklorist Mary Elizabeth Barnicle to collect music
from the Georgia Sea Islands and along the Florida coast.
Mr. Lomax and Ms. Barnicle blackened their faces with
walnut juice to escape hostile attention from white
neighbors. The music of black migrant workers in the Sea
Islands led Mr. Lomax and Ms. Barnicle to the Bahamas in
1935. While recording work songs from sponge fishermen on
Andros Island, Mr. Lomax interviewed them about their jobs.
When he returned to the Bahamas' capital, Nassau, he was
expelled by officials who believed he was stirring up
worker unrest.Mr. Lomax began a weekly radio program on CBS Radio's
"American School of the Air" in 1939, and then was given
his own network program, "Back Where I Come From." In 1948
he was the host of "On Top of Old Smokey," a radio show on
the Mutual Broadcasting System.Mr. Lomax sang alongside Pete Seeger and Paul Robeson
during the 1948 presidential campaign of former Vice
President Henry A. Wallace. During the McCarthy period,
when Mr. Seeger and other left-wing performers were
blacklisted because of their political views, Mr. Lomax
left the country. He had received a Guggenheim fellowship
to study British folk music and lived in England from 1950
to 1957. He compiled an archive of British folk songs and
created programs for English radio and television. The
sound of rural American music was a major factor in the
British skiffle craze that yielded groups like the Quarry
Men, John Lennon's first band.Mr. Lomax also collected folk music in Spain in 1953-54 and
in Italy in 1955, helping to spur folk revivals in those
countries. Those collecting trips also resulted in two
10-part BBC radio series, on Spanish and Italian folk
music. Columbia Records issued the 18-volume "Columbia
World Library of Folk and Primitive Music" in 1955, a
pioneering survey of world music. "Folk Songs of the United
States," a five-album set, was drawn from Mr. Lomax's field
recordings for the Library of Congress.Fueling a Folk RevivalWhen Mr. Lomax returned to the
United States, the folk revival he had envisioned was
flourishing. His collection "The Folk Songs of North
America" was published by Doubleday in 1960. Young
musicians were learning the songs he had collected and
playing them for eager audiences. Mr. Lomax was a
consultant who helped choose performers for the annual
Newport Folk Festival.He returned to the South in 1959-60 to make the first
stereo field recordings of American music; 19 albums were
released on Atlantic and Prestige Records, including the
first recordings by the country bluesman Mississippi Fred
McDowell. On a 1962 trip to the Caribbean, Mr. Lomax
recorded calypsos, Indo-Caribbean chaupai songs, work
songs, children's songs and steel-band music. He left an
archive of Caribbean music at the University of the West
Indies, which also shared in the royalties on recordings.Mr. Lomax became a research associate in Columbia
University's department of anthropology and Center for the
Social Sciences in 1962, where he began research in
cantometrics and choreometrics. They were systems for
notating and studying music and dance to discover broad
patterns correlating musical styles to other social
factors, from subsistence methods to attitudes about
sexuality. He was associated with Columbia until 1989, when
he moved his work to Hunter College.A Purist to the EndMr. Lomax was displeased by the advent of folk-rock in the
mid-1960's, considering it inauthentic. When the Paul
Butterfield Blues Band performed at the Newport Folk
Festival, he belittled the music, leading to a legendary
fistfight with Bob Dylan's manager, Albert Grossman. He
also denounced Mr. Dylan's move from protest songs to rock.To the end, he remained a vigorous defender of the old
ways. He may have appreciated gospel music, for example,
but he was also quick to point out the loss of the
improvised spiritual harmonies it displaced.Mr. Lomax turned to film and television while continuing
his academic work. He made films about dance with
Forrestine Paulay, a movement analyst, in the 1970's. He
wrote, directed and produced a documentary, "The Land Where
the Blues Began," in 1985. And he wrote, directed, narrated
and produced "American Patchwork," a series of programs on
American traditions shown on public television in the early
1990's. For such efforts, he was awarded the National Medal
of the Arts.A Musical AnthropologyIn the 1980's, Mr. Lomax began work on the Global Jukebox,
a database of thousands of songs and dances
cross-referenced with anthropological data. With video,
text and sound, the Global Jukebox lets users trace
cross-cultural connections or seek historical roots. The
MacArthur Foundation and the National Science Foundation
gave Mr. Lomax grants to create the jukebox, and in 1989 he
set up the Association for Cultural Equity at Hunter
College to work on the project.Mr. Lomax's memoir of his Southern travels, "The Land Where
the Blues Began," was published in 1993 by Pantheon; it won
the National Book Critics Circle award for nonfiction.
Although he had two strokes in 1995, he continued to advise
Rounder Records on the Lomax Collection, a 100-CD series of
his recordings that the label began to reissue in 1997.Mr. Lomax is survived by a daughter, Anna L. Chairetakis,
and a stepdaughter, Shelley Roitman, both of Holiday, Fla.,
and a sister, Bess Lomax Hawes, of Northridge, Calif."We now have cultural machines so powerful that one singer
can reach everybody in the world, and make all the other
singers feel inferior because they're not like him," Mr.
Lomax once reflected. "Once that gets started, he gets
backed by so much cash and so much power that he becomes a
monstrous invader from outer space, crushing the life out
of all the other human possibilities. My life has been
devoted to opposing that tendency."http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/20/obituaries/20LOMA.html?ex=1028167776&ei=1&
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On the Mountains High, our family  recording of 1972 has been re released
by Living Folk Records in Boston as a CD. It contains 13 songs that I
collected, 8 in Vermont from various singers, and 5 in Kentucky from
Florence Fowler. Titles are included under recordings in following web siteMargaret MacArthur
Box 15 MacArthur Road
Marlboro VT 05344
802/254/2549
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from the heart of the Green Mountains

John Roberts tells me that A.L.Lloyd debuted "The Seaman's Hymn" for a
BBC Trafalgar Day in 1955.  Does anyone know if he "wrote" it or if he
"adapted" a broadside or poem, and if the latter, which one?One source also identifies the tune as a shape-note tune from the
collection of a Welsh minister.  Any comments?Steve Roud: Any connection between this and 12666, "Nelson" collected by
Sharp in 1904?Come all you bold seamen wherever you're bound
And always let Nelson's proud memory go 'round.
And pray that the wars and the tumult may cease,
For the greatest of gifts is a sweet lasting peace.
May the Lord put an end to these cruel old wars
And bring peace and contentment to all our brave tars (at last to our shores).-Don Duncan

Does anyone know of a singable tune for "The Marriage of Sir Gawaine"? I
have tunes for some of its variants (King Henry and Half-Hitch).

The song collected by Sharp is as follows (he only noted one verse). Doesn't
seem to be the one that Don is seeking.
Come all you loyal seamen bold that have heard of Nelson's fame
He was styled the British hero and he well deserves the name
He was loyal in his victory the great success in war
None could exceed the battle that he fought at Trafalgar
So my British tars be steady and maintain your glorious name
May you always find Lord Nelson for to lead you on to fame.Steve Roud[unmask] wrote:> John Roberts tells me that A.L.Lloyd debuted "The Seaman's Hymn" for a
> BBC Trafalgar Day in 1955.  Does anyone know if he "wrote" it or if he
> "adapted" a broadside or poem, and if the latter, which one?
>
> One source also identifies the tune as a shape-note tune from the
> collection of a Welsh minister.  Any comments?
>
> Steve Roud: Any connection between this and 12666, "Nelson" collected by
> Sharp in 1904?
>
>
> Come all you bold seamen wherever you're bound
> And always let Nelson's proud memory go 'round.
> And pray that the wars and the tumult may cease,
> For the greatest of gifts is a sweet lasting peace.
> May the Lord put an end to these cruel old wars
> And bring peace and contentment to all our brave tars (at last to our
shores).
>
> -Don Duncan--
Message sent with Supanet E-mail

Hi!        Here I am again :-) Onward to the new list!        SONGSTERS        2124729731 - America First: Republican Campaign Songbook, 1920,
(ends Jul-30-02 05:40:41 PDT)        2125141956 - W W Coles Circus Songster, 1879, $2 (ends Jul-31-02
14:01:51 PDT)        895758259 - WM H.Kibble's Original Uncle Tom's Cabin Songster,
1918, $2.25 (ends Jul-31-02 15:42:40 PDT)        1551294717 - The Temperance Songster, 2 hardback copies, 1920?,
$9.99 (ends Jul-31-02 17:59:38 PDT)        895791489 - 2 Merchant's Gargling Oil Songsters, 1887 & ?, $4
(ends Aug-03-02 18:49:59 PDT)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        1550921318 - AMERICAN BALLADS & FOLK SONGS, John A. Lomax and
Alan Lomax, 1934, $23.50 (ends Jul-26-02 20:35:16 PDT) Books by Lomax
seem to be getting more bids since his death.        1550974852 - Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands.-Lydia
Parrish, 1942, $99.99 (ends Jul-27-02 08:37:36 PDT) This book has been
relisted serveral times now. It has gone done about $25 each time. Maybe
if we keep waiting and watching it will reach a reasonable price.        894928212 - BALLADS AND SONGS OF THE SHANTY-BOY by Rickaby,
1926, $9.99 w/reserve (ends Jul-27-02 11:40:19 PDT)        1551054521 - The Life and Legend of LEADBELLY by Wolfe &
Lornell, 1992, $13 (ends Jul-27-02 17:01:06 PDT)        1551057333 - Cowboy Songs and other Frontier Ballads by JOhn
Lomax, 1922, $6.50 (ends Jul-27-02 17:16:55 PDT)        1551219163 - Heritage Book of Ballads, edited by Leach, 1967,
$9.99 (ends Jul-28-02 12:44:29 PDT)        1551281912 - Ballads & Lyrics of Old France, Lang, 1896, $19.99
(ends Jul-28-02 17:11:08 PDT)        895194124 - SINGING RAILS RAILROADING SONGS JOKES AND STORIES,
2002?, $12 (ends Jul-28-02 18:10:58 PDT)        1551460930 - SINGING IN THE SPIRIT: African-American
  Sacred Quartets in New York City by Allen, 1991, $4.99 (ends Jul-29-02
12:49:29 PDT)        895478959 - German Folksongs, 1908, $2.95 (ends Jul-30-02
07:28:35 PDT)        1551668859 - The Painful Plough by Roy Palmer, 1973, $7.50 (ends
Jul-30-02 13:18:48 PDT)        895560233 - Norway Sings, A Collection of Norwegian Folk Music,
1950, $3.50 (ends Jul-30-02 15:10:34 PDT)        895579842 - "THE COWBOY SINGS" Songs of the Ranch and Range,
1932, $3.50 (ends Jul-30-02 17:07:19 PDT)        1551833188 - Ballads and Lyrical Pieces, Sir Walter Scott, 1806,
40 GBP (ends Jul-31-02 09:34:08 PDT)        1551262663 - Carols of the Coast: a collection of songs, ballads
and legends by Nickerson, 1892, $19.99 (ends Jul-31-02 15:51:35 PDT)        1551969239 - Coal Dust on the Fiddle: Songs and Stories of the
Bituminous Industry by Korson, 1965, $15 (ends Jul-31-02 21:38:52 PDT)        895952164 - Cockney Ding Dong song book Collected by Charles
Keeping, $1 (ends Aug-01-02 14:32:22 PDT)        1551657612 - The Traditional Ballad and Its South Carolina
Survivals. By Reed Smith, 1925, $14.99 (ends Aug-02-02 12:26:10 PDT)        That's it until next week. Keep Cool!                                Dolores--
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On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:58:26 -0400, you wrote:>John Roberts tells me that A.L.Lloyd debuted "The Seaman's Hymn" for a
>BBC Trafalgar Day in 1955.  Does anyone know if he "wrote" it or if he
>"adapted" a broadside or poem, and if the latter, which one?
>
>One source also identifies the tune as a shape-note tune from the
>collection of a Welsh minister.  Any comments?
>
I believe "Prospect" is an earlier versiion of the tune:
http://www.ccel.org/s/southern_harmony/sharm/sharm/hymn/t=Prospect.htmlFound via this discussion in Mudcat:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=24627--
Jeri Corlew

Thanks.  I must remember to go to Digitrad's forum before I post such
queries!-DonJeri Corlew wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:58:26 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >John Roberts tells me that A.L.Lloyd debuted "The Seaman's Hymn" for a
> >BBC Trafalgar Day in 1955.  Does anyone know if he "wrote" it or if he
> >"adapted" a broadside or poem, and if the latter, which one?
> >
> >One source also identifies the tune as a shape-note tune from the
> >collection of a Welsh minister.  Any comments?
> >
> I believe "Prospect" is an earlier versiion of the tune:
> http://www.ccel.org/s/southern_harmony/sharm/sharm/hymn/t=Prospect.html
>
> Found via this discussion in Mudcat:
> http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=24627
>
> --
> Jeri Corlew

Hi!        Well the list has been quiet this week. I guess everyone is on
vacation. I hope there is good music wherever you are!        Here is what Ebay has to offer this week.        SONGSTERS        895943857 - Our Country Cousin" songster, date unknown, $0.50
(ends Aug-04-02 13:48:51 PDT)        895971919 - SKETCH OF THE LIFE, PERSONAL APPEARANCE,
CHARACTER AND MANNERS OF CHARLES S. STRATTON, THE MAN IN MINIATURE,
KNOWN AS GENERAL TOM THUMB, AND HIS WIFE, LAVINIA WARREN STRATTON, inc.
songs, 1874, $24.99 w/reserve (ends Aug-04-02 16:19:57 PDT)        SONGBOOKS, ETC.        1552307099 - The Negro And His Folklore In Nineteenth-Century
Periodicals, edited by Jackson, 1967, $5 (ends Jul-31-02 16:47:33 PDT)        895963207 - Folk songs of Trinidad and Tobago collected and
edited by Olive Walke, 0.80 GBP (ends Aug-01-02 15:25:34 PDT)        1552135574 - American Folksongs of Protest by Greenway, 1953,
$7.95 (ends Aug-01-02 18:11:36 PDT)        2125595909 - Folk Songs of Georgia Negroes by R. W. Gordon,
1929, 2 articles, $7.95 (ends Aug-01-02 21:57:01 PDT)        1552194780 - FOLK-SONGS OF VIRGINIA: A DESCRIPTIVE INDEX AND
CLASSIFICATION by Davis, 1949, $25 (ends Aug-01-02 23:25:49 PDT)        896268528 - WOODY GUTHRIE, Roll On Columbia: The Columbia River
Songs, $5.99 (ends Aug-03-02 11:25:36 PDT)        896268746 - Border Ballads by Tomson, 1888, $19.99 (ends
Aug-03-02 11:27:53 PDT)        1552475141 - "New Mexican Folk-Songs" by Charles F. Loomis, 1892
magazine article, $9.50 (ends Aug-03-02 16:06:29 PDT)        896317154 - The Liberated Woman's Song Book by Jerry Silverman,
1971, $6.50 (ends Aug-03-02 16:32:31 PDT)        1552630926 - The Wheels of the Bus Go Round and Round, School
Bus Songs and Chants, Collected by Nancy Larrick, 1972, $1 (ends
Aug-04-02 12:47:46 PDT)        1552720795 - JAMAICAN SONG AND STORY: ANNANCY STORIES, DIGGING
SINGS, RING TUNES, AND DANCING TUNES, collected and edited by Walter
Jekyll, 1967, $6.50 (ends Aug-04-02 18:50:50 PDT)        896549003 - Songs and Ballads from Nova Scotia by Creighton,
1966, softcover, $8.95 (ends Aug-04-02 19:12:41 PDT)        896560760 - RELIQUES OF ANCIENT ENGLISH POETRY by Percy, 1870
printing, $24.99 (ends Aug-04-02 19:50:49 PDT)        896179455 - SLAVE SONGS BOOK Of THE U.S., reprint of 1867
original, $14.95 (ends Aug-05-02 18:53:14 PDT)        896625828 - Cornish Dialect & Folk Songs by Dunstan, 1932, $2.25
(ends Aug-05-02 08:23:44 PDT)                                See you next week!
                                        Dolores--
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Hi!        I hope that it is cooler where you are reading this! They are
predicting 100 degrees here tomorrow. Hopefully, we won't melt too many
of the people on the Mall for the Smithsonian Folklife Festival.        There are no songsters that I have found this week. :-(        Songbooks, etc.        1546102558 - Modern street ballads by Ashton, Facsimile 1968
edition of 1888 book of english folk and music hall ballads, $7 (ends
Jul-03-02 16:08:33 PDT)
        1546419911 - Scots Minstrelsie,vols 2+2 +4 by Greig, 1900?, 9.99
GBP (ends Jul-05-02 00:22:02 PDT)
        1546475177 - "Religious Folk-Songs of The Negro" and the subtitle
"As Sung At Hampton Institute", 1927, $9.99 (ends Jul-05-02 11:49:15
PDT)
        890704046 - Sweden Sings, no author or date give, $3 (ends
Jul-05-02 13:38:00 PDT)
        890717493 - Mountain Ballads and old time songs by Bradley
Kincaid. 1937, $7 (ends Jul-05-02 15:00:06 PDT)
        1546534153 - OLD ENGLISH BALLADS by Gummere, 1904 edition, $9.95
(ends Jul-05-02 18:37:47 PDT)
        1546603417 - Only a Miner: Studies in Recorded Coal-Mining Songs
by Green, 1971, $19.50 (ends Jul-06-02 08:22:31 PDT)
        1546654331 - THE WHITE ROSE GARLAND of YORKSHIRE DIALECT VERSE
and LOCAL AND FOLK-LORE RYYMES by Halliday, 1949, 3.99 GBP (ends
Jul-06-02 13:57:47 PDT)
        890941611 - Turkish Folk Songs from Cukurova, $34.99 (ends
Jul-07-02 00:41:29 PDT) The seller of this book has several other
auctions. Each seems to be a songbook for a different Turkish region.
        890992120 - The Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands by Moffat,
$5 (ends Jul-07-02 10:07:23 PDT)
                also 1547149575 - $9.95 (ends Jul-08-02 17:50:09 PDT)
        890993905 - Japanese Folk-Songs by Hattori, $4 (ends Jul-07-02
10:14:23 PDT)
        1546834167 - HULLABALOO AND OTHER SINGING FOLK GAMES AND SINGING
FOLK DANCES by Chase, 1949, $3 (ends Jul-07-02 13:18:28 PDT)
        1546878907 - Shanties from the Seven Seas by Hugill, 1994 Mystic
Seaport softcover reprint, $6.99 (ends Jul-07-02 16:47:48 PDT)
        1546927271 - Folk Songs Hawaii Sings by Kelly, 1963, $18 (ends
Jul-07-02 19:17:30 PDT)
        1546975211 - A Texas-Mexican Cancionero, Folksongs of the Lower
Border by Paredes, 1995 reissue in softcover, $4.50 (ends Jul-07-02
22:52:21 PDT) The original hardcover edition was in last week's list.
        1547065716 - Ukrainian Minstrels: And the Blind Shall Sing by
Kononenko, $24.99 (ends Jul-08-02 12:55:17 PDT)
        1547153324 - The Minstrelsy of England by Moffat, 1901, $12.95
(ends Jul-08-02 18:02:03 PDT)
        1547024120 - Vermont Folk Songs and Ballads by Flanders and
Brown, 1968 edition, $8.50 (ends Jul-11-02 08:55:35 PDT)        That's it for this week. Have a happy 4th of July (everyone in
the US, at least)!                                Dolores--
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> Embro, Embro - the hidden history of Edinburgh in its music,
> by Jack Campin (A CD-ROM of the music of Edinburgh.)This, in my opinion, is a magnificent and important work from Jack
Campin, who has been collecting and researching the songs and music
from the wider Edinburgh area for years now. This is a project of no
small ambition, as a city of such historical significance is bound to
proffer a profusion of material. The scope is indeed huge, and Jack has
brought it together and presented it in an exciting and fascinating
way. Here is the story of Edinburgh through its riots, its courtships,
and its crimes. The major historical events are explored and explained,
while little-known, everyday incidents bring a whole different slant to
the normal image of staid, middle-class Edinburgh.The technical aspect of this collection is worth commenting on. The
format is plain HTML, which should be accessible to ANYONE with a
browser, adhering to the original visions for HTML. This is good news
in this world of proprietary software and its drive towards monopolies.
The main contents page is the backbone of the collection, from which
you can access the nineteen main chapters. It is very clear and easily
navigated through; the songs and tunes are obtained by clicking on
links; other links take you back to the main text, or the contents
list. For the music, You are given a choice of formats: ABC, Midi,
Quick-time movie files, or even a Gif file which will display staff
notation on the screen.Jack has arranged the material into several sections: the people of
Edinburgh, their trades, their distractions, love and sex, religion,
war, politics, and so on. This is a well-tried and successful format
allowing detailed explorations into background history and related
topics. Sources are given for every item within the main text (although
I would have liked these sources repeated on the song and tune pages),
and a detailed glossary supplied. There are bonuses too: an
Edinburgh-related chronology from when Agricola invaded the Lothians
until the Foot and Mouth disease of 2001. Even Jack's "Music of
Dalkeith"  is here, a sister work this time concentrating on a smaller
town within minutes of Edinburgh.The electronic format works extremely well; the only problem might be
the way it will be perceived. If this were in printed book form I think
it would be hailed as a monumental work, but I fear its impact on CDRom
will not be as forceful. Pity, because on the strength of Embro, Embro,
this is a contender for future publishing methods.--
Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland
[unmask]
http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/

I can only add that US residents can order it through CAMSCO Music
(800/548-FOLK [3655]), [unmask] for $30. This takes care of credit
card or US check payment, which Jack can't handle directly.dick greenhausNigel Gatherer wrote:> > Embro, Embro - the hidden history of Edinburgh in its music,
> > by Jack Campin (A CD-ROM of the music of Edinburgh.)
>
> This, in my opinion, is a magnificent and important work from Jack
> Campin, who has been collecting and researching the songs and music
> from the wider Edinburgh area for years now. This is a project of no
> small ambition, as a city of such historical significance is bound to
> proffer a profusion of material. The scope is indeed huge, and Jack has
> brought it together and presented it in an exciting and fascinating
> way. Here is the story of Edinburgh through its riots, its courtships,
> and its crimes. The major historical events are explored and explained,
> while little-known, everyday incidents bring a whole different slant to
> the normal image of staid, middle-class Edinburgh.
>
> The technical aspect of this collection is worth commenting on. The
> format is plain HTML, which should be accessible to ANYONE with a
> browser, adhering to the original visions for HTML. This is good news
> in this world of proprietary software and its drive towards monopolies.
> The main contents page is the backbone of the collection, from which
> you can access the nineteen main chapters. It is very clear and easily
> navigated through; the songs and tunes are obtained by clicking on
> links; other links take you back to the main text, or the contents
> list. For the music, You are given a choice of formats: ABC, Midi,
> Quick-time movie files, or even a Gif file which will display staff
> notation on the screen.
>
> Jack has arranged the material into several sections: the people of
> Edinburgh, their trades, their distractions, love and sex, religion,
> war, politics, and so on. This is a well-tried and successful format
> allowing detailed explorations into background history and related
> topics. Sources are given for every item within the main text (although
> I would have liked these sources repeated on the song and tune pages),
> and a detailed glossary supplied. There are bonuses too: an
> Edinburgh-related chronology from when Agricola invaded the Lothians
> until the Foot and Mouth disease of 2001. Even Jack's "Music of
> Dalkeith"  is here, a sister work this time concentrating on a smaller
> town within minutes of Edinburgh.
>
> The electronic format works extremely well; the only problem might be
> the way it will be perceived. If this were in printed book form I think
> it would be hailed as a monumental work, but I fear its impact on CDRom
> will not be as forceful. Pity, because on the strength of Embro, Embro,
> this is a contender for future publishing methods.
>
> --
> Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland
> [unmask]
> http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/

Nigel gave me a very generous review of> Embro, Embro - the hidden history of Edinburgh in its music,
> by Jack Campin (A CD-ROM of the music of Edinburgh.)but forgot to include any contact details.The URL for it is <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/embro/>.I have now arranged for payments in US dollars to be made through
CAMSCO Music.  Many thanks to Dick Greenhaus for making this service
available; would there were somebody doing the same for euros.----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Jack Campin  *   11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU,
Scotland
tel 0131 660 4760  *  fax 0870 055 4975  *
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dick greenhaus wrote:> I can only add that US residents can order it through CAMSCO Music
> (800/548-FOLK [3655]), [unmask] for $30.Ed Cray gently reminded me that I hadn't put Jack's contact details on
my review - apologies to Jack and all. Go to
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/embro/> for more details about Embro,
Embro.--
Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland
[unmask]
http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/

I've just received an email booklist from Birchwood Books (UK) which
includes the following:544.  Karpeles, Maud (ed).: Cecil Sharp's Collection of English Folksongs.
London; OUP, 1974. 1st edition hardbacks in slip case.  2 vols.  no
dustwrappers, but protective plastic sleeve around each volume.  Very slight
wear to the boards, and bump to the corner of the slipcase; internally near
Fine. A lovely collection of words and music.  £90.00That would be about $137 US. I already have a set (cost rather more than
this one, which would seem to be a pretty decent price so far as I can tell)
but they don't come up all that often, so I thought I should let you know in
case anyone might be interested. Contact details are:Birchwood Books - specialising in books on the traditional music of the
British Isles.
8 The Colonnade
The Piece Hall
Halifax
West Yorkshire
HX1 1RE
+44 (0)1422 383533
Email [unmask]
http://www.birchwoodbooks.co.ukMalcolm Douglas---
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Hi!        Hope that everyone is staying cool!        Here is the weekly list :-) There are enough songsters this week
so they will be a separate posting probably tomorrow.        891305894 - Sweet Music by Sandberg, 1963, $5.24 (ends Jul-08-02
17:00:35 PDT)
        891339319 - DANISH BALLADS AND FOLK SONGS, 1967, $12.75 (ends
Jul-08-02 19:03:45 PDT)
        1546623011 - Gaelic Songs in Nova Scotia collected by Creighton,
1979 edition, $15.95 (ends Jul-09-02 10:34:42 PDT)
        2118711209 - Negro Folk Music, U.S.A. by courlander, 1992, $4
(ends Jul-09-02 11:39:31 PDT)
        891736403 - Maritime Folk Songs, by Helen Creighton. 1961. $5
(ends Jul-09-02 17:52:13 PDT)
        1547606920 - BIBLIOGRAPHY OF NORTH AMERICAN FOLKLORE AND FOLKSONG
By Charles Haywood, 2 volume set, $22 (ends Jul-09-02 20:22:41 PDT)
        1547641023 - Where is Saint George by Bob Stewart, Pagan Imagery
in English Folksong, 1988, 3.99 GBP (ends Jul-10-02 03:54:01 PDT)
        1547716458 - SHANTIES AND SAILORS' SONGS by Stan Hugill, 1969,
$15.50 (ends Jul-10-02 13:25:21 PDT)
        1547716966 - ULSTER SONGS AND BALLADS. Gregory, 1920, $29.99
(ends Jul-10-02 13:29:07 PDT)
        1547869629 - TRADITIONAL BALLADS OF VIRGINIA by Davis, 1957, $25
(ends Jul-11-02 11:22:21 PDT)
        1547872537 - FOLK VISIONS & VOICES : Traditional Music and Song
in North Georgia by Rosenbaum, 1983, $9.99 (ends Jul-11-02 11:38:06 PDT)
        1547984691 - Minstrelsy of Maine by Eckstorm & Smith, 1927,
$19.95 (ends Jul-11-02 23:25:20 PDT)
        1548018811 - ""Spanish-American Folk songs" collected by Eleanor
Hague, 1917, $10 (ends Jul-12-02 08:31:31 PDT)
        891700355 - Songs of the Hebrides by Kennedy-Fraser, 20 GBP
(ends Jul-12-02 14:57:40 PDT)
        892241738 - Songs of Long Ago, Spanish-American War era songs,
$2.50 (ends Jul-12-02 16:32:03 PDT)
                2119549744 - GI Songs, 1944, $49.99 (ends Jul-12-02
10:11:48 PDT)
        891841243 - Cowboy Songs and other Frontier Ballads by Lomax,
1922, $34.95 (ends Jul-13-02 10:16:22 PDT) There are several other Lomax
books on Ebay just now. A quick search shows several items inc.
1547949861 Songs Of The Cattle Trail And Cow Camp, a 1920 UK edition of
what appears to be a related book.
        1547704158 - Ballads and Songs From Utah by Hubbard, 1961, $9.89
(ends ul-13-02 12:23:00 PDT)
        1548256990 - Never Without a Song (The Years and Songs of Jennie
Devlin, 1865-1952), Newman, 1995, $8.50 (ends Jul-13-02 16:43:45 PDT)
        1548266412 - SPIRITUAL FOLK-SONGS OF EARLY AMERICA by Jackson,
1937, $24.50 (ends Jul-13-02 17:42:31 PDT)
        1548297048 - The Horn Book, Studies in Erotic Folklore and
Bibliography, by G. Legman, 1964, $20 (ends Jul-13-02 20:23:01 PDT)
        1547853452 - West Virginia Folk Music A descriptive guide to
field recordings in the West Virginia and regional history collection.
Edited by John A. Cuthbert, 1982, $6.99 (ends Jul-14-02 09:57:04 PDT)
        1548266988 - The Book of Ballads. Selected and Edited by
MacEdward Leach, 1967, $9.99 (ends Jul-16-02 17:46:30 PDT)        That's it for this week.                                Dolores        P.S. Don't forget that a few items from last week still have not
closed and books that do not sell are often relisted by the seller.--
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I recently discovered that Kip Lornell interviewed Guy Benton Johnson
in 1975.  Johnson was born in 1901, retired in 1969, and died in
1991.  Audio recordings of the interview are in the Kip Lornell
Collection in the Wilson Library, University of North Carolina,
Chapel Hill.  I've just listened to this interview (about 2 hours
long).  About 50 minutes concerns Johnson's "John Henry" research.
He talks about how he came to "John Henry" research, his trip to the
Big Bend area, and Louis Chappell.  Perhaps the most enlightening
thing for me was Johnson's description of the paper that Chappell
submitted in 1927 for publication in a journal edited by Howard W.
Odum.  Odum passed it to Johnson for his evaluation and comments.
Johnson says that he recommended that it be published a slightly
shortened form.  When he asked Odum later what had happened to it,
Odum replied that Chappell had gotten mad when he learned that
Johnson had been consulted about it and had thereupon withdrawn his
submission.  As far as I know, this paper was never published.  In
his book, Chappell goes on at length with accusations that Johnson
stole his stuff.  Johnson says that his 1927 trip to the Big Bend
area had long been planned, independently of Chappell's work.There is nothing in the interview about the Alabama claims that
Johnson turned up.  Evidently he was a believer in Big Bend Tunnel as
late as 1975, despite the fact that by then he had in his possession
independent confirmation of a strong John Henry tradition in the
vicinity of Leeds, Alabama, and among employees of the Central of
Georgia Railway Co.
--
john garst    [unmask]

Hi!        As promised earlier this week, here are the songsters.        1547961443 - Put's Golden Songster, 1858, California mining
songs, $56 (ends Jul-11-02 19:49:25 PDT)
        892031304 - UP TO DATE MINSTREL SONGSTER, 1900?, $9 (ends
Jul-11-02 11:36:52 PDT)
        892268194 - The Star Songster - 1900, $0.99 (ends Jul-12-02
19:42:52 PDT)
        892268549 - John W. Vogels Big Minstrels, 1899, $0.99 (ends
Jul-12-02 19:45:39 PDT)
        892268809 - Hi Henry's Songster, 1905, $0.99 (ends Jul-12-02
19:47:36 PDT)
        892411017 - The American Songster, 1907, $3 (ends Jul-13-02
19:02:24 PDT)
        2120031313 - Lookout Mountain No. Two Songster, 1900?, $24.99
(ends Jul-14-02 08:44:43 PDT)
        1548393905 - Our Own Boys Songster, 1876, $1 (ends Jul-14-02
11:15:08 PDT)
        892823702 - Convention Edition The Temperance Songster, 1904?,
$8.95 (ends Jul-15-02 19:53:32 PDT)
        2120855936 - Democratic Campaign SongFolio, 1900, $9.99
w/reserve (ends Jul-16-02 18:40:16 PDT)
        2119916463 - Billy Holmes's Comic Local Lyrics, 1866, $9.99
(ends Jul-16-02 19:01:52 PDT) (Dan M. - This may be one for you.)
        892988055 - The Temperance Songster, $9.99 (ends Jul-19-02
18:40:26 PDT)                                Happy Bidding!
                                Dolores--
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Jack-
A couple of prospective customers have asked me if they could pay a bit
extra for
airmail delivery. I'm not sure just what the rates are (I don't know what
the
package weighs)--would an extra pound cover the difference?BTW: I can accept credit cards from places that use Euros.dick greenhausJack Campin wrote:> Nigel gave me a very generous review of
>
> > Embro, Embro - the hidden history of Edinburgh in its music,
> > by Jack Campin (A CD-ROM of the music of Edinburgh.)
>
> but forgot to include any contact details.
>
> The URL for it is <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/embro/>.
>
> I have now arranged for payments in US dollars to be made through
> CAMSCO Music.  Many thanks to Dick Greenhaus for making this service
> available; would there were somebody doing the same for euros.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> Jack Campin  *   11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU,
Scotland
> tel 0131 660 4760  *  fax 0870 055 4975  *
http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/
> food intolerance data & recipes, freeware Mac logic fonts, and Scottish
music

Hi there,I'll be traveling for two months starting next week and it would be nice to
meet
up with other singers and ballad scholars wherever possible.My travel plans are only constrained by the gigs I have booked and there's a
fair amount of spare time in between. So I'd love to hear from people in any
of
the areas I'll be. (To find out where I'll be please check my itinerary at
http://www.sharronkraus.com - click on 'gigs')Many thanks,
Sharron Kraus

Hi!        Here I am again! One slight change this week. Don has suggested
that I put a blank line between each entry to increase readibility. I'll
try it with this list and await comments.        At the moment, there are no songsters of interest. If any
appear, I will post a list later in the week.        Songbooks, etc.        892900186 - Germania Album, 1977?, $1 (ends Jul-14-02 10:46:09
PDT)        1548416167 - American Folksongs for Children by Seeger, 1946,
$5.99 (ends Jul-14-02 12:49:39 PDT)        1548478921 - The Limerick by Legman, 1964, $6 (ends Jul-14-02
17:36:10 PDT)        1548659671 - Kentucky Folkmusic: An Annotated Bibliography by
Burt Feintuch, 1985, $4 (ends Jul-15-02 14:00:49 PDT)        1548791318 - Songs of Irish Rebellion by Zimmerman, 1967, $4.99
(ends Jul-16-02 08:02:30 PDT)        1548807251 - Wobblies, Pile Butts, and Other Heroes by Green,
1994, $12.50 (ends Jul-16-02 09:55:13 PDT)        2120716887 - On the Trail of Negro Folk Songs by Scarborough,
date unknown, $15 w/reserve (ends Jul-16-02 11:02:22 PDT)        892978957 - ASHER SIZEMORE AND LITTLE JIMMIE'S 1937 Edition
"SONGS OF THE SOIL", 1936, $4.50 (ends Jul-16-02 18:02:48 PDT)        892993844 - Negro Spirituals, 1932, $15 (ends Jul-16-02 19:07:04
PDT)        893405523 - Roustabout Songs, Collection of Ohio River Valley
songs collected by Mary Wheeler, 1939, $9.99 (ends Jul-16-02 21:06:37
PDT)        893069782 - POPULAR AMERICAN RECORDING PIONEERS: 1895-1925, by
Tim Gracyk, $24.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-17-02 08:49:41 PDT) This is a bit
off-topic but I thought it might be of interest to someone.        1549099064 - British Poets,English & Scottish Ballads 8 Vol,
edited by Child, 1866, $81 (ends Jul-17-02 18:20:08 PDT)        1549154119 - Australian Bush Ballads by Douglas Stewart & Nancy
Keesing, 1957 reprint, $3 AU (ends Jul-18-02 02:40:17 PDT)        1549205379 - Games and Songs of American Children, Dover
reprint, $5 (Jul-18-02 10:35:46 PDT)        1549236572 - DHA CHEAD de CHEOLTAIBH ULADH by Enri O Muirgheasa,
1934, $34.99 (ends Jul-18-02 12:52:47 PDT)        1549237204 - SCOTTISH SONG, Its Wealth, Wisdom, and Social
Significance by Blackie, 1889, $49.50 (ends Jul-18-02 12:56:41 PDT)        893366990 - Scandinavian Songs and Ballads, 1953, $24.50 (ends
Jul-18-02 18:39:05 PDT)        893379571 - Songs America Voted By, Silber, 198?, $3 (ends
Jul-18-02 19:17:38 PDT)        1549327145 - The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. Selected
and Edited by Ralph Vaughan Williams and A. L. Lloyd, 1976 edition,
$9.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-18-02 20:15:57 PDT)        1549370674 - German Lyrics and Ballads by Hatfield, 1911, $0.99
(ends Jul-19-02 07:03:10 PDT)        893556668 - Folksongs of Florida by Morris, $7 (ends Jul-19-02
20:38:44 PDT)        893067180 - THE BON ACCORD COLLECTION OF BOTHY BALLADS, Wright,
2 GBP (ends Jul-20-02 08:27:16 PDT)        893673530 - Elmore Vincents Lumber Jack Songs, 1932, $8.50 (ends
Jul-20-02 16:03:55 PDT)        1549186873 - The Broadside Ballad A Study in Origins and Meaning
by Shepard, 1962, 2.50 GBP (ends Jul-21-02 08:45:44 PDT)                                See you next week!
                                Dolores--
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Thanks again, Doris, for your scouting.
I'm interested in the Mary Wheeler book and the lumberjack songs; is anyone
else?
Norm Cohen>
>         892900186 - Germania Album, 1977?, $1 (ends Jul-14-02 10:46:09
> PDT)
>
>         1548416167 - American Folksongs for Children by Seeger, 1946,
> $5.99 (ends Jul-14-02 12:49:39 PDT)
>
>         1548478921 - The Limerick by Legman, 1964, $6 (ends Jul-14-02
> 17:36:10 PDT)
>
>         1548659671 - Kentucky Folkmusic: An Annotated Bibliography by
> Burt Feintuch, 1985, $4 (ends Jul-15-02 14:00:49 PDT)
>
>         1548791318 - Songs of Irish Rebellion by Zimmerman, 1967, $4.99
> (ends Jul-16-02 08:02:30 PDT)
>
>         1548807251 - Wobblies, Pile Butts, and Other Heroes by Green,
> 1994, $12.50 (ends Jul-16-02 09:55:13 PDT)
>
>         2120716887 - On the Trail of Negro Folk Songs by Scarborough,
> date unknown, $15 w/reserve (ends Jul-16-02 11:02:22 PDT)
>
>         892978957 - ASHER SIZEMORE AND LITTLE JIMMIE'S 1937 Edition
> "SONGS OF THE SOIL", 1936, $4.50 (ends Jul-16-02 18:02:48 PDT)
>
>         892993844 - Negro Spirituals, 1932, $15 (ends Jul-16-02 19:07:04
> PDT)
>
>         893405523 - Roustabout Songs, Collection of Ohio River Valley
> songs collected by Mary Wheeler, 1939, $9.99 (ends Jul-16-02 21:06:37
> PDT)
>
>         893069782 - POPULAR AMERICAN RECORDING PIONEERS: 1895-1925, by
> Tim Gracyk, $24.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-17-02 08:49:41 PDT) This is a bit
> off-topic but I thought it might be of interest to someone.
>
>         1549099064 - British Poets,English & Scottish Ballads 8 Vol,
> edited by Child, 1866, $81 (ends Jul-17-02 18:20:08 PDT)
>
>         1549154119 - Australian Bush Ballads by Douglas Stewart & Nancy
> Keesing, 1957 reprint, $3 AU (ends Jul-18-02 02:40:17 PDT)
>
>         1549205379 - Games and Songs of American Children, Dover
> reprint, $5 (Jul-18-02 10:35:46 PDT)
>
>         1549236572 - DHA CHEAD de CHEOLTAIBH ULADH by Enri O Muirgheasa,
> 1934, $34.99 (ends Jul-18-02 12:52:47 PDT)
>
>         1549237204 - SCOTTISH SONG, Its Wealth, Wisdom, and Social
> Significance by Blackie, 1889, $49.50 (ends Jul-18-02 12:56:41 PDT)
>
>         893366990 - Scandinavian Songs and Ballads, 1953, $24.50 (ends
> Jul-18-02 18:39:05 PDT)
>
>         893379571 - Songs America Voted By, Silber, 198?, $3 (ends
> Jul-18-02 19:17:38 PDT)
>
>         1549327145 - The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs. Selected
> and Edited by Ralph Vaughan Williams and A. L. Lloyd, 1976 edition,
> $9.99 w/Buy Now (ends Jul-18-02 20:15:57 PDT)
>
>         1549370674 - German Lyrics and Ballads by Hatfield, 1911, $0.99
> (ends Jul-19-02 07:03:10 PDT)
>
>         893556668 - Folksongs of Florida by Morris, $7 (ends Jul-19-02
> 20:38:44 PDT)
>
>         893067180 - THE BON ACCORD COLLECTION OF BOTHY BALLADS, Wright,
> 2 GBP (ends Jul-20-02 08:27:16 PDT)
>
>         893673530 - Elmore Vincents Lumber Jack Songs, 1932, $8.50 (ends
> Jul-20-02 16:03:55 PDT)
>
>         1549186873 - The Broadside Ballad A Study in Origins and Meaning
> by Shepard, 1962, 2.50 GBP (ends Jul-21-02 08:45:44 PDT)
>
>                                 See you next week!
>                                 Dolores
>
> --
> Dolores Nichols                 |
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On 7/13/02, Norm Cohen wrote:>Thanks again, Doris, for your scouting.I will second that.I also like the blank lines between entries. It *does*
help.>I'm interested in the Mary Wheeler book and the lumberjack songs; is anyone
>else?No objections on my part.Anyone else interested in:>         893556668 - Folksongs of Florida by Morris, $7 (ends Jul-19-02
> 20:38:44 PDT)(I'm not going to fight hard for this one; I pretty well blew
my budget on the Kahn auction. But if no one else wants it,
I'm going to try for it.)--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

Hello.  Today would have been woody Guthrie's 90th birthday: he was born on
July 14th, 1912, in Okemah, Oklahoma.  And I understand that, even now,
there is a Woody Guthrie festival in Okemah.        MargeE-mail: [unmask]

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> Your password is W8dqwq8q918213Hi!        This came in this afternoon. It had the Klez virus attached.
Despite the address, [unmask] in the From:, I think that it
originated with a list member at Cornell. (See Received: header at top.)
I have sent Cornell and Colorado admins a message from my account as
Abuse Officer for d-and-d.com.        Everyone on the list who is using Microsoft Outlook may have
been infected if they opened this email. If you want information about
Klez, please go to the Symantec website:
[unmask]">http:[unmask]
html        Marge, is there any way to stop this sort of thing with its
multiple, large and dangerous attachments from reaching the list?
Actually, any attachment is a problem on a mailing list especially for
those getting the digest.                                Now back to ballads!
                                Dolores--
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This is at
http://www.artic.edu/~pgena/political.htmlApparently Peter Gena is a composer who writes "Socio-political Portraits."**************
McKinley (1983), violin, piano and percussion. Title Page | First
Page of ManuscriptMcKinley was written at the request of pianist Yvar Mikhashoff for
the 1983 North American Music Festival in Buffalo. It draws from
three railroad folk songs (from The Long Steel Rail, a compendium
published by the University of Illinois Press) that pertain to the
death of President William McKinley, who was assassinated in Buffalo
during the Pan-American Exposition in 1901. The songs, White House
Blues, Canonball Blues, and Mr. McKinley humorously depict the events
related to the railroad travel following the shooting. Mr. McKinley,
in fact, was made popular in the teens by none other than D. H.
Lawrence, who was known to have sung the tune at social gatherings
with "shocking jocularity." This inspired me to set Mr. McKinley as a
repetitive chorale for the middle section of the work.
**************Does anyone know about Gena's source for the D. H. Lawrence story told here?
--
john garst    [unmask]