Hi!        As promised, here is the songster part of the list.        872296558 - PLANTATION SONGS Eli Shepperd 1901 (ends May-22-02
19:07:25 PDT)
        873102289 - HAROLD ROSSITERS FAMOUS STAR MINSTREL SONGSTER, 1918
(ends May-24-02 18:59:09 PDT)
        1538107984 - Club Songster, Compiled by: Effie Burton and
clifford Adams, 1924 (ends May-26-02 13:33:29 PDT)
        873853321 - "SHE WAS BRED IN OLD KENTUCKY." Songster, 1898?
(ends May-26-02 17:06:31 PDT)        Other miscellaneous items -        873057359 - THE NEW BEEHIVE SONGSTER; Early Recordings of
Pioneer Folk Music; LP and booklet of music from Utah; Mostly
unacompnied vocals (ends May-24-02 17:03:17 PDT)
        874696510 - 2 books from the 1930's: Favorite Old Time songs as
Sung By Frank Dudgeon Over Your Radio Station and Old Time Ballads and
Cowboy Songs compiled by Loye Pack, the cowboy singer (ends May-28-02
15:13:19 PDT)
        and thinking Ed Cray's publications
        873893232 - The Four Sergeants "Bawdy Barracks Ballads", undated
LP (ends May-24-02 18:08:16 PDT)                                Until next week!
                                Dolores--
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]><<I agree with Sandy's warning. This brings up one of the things that
mystifies me about these auctions (old book sales in general). Why do we
so often individual volumes of a set like this? It seems to be
especially common with the Dover Child set. And you see strange
combinations like volumes 2 & 5. It doesn't make any sense.>>Many possibilities. For the Sharp, Vol. 1 was used so much it fell apart,
but Vol. 2 was left relatively intact? (Since many of the Big Ballads are in
Vol. 1, while much of Vol. 2 is other, nonballad material, this is a
distinct possibility.) Someone's dog chewed up Vol. 1, or worse? A dealer
with no brains is dribbling the pieces out one by one? Or someone has a set
with one volume in much better shape than the other; they bought another
set, replaced the bad one, and are auctioning off the extra? Someone bought
just one volume years ago because they couldn't afford both? They got split
up in a divorce? (Don't laugh -- that's what happened to the Harry Smith
Anthology in our family; I got vols 1 & 2, she got vol. 3. I was very glad
when the CD reissue came out.) Similar possibilities for Child.On the other hand, I'd rather have one volume of the Sharp set than no
volumes.Peace,
Paul

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:41:49PM -0500, Paul Stamler wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]>
>
> <<I agree with Sandy's warning. This brings up one of the things that
> mystifies me about these auctions (old book sales in general). Why do we
> so often individual volumes of a set like this? It seems to be
> especially common with the Dover Child set. And you see strange
> combinations like volumes 2 & 5. It doesn't make any sense.>>
>
> Many possibilities. For the Sharp, Vol. 1 was used so much it fell apart,
> but Vol. 2 was left relatively intact? (Since many of the Big Ballads are in
> Vol. 1, while much of Vol. 2 is other, nonballad material, this is a
> distinct possibility.) Someone's dog chewed up Vol. 1, or worse? A dealer
> with no brains is dribbling the pieces out one by one? Or someone has a set
> with one volume in much better shape than the other; they bought another
> set, replaced the bad one, and are auctioning off the extra? Someone bought
> just one volume years ago because they couldn't afford both? They got split
> up in a divorce? (Don't laugh -- that's what happened to the Harry Smith
> Anthology in our family; I got vols 1 & 2, she got vol. 3. I was very glad
> when the CD reissue came out.) Similar possibilities for Child.
>
> On the other hand, I'd rather have one volume of the Sharp set than no
> volumes.Paul,        Thanks for your list of interesting possibilities. I thought of
one other after posting. Some of these sets were issued over a period of
several years (Bronson is an example.) Someone may have had the
money/opportunity to buy one volume but not any of the others.        Sets could also have been split by inheritance as well as
divorce. Heirs don't always realize the significance of having the
entire set.                                Dolores--
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Another possible reason for split sets is that someone kindly lent one
volume out and it was never returned.  This also accounts for the gaps in
some library sets that turn up in book sales.
Norm Cohen> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:41:49PM -0500, Paul Stamler wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dolores Nichols <[unmask]>
> >
> > <<I agree with Sandy's warning. This brings up one of the things that
> > mystifies me about these auctions (old book sales in general). Why do we
> > so often individual volumes of a set like this? It seems to be
> > especially common with the Dover Child set. And you see strange
> > combinations like volumes 2 & 5. It doesn't make any sense.>>
> >
> > Many possibilities. For the Sharp, Vol. 1 was used so much it fell
apart,
> > but Vol. 2 was left relatively intact? (Since many of the Big Ballads
are in
> > Vol. 1, while much of Vol. 2 is other, nonballad material, this is a
> > distinct possibility.) Someone's dog chewed up Vol. 1, or worse? A
dealer
> > with no brains is dribbling the pieces out one by one? Or someone has a
set
> > with one volume in much better shape than the other; they bought another
> > set, replaced the bad one, and are auctioning off the extra? Someone
bought
> > just one volume years ago because they couldn't afford both? They got
split
> > up in a divorce? (Don't laugh -- that's what happened to the Harry Smith
> > Anthology in our family; I got vols 1 & 2, she got vol. 3. I was very
glad
> > when the CD reissue came out.) Similar possibilities for Child.
> >
> > On the other hand, I'd rather have one volume of the Sharp set than no
> > volumes.
>
> Paul,
>
>         Thanks for your list of interesting possibilities. I thought of
> one other after posting. Some of these sets were issued over a period of
> several years (Bronson is an example.) Someone may have had the
> money/opportunity to buy one volume but not any of the others.
>
>         Sets could also have been split by inheritance as well as
> divorce. Heirs don't always realize the significance of having the
> entire set.
>
>                                 Dolores
>
> --

On 5/21/02, Norm Cohen wrote:>Another possible reason for split sets is that someone kindly lent one
>volume out and it was never returned.  This also accounts for the gaps in
>some library sets that turn up in book sales.
>Norm CohenOr, of course, there is the possibility that there is only *one*
split set in the world (for each book, of course), but it keeps
getting re-sold as each new owner finds a complete set. :-)--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

On Tue, 21 May 2002 11:41:40 -0500, Paul Stamler wrote:>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert B. Waltz <[unmask]>
>
>>        1537594562 - English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians
>>Volume Two by Cecil J. Sharp, 1952 printing (ends May-26-02 18:26:26 PDT)
>
><<No bids on this one yet. Hard to believe. Do I really have free
>reign?>>
>
If that's a misprint for 1932, that's ok.  I wasn't aware of a 1952
reprint.  Thing is, you do want 1932, there's a good deal more material
than the original 1917.I believe they come up often enough to be safe to buy them one at a time.
You may save a good $100 buying them separately.  (I think.)-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

Re: SharpOn Tue, 21 May 2002 15:16:17 -0400, Dolores Nichols wrote:>P.S. I've checked in several different ways and volume I of this set not
>on Ebay.Try ABE used book exchange http://www.abebooks.com/ as well.  They dealers
but are often cheaper than ebay and you can ask the seller details.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

On Wed, 22 May 2002 01:05:29 -0400, Dolores Nichols wrote:>        Thanks for your list of interesting possibilities. I thought of
>one other after posting. Some of these sets were issued over a period of
>several years (Bronson is an example.) Someone may have had the
>money/opportunity to buy one volume but not any of the others.Or worse, even.  The spouse bought me vol 1 & 2 of Bronson as a birthday
pres back in 1969.  A fortune then but I'd been mooning about them for
years.  We were going to buy the rest over some time.Someone stole them from us.  If anyone auctions off my two volumes, look
out!  I'm gonna get you!-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

For the record, the 1932 edition was reprinted in 1952. At least, that;s what
my copy says.
dick greenhausAbby Sale wrote:> On Tue, 21 May 2002 11:41:40 -0500, Paul Stamler wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Robert B. Waltz <[unmask]>
> >
> >>        1537594562 - English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians
> >>Volume Two by Cecil J. Sharp, 1952 printing (ends May-26-02 18:26:26 PDT)
> >
> ><<No bids on this one yet. Hard to believe. Do I really have free
> >reign?>>
> >
> If that's a misprint for 1932, that's ok.  I wasn't aware of a 1952
> reprint.  Thing is, you do want 1932, there's a good deal more material
> than the original 1917.
>
> I believe they come up often enough to be safe to buy them one at a time.
> You may save a good $100 buying them separately.  (I think.)
>
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
>                   I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
>                         Boycott South Carolina!
>         http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

I'm normally content to lurk on this list - but wonder if this might be of
interest:Zimmermann's "Irish Songs of Rebellion:Irish Political street ballads and
rebel songs 1780-1900" has just been reprinted. Details are at:
http://www.four-courts-press.ie/cgi/bookshow.cgi?file=songsreb.xmlRegards

On Wed, 22 May 2002, Martin Ryan wrote:> I'm normally content to lurk on this list - but wonder if this might be of
> interest:
>
> Zimmermann's "Irish Songs of Rebellion:Irish Political street ballads and
> rebel songs 1780-1900" has just been reprinted. Details are at:
> http://www.four-courts-press.ie/cgi/bookshow.cgi?file=songsreb.xml
>
It should be noted that house has also published Zimmerman's commanding,
even magisterial _The Irish Storyteller._Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: Abby Sale <[unmask]>>>        1537594562 - English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians
>>Volume Two by Cecil J. Sharp, 1952 printing (ends May-26-02 18:26:26 PDT)
>
><<No bids on this one yet. Hard to believe. Do I really have free
>reign?>>
>
<<If that's a misprint for 1932, that's ok.  I wasn't aware of a 1952
reprint.  Thing is, you do want 1932, there's a good deal more material
than the original 1917.>>Not a misprint -- there was a 1952 edition, I think from Oxford Univ. press
but don't quote me. That's the one they have at our public library.Peace,
Paul

Paul is correct.The indicia on my copy of volume II, published by Oxford U P, reads:"First Published 1932/Second Impression 1952"EdOn Wed, 22 May 2002, Paul Stamler wrote:> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Abby Sale <[unmask]>
>
> >>        1537594562 - English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians
> >>Volume Two by Cecil J. Sharp, 1952 printing (ends May-26-02 18:26:26 PDT)
> >
> ><<No bids on this one yet. Hard to believe. Do I really have free
> >reign?>>
> >
> <<If that's a misprint for 1932, that's ok.  I wasn't aware of a 1952
> reprint.  Thing is, you do want 1932, there's a good deal more material
> than the original 1917.>>
>
> Not a misprint -- there was a 1952 edition, I think from Oxford Univ. press
> but don't quote me. That's the one they have at our public library.
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>

Wasn't there also an edition in which the two volumes were bound in one?
When was that issued?
        SandyEd Cray wrote:
>
> Paul is correct.
>
> The indicia on my copy of volume II, published by Oxford U P, reads:
>
> "First Published 1932/Second Impression 1952"
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, 22 May 2002, Paul Stamler wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Abby Sale <[unmask]>
> >
> > >>        1537594562 - English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians
> > >>Volume Two by Cecil J. Sharp, 1952 printing (ends May-26-02 18:26:26 PDT)
> > >
> > ><<No bids on this one yet. Hard to believe. Do I really have free
> > >reign?>>
> > >
> > <<If that's a misprint for 1932, that's ok.  I wasn't aware of a 1952
> > reprint.  Thing is, you do want 1932, there's a good deal more material
> > than the original 1917.>>
> >
> > Not a misprint -- there was a 1952 edition, I think from Oxford Univ. press
> > but don't quote me. That's the one they have at our public library.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Paul
> >

>Wasn't there also an edition in which the two volumes were bound in one?
>When was that issued?
>         SandyMine says "1960."
--
john garst    [unmask]

Hi folks:I've been digging through various versions of songs called "Uncle Bud" and I
must say many of them seem pretty tenuously connected. One, collected in
Texas, includes a spoken introduction describing him as the man in charge of
transporting prisoners to the state penitentiary at Huntsville; most of the
versions I've found, though, are from elsewhere, and seem to describe
different "Uncle Bud"s. Can anyone give some background on the various
"Uncle Bud" songs? Thanks in advance!Oh, and while we're at it: Does anyone know if the song "The Panic's On",
recorded by Furry Lewis in 1927 but not issued, is the same song as Hezekiah
Jenkins's 1931 song?Peace,
Paul

Sandy:Wasn't that the scarce 1917 publication?  I don't have it in my library
so I can't check.EdOn Wed, 22 May 2002, Sandy Paton wrote:> Wasn't there also an edition in which the two volumes were bound in one?
> When was that issued?
>         Sandy
>
> Ed Cray wrote:
> >
> > Paul is correct.
> >
> > The indicia on my copy of volume II, published by Oxford U P, reads:
> >
> > "First Published 1932/Second Impression 1952"
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > On Wed, 22 May 2002, Paul Stamler wrote:
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Abby Sale <[unmask]>
> > >
> > > >>        1537594562 - English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians
> > > >>Volume Two by Cecil J. Sharp, 1952 printing (ends May-26-02 18:26:26 PDT)
> > > >
> > > ><<No bids on this one yet. Hard to believe. Do I really have free
> > > >reign?>>
> > > >
> > > <<If that's a misprint for 1932, that's ok.  I wasn't aware of a 1952
> > > reprint.  Thing is, you do want 1932, there's a good deal more material
> > > than the original 1917.>>
> > >
> > > Not a misprint -- there was a 1952 edition, I think from Oxford Univ. press
> > > but don't quote me. That's the one they have at our public library.
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > > Paul
> > >
>

Mine is dated 1973, and according to the flysheet it was originally
published in 1932 and reprinted in 1952, 1960, 1966 and 1973. I can't speak
for anything later, but mine is definitely the two volumes as one published
by OUP.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Garst" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Ebay List - 5/20/02> >Wasn't there also an edition in which the two volumes were bound in one?
> >When was that issued?
> >         Sandy
>
> Mine says "1960."
> --
> john garst    [unmask]
>

On Thu, 16 May 2002 18:51:32 -0400, Abby Sale wrote:>Anyone going to Mystic Sea Song Fest this year?Just to remind you that today seems to be the last day to get that
Southwest Air 1/2 price deal to fly to Providence for the Mystic Fest. See
yiz.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

 I was raised in Crockett, Texas, about 50 miles from the prison at
Hunstville, but never heard of "Uncle Bud"  except as an obscene song, which
I never completely learned.  It was well known among the cadets at Texas A &
M College in 1934 or '35. It started:
    "Old Uncle Bud is the jelly-roll king;
    Got a hump in his back from shakin' that thing."Sam

>  I was raised in Crockett, Texas, about 50 miles from the prison at
>Hunstville, but never heard of "Uncle Bud"  except as an obscene song, which
>I never completely learned.  It was well known among the cadets at Texas A &
>M College in 1934 or '35. It started:
>     "Old Uncle Bud is the jelly-roll king;
>     Got a hump in his back from shakin' that thing."
>
>SamIf there are non-obscene versions, I'd like to hear about them.
Also, are there versions that might qualify as ballads.Sam, did you give us all you recall, or is there more?  If there is,
how about posting the whole thing.Thanks.--
john garst    [unmask]

I've often seen only a few volumes of a multi-volume set available in a
bookstore.  Someone buys what they can and waits hopefully for the rest...
particularly with out of print books.  I remember this was particularly true
of the Dover 5-vol edition of Child.

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>Dear Colleagues,As some of you are aware, a team of five researchers and myself
are currently working on a detailed catalogue of the James
Madison Carpenter Collection.  (For more details of the Collection,
see the Library of Congress Finding Aid at the following URL)http://lcweb.loc.gov/folklife/guides/carpenter.txtThe cataloguing project is due for completion in November 2002
and will be available online.  In addition, the Library of Congress is
digitising the Collection and, when the necessary preparations have
been undertaken and permissions gained, it is hoped that the
catalogue will link directly to the public presentation of the digitised
images and sound recordings.We are now in the process of applying for funding to prepare a hard-
copy critical edition of the Collection, along the lines of such
publications as <italic>The Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection</italic>, <italic>Folktales
of Newfoundland </italic>or, further back, <italic>The Frank C. Brown Collection</italic>.
It is envisaged that this edition will complement the online raw
materials of the Collection, providing a synthesised, reliable and
tangible form for users, complete with scholarly commentary,
annotations, and biographical details of contributors, as well as an
introduction to Carpenter's biography and the making of the
Collection (I'm working on a full biography of Carpenter alongside
the work with the team on the Collection - when I have time!).As well as letting listmembers know of these activities and hopes,
my reason for writing is simply to try and get a feel for the potential
audience 'out there' for such a publication.  It is obviously important
for us, and potential funders, to have an idea of the extent of likely
use of such a resource.  We (the team - consisting of David
Atkinson, Elaine Bradtke, Bob Walser, Eddie Cass, and Tom
McKean) feel we glimpse the enormous value of this Collection, but
what of others?  Are folks, beyond us, interested in the contents of
this Collection, and are folks interested in a critical edition of it (I
*don't* mean 'interested enough to buy it', just interested enough to
make use of a hard-copy edition, as distinct from, or in tandem
with, the online catalogue and eventual digitised Collection)?Any feedback on this score would be much appreciated.  I'm also
happy to provide further information about the Collection.
Meanwhile, I have a funding application deadline of 31 May (which
has prompted this musing in the first place) so early responses
would be particularly welcomed!Many thanks for your help on this.All best wishes,Julia Bishop<nofill>Julia C. Bishop (Dr)
National Centre for English Cultural Tradition
University of Sheffield
Sheffield  S10 2TN
U.K.Tel: (Direct Line) 0114 222 6295
(NATCECT Office) 0114 222 6296
EMAIL: [unmask]

Please put me down as one who will delightedly make use of the Carpenter
Collection in all of its available forms.  At the age of 85 I have just given
up public performances (last concert given earlier this month), and have not
taught my "Forms of Folklore" course at UCSD for several years, but shall
never relinquish my personal interest in all aspects of folklore. Among my
prized possessions are _The Frank C. Brown Colletion_ and volumes 1 and 2
(the first of which was given to me years ago by Pat Shuldham-Shaw at the
Pinewoods, Massachusetts, folk music camp) of the _Gavin Grieg Collection_
and I look forward with much pleasure to learning more about the Carpenter
material.Many thanks,Sam Hinton
La Jolla, CA

Dear Julia:Like Sam Hinton, I too would report my keen interest in the publication of
the Carpenter Collection in hardcovers.Moreover, I would like to suggest that you and your colleagues, in
connection with a publisher such as the University of Illinois Press,
devise a subscription plan whereby we can pay an annual fee and receive an
annual (more or less) volume.Such a plan worked for the Roxburghe Club in the 19th C., and dozens of
other publications in the 20th.  It works today too in the subscriptions
that underwrite the output of various small, art presses; as well as in
the publication of scholarly festschriften.  (And there is no small reward
in seeing one's name in a Tabula Gratulatoria for having helped to bring
such a worthy project to print.)I am rather certain that others on the ballad-l list would be pleased to
subscribe.Ed

very interested

Julia:
Yes, I'd use it. I wish to hell it had been available for a couple of recent endeavors of mine, but there are others I'm still plugging away at where the Carpenter Collection would be very helpful I'm sure.
I first came across the CC back in 1966 while digging around in the Widener card catalog.  I asked about it and was told that it was "across the river" in storage. I could make arrangements to see it, but of course that would take time. I promised
myself I'd make those arrangements, but what with one thing and another I never did. Just as well, perhaps, because obviously it has wound up in very capable hands.
I like Ed's subscription idea, too.Sandy (Ives, not Paton, though I bet you'll hear from him too)

On 5/27/02, Sandy Ives wrote:[ ... ]>I like Ed's subscription idea, too.I like the subscription idea also, but I find myself wondering --
is this the way to distribute things these days?I ask this for two reasons. One is, how many subscriptions are
needed, and how much will each subscription cost, if we are to
keep the project up? The other is, how many copies does that
buy? That is, will there be extra copies printed for future
scholars? And how many?The weekly eBay list demonstrates this point: There are never
enough copies of important books in circulation -- and yet,
they're usually out of print. Is there some way we (meaning
the ballad world as a whole) can somehow keep books like
this coming out -- and keep them in print?I find myself wondering if we aren't at a point where we
ought to be publishing on CD-R. I know a CD-R isn't nearly
as nice as a book -- but the production costs are much
lower, and it need never go "out of print" as long as there
is someone around to burn another copy.Admittedly this opens the danger of people copying the
thing -- but the very fact that demand would be so small
makes me think that's less likely. Those of us likely
to buy such a volume are also smart enough to realize
that, if you steal things like this, pretty soon people
will stop creating them.--
Robert B. Waltz  - - - - - - - - Ballad Index Editor
1078 Colne Street
Saint Paul, MN 55103-1348
651-489-1930 - - - - - - - - - - e-mail: [unmask]The Ballad Index Web Site:
http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexTOC.html

Hi!        Here is the weekly list. Good luck bidding!        1538413203 - Songs Of The Cowboys Compiled by N. Howard "Jack"
Thorp, Songs as written and collected by the author, 1921. This one ends
tonight. I apologize for the short notice. I just found it yesterday.
        1538889250 - Oxford Book of Ballads, 1969 (ends May-28-02
07:59:35 PDT)
        1539495496 - VRANJANKA and Other Jugoslav Songs and Dances,
Collected by Dick Crum for the Tamburitzans of Duquesne University, 1957
(ends May-30-02 11:07:09 PDT)
        1539074907 - The Sound of History: Songs & Social Comment. Roy
Palmer, 1988 (ends May-30-02 22:47:27 PDT)
        875898494 - Negro Somgs From Alabama Collected By Harold
Courlander, 1963 (ends May-31-02 10:13:40 PDT)
        1539179120 - The American Songbag by Carl Sandburg (ends
May-31-02 16:15:10 PDT)
        876094005 - OLD ENGLISH BALLADS & FOLK SONGS edited by WILLIAM
DALLAM ARMES, 1927 (ends May-31-02 19:27:29 PDT)
        876952920 - SONS OF NORWAY SONG BOOK 1967 (ends Jun-01-02
22:52:30 PDT)
        875526809 - DOWN-EAST SPIRITUALS And Others, Collected and
edited by George Pullen Jackson, data unknown (ends Jun-02-02 13:34:54
PDT)
        875766098 - Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads collected
by John A. Lomax & Alan Lomax, 1966 edition (ends Jun-02-02 20:55:38 PDT)        Other Folklore Books (Should I ignore books of this sort in the
future?)        875539178 - The Land Where the Blues Began by Alan Lomax. 1993
(ends May-28-02 14:02:21 PDT)
        1538838770 - FOLK SONG IN ENGLAND by A. L. Lloyd, 1967 (ends
May-29-02 21:10:10 PDT)
        2106170120 - THE NEGRO AND HIS FOLKLORE IN NINETEENTH CENTURY
PERIODICALS. edited by Bruce Jackson, 1969 (ends May-30-02 08:08:39 PDT)
        1539027017 - GUIDE FOR FIELD WORKERS IN FOLKLORE by Kenneth
Goldstein, 1974 (ends May-30-02 18:50:11 PDT)
        1539054728 - ESSAYS IN THE STUDY OF FOLK-SONGS by
MARTINENGO-CESARESCO, date unknown (ends Jun-02-02 20:30:35 PDT)        Songsters        1539166987 - The Bugle-Call Edited by Geo. F. Root. 1863 (ends
May-31-02 14:49:24 PDT)
        2106635944 - Ferguson & Mack's Political Candidates Songster,
1880's (ends May-31-02 17:47:15 PDT)
        877360103 - Turn Back the Universe Songster, 1916 (ends
Jun-02-02 17:21:52 PDT)
        1539995999 - THE FORGET-ME-NOT SONGSTER Containing A
Choice Collection of Old Ballad Songs as Sung by Our Grandmothers,
1800's (ends Jun-02-02 17:44:15 PDT)
        2107585908 - Lot of Women's Temperance Union Song Books (ends
Jun-02-02 17:49:56 PDT)                I think that's it for now. Good luck!
                                Dolores--
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Bob:In my (limited) experience, subscription-supported printing means that the
subscribers underwrite a portion of the costs.  The art presses such as
Zamoro have the entire cost prepaid.  (So too did the Roxburghe Society,
the Rymour Club and the Ballad Society, I understand.)  Others budget the
subscriptions to prepay only a fraction of the cost; the press runs
additional copies to sell, and thus recoups the costs, plus the profit,
if any.In deciding the cost of a subscription, the press would have to calculate
what risk it wants to take, a possible list price, whether there is any
foundation support, etc.My guess?  Assume a volume about the size of the Bronson volumes: $75 per
number.  Value once it goes out of print?  Double that -- or more.EdOn Mon, 27 May 2002, Robert B. Waltz wrote:> On 5/27/02, Sandy Ives wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >I like Ed's subscription idea, too.
>
> I like the subscription idea also, but I find myself wondering --
> is this the way to distribute things these days?
>
> I ask this for two reasons. One is, how many subscriptions are
> needed, and how much will each subscription cost, if we are to
> keep the project up? The other is, how many copies does that
> buy? That is, will there be extra copies printed for future
> scholars? And how many?
>
> The weekly eBay list demonstrates this point: There are never
> enough copies of important books in circulation -- and yet,
> they're usually out of print. Is there some way we (meaning
> the ballad world as a whole) can somehow keep books like
> this coming out -- and keep them in print?
>
> I find myself wondering if we aren't at a point where we
> ought to be publishing on CD-R. I know a CD-R isn't nearly
> as nice as a book -- but the production costs are much
> lower, and it need never go "out of print" as long as there
> is someone around to burn another copy.
>
> Admittedly this opens the danger of people copying the
> thing -- but the very fact that demand would be so small
> makes me think that's less likely. Those of us likely
> to buy such a volume are also smart enough to realize
> that, if you steal things like this, pretty soon people
> will stop creating them.
>
> --
> Robert B. Waltz  - - - - - - - - Ballad Index Editor
> 1078 Colne Street
> Saint Paul, MN 55103-1348
> 651-489-1930 - - - - - - - - - - e-mail: [unmask]
>
> The Ballad Index Web Site:
> http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexTOC.html
>

On 5/27/02, Ed Cray wrote:>Bob:
>
>In my (limited) experience, subscription-supported printing means that the
>subscribers underwrite a portion of the costs.  The art presses such as
>Zamoro have the entire cost prepaid.  (So too did the Roxburghe Society,
>the Rymour Club and the Ballad Society, I understand.)  Others budget the
>subscriptions to prepay only a fraction of the cost; the press runs
>additional copies to sell, and thus recoups the costs, plus the profit,
>if any.
>
>In deciding the cost of a subscription, the press would have to calculate
>what risk it wants to take, a possible list price, whether there is any
>foundation support, etc.
>
>My guess?  Assume a volume about the size of the Bronson volumes: $75 per
>number.  Value once it goes out of print?  Double that -- or more.But that's just the problem. At that price, we're looking at
something close to library prices -- and libraries aren't buying
folk music books any more.And so it won't sell, and the press runs will be small, and ten
years from now we'll be paying $150 per volume *if we can get
it at all.*This is counter-productive. Nay, it's *stupid*. We need to find
a way to make these collections truly accessible, and to keep
them in print. We are doing no one any service by charging these
prices. We assure publication, yes, but we can't get the number
of copies that ought to be out there.I'm not saying CD-R is the answer. I'd rather have an actual
*book*. But I'd like still more to have two books. Or three.Along with everything else, we're probably shutting off potential
future scholars with this approach.
--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

I'm definitely interest in the FMN Songster, folks.  Anyone else?  (Ed?)
Norm Cohen> Hi!
>
>         Here is the weekly list. Good luck bidding!
>
)
>
>
>         Songsters
>
>         1539995999 - THE FORGET-ME-NOT SONGSTER Containing A
> Choice Collection of Old Ballad Songs as Sung by Our Grandmothers,

Go for it, Norm. It's already too rich for my pocketbook!
        SandyNorm Cohen wrote:
>
> I'm definitely interest in the FMN Songster, folks.  Anyone else?  (Ed?)
> Norm Cohen
>
> > Hi!
> >
> >         Here is the weekly list. Good luck bidding!
> >
> )
> >
> >
> >         Songsters
> >
> >         1539995999 - THE FORGET-ME-NOT SONGSTER Containing A
> > Choice Collection of Old Ballad Songs as Sung by Our Grandmothers,

On Mon, 27 May 2002 13:38:23 +0100, Julia C.Bishop wrote:>Are folks, beyond us, interested in the contents of
>this Collection, and are folks interested in a critical edition of it (I
>*don't* mean 'interested enough to buy it', just interested enough to
>make use of a hard-copy edition, as distinct from, or in tandem
>with, the online catalogue and eventual digitised Collection)?I'm very interested in this.  Looks like a treasure finally dug up and
made available.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
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On Mon, 27 May 2002 09:55:12 EDT, [unmask] wrote:>I have just given
>up public performancesWell, I guess you're entitled - been doing them it for a while now, I
guess.I trust your tapes will still come out from time to time, though.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

Bob:Until such time as print-on-demand reaches maturity, hardcover books will
dominate the distribution and permanent storage of knowledge.  (Pace
web-lovers.)If libraries are not buying folk music, then the press run will be that
much smaller, and the per unit cost will go up.  (There is a saying in the
publishing business that the first copy costs a hundred thousand, the next
copy a penny.)A hardcover edition does not negate publication of a CD-ROM.  Some might
even buy both, the one for bibliophilic pleasure, the other for quick
research.EdOn Mon, 27 May 2002, Robert B. Waltz wrote:> On 5/27/02, Ed Cray wrote:
>
> >Bob:
> >
> >In my (limited) experience, subscription-supported printing means that the
> >subscribers underwrite a portion of the costs.  The art presses such as
> >Zamoro have the entire cost prepaid.  (So too did the Roxburghe Society,
> >the Rymour Club and the Ballad Society, I understand.)  Others budget the
> >subscriptions to prepay only a fraction of the cost; the press runs
> >additional copies to sell, and thus recoups the costs, plus the profit,
> >if any.
> >
> >In deciding the cost of a subscription, the press would have to calculate
> >what risk it wants to take, a possible list price, whether there is any
> >foundation support, etc.
> >
> >My guess?  Assume a volume about the size of the Bronson volumes: $75 per
> >number.  Value once it goes out of print?  Double that -- or more.
>
> But that's just the problem. At that price, we're looking at
> something close to library prices -- and libraries aren't buying
> folk music books any more.
>
> And so it won't sell, and the press runs will be small, and ten
> years from now we'll be paying $150 per volume *if we can get
> it at all.*
>
> This is counter-productive. Nay, it's *stupid*. We need to find
> a way to make these collections truly accessible, and to keep
> them in print. We are doing no one any service by charging these
> prices. We assure publication, yes, but we can't get the number
> of copies that ought to be out there.
>
> I'm not saying CD-R is the answer. I'd rather have an actual
> *book*. But I'd like still more to have two books. Or three.
>
> Along with everything else, we're probably shutting off potential
> future scholars with this approach.
> --
> Bob Waltz
> [unmask]
>
> "The one thing we learn from history --
>    is that no one ever learns from history."
>

Hi folks:I too would support the project, and buy it if I have the money when it
comes out, but I also agree with Bob Waltz that something has to be done to
ensure that this material remains available to scholars, not scarce and
available only through good fortune and e-bay.When Missouri Friends of the Folk Arts produced its collection of field
recordings, "I'm Old But I'm Awfully Tough", part of their grant from the
NEA was to fund the donation of a copy to every public library in the state,
and (I think -- it's been quite a few years) to every elementary-school
library as well. Since public libraries aren't spending much on folk music
books any more, perhaps part of the funding could be used for "underwritten
purchases" -- actually gifts to selected libraries across the country, to
ensure that the published material remains accessible.I realize that library sales are an important part of the "income" column
for any project like this, and I don't suggest cutting into that, but I
think it'd be a good idea to augment the list of library placements with a
few that otherwise wouldn't happen.And yes, I definitely favor a parallel storage in digital form!Peace,
Paul

Norm and Others:I will pass on the Forget-Me-Not Songster offered on Ebay.  I am waiting
for a first edition, published by Nafish and Cornish.Ed

There will be buyers in Ireland - I'll be one.John Moulden

I am certainly interestedDavid G. Engleemail:  [unmask]
web:    http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore
        http://www.csufresno.edu/forlang        The Traditional Ballad Index:
        http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexTOC.html---

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 10:18:21AM -0700, David G. Engle wrote:
> I am certainly interested
>
>
> David G. Engle        Me, too! Tardily, but not too late, I hope. -- aloha, Lani<||> Lani Herrmann * [unmask]
<||> 5621 Sierra Ave. * Richmond, CA 94805 * (510) 237-7360

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Hi- hardcover plus CD-ROM is the way that Mark Heiman is planning for his new
edition of Child. Perfectly sensible. Especially since the CD-ROM can remain
available even after the more-desireable hard copy goes out of print.Ed Cray wrote:> Bob:
>
> Until such time as print-on-demand reaches maturity, hardcover books will
> dominate the distribution and permanent storage of knowledge.  (Pace
> web-lovers.)
>
> If libraries are not buying folk music, then the press run will be that
> much smaller, and the per unit cost will go up.  (There is a saying in the
> publishing business that the first copy costs a hundred thousand, the next
> copy a penny.)
>
> A hardcover edition does not negate publication of a CD-ROM.  Some might
> even buy both, the one for bibliophilic pleasure, the other for quick
> research.
>
> Ed
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2002, Robert B. Waltz wrote:
>
> > On 5/27/02, Ed Cray wrote:
> >
> > >Bob:
> > >
> > >In my (limited) experience, subscription-supported printing means that the
> > >subscribers underwrite a portion of the costs.  The art presses such as
> > >Zamoro have the entire cost prepaid.  (So too did the Roxburghe Society,
> > >the Rymour Club and the Ballad Society, I understand.)  Others budget the
> > >subscriptions to prepay only a fraction of the cost; the press runs
> > >additional copies to sell, and thus recoups the costs, plus the profit,
> > >if any.
> > >
> > >In deciding the cost of a subscription, the press would have to calculate
> > >what risk it wants to take, a possible list price, whether there is any
> > >foundation support, etc.
> > >
> > >My guess?  Assume a volume about the size of the Bronson volumes: $75 per
> > >number.  Value once it goes out of print?  Double that -- or more.
> >
> > But that's just the problem. At that price, we're looking at
> > something close to library prices -- and libraries aren't buying
> > folk music books any more.
> >
> > And so it won't sell, and the press runs will be small, and ten
> > years from now we'll be paying $150 per volume *if we can get
> > it at all.*
> >
> > This is counter-productive. Nay, it's *stupid*. We need to find
> > a way to make these collections truly accessible, and to keep
> > them in print. We are doing no one any service by charging these
> > prices. We assure publication, yes, but we can't get the number
> > of copies that ought to be out there.
> >
> > I'm not saying CD-R is the answer. I'd rather have an actual
> > *book*. But I'd like still more to have two books. Or three.
> >
> > Along with everything else, we're probably shutting off potential
> > future scholars with this approach.
> > --
> > Bob Waltz
> > [unmask]
> >
> > "The one thing we learn from history --
> >    is that no one ever learns from history."
> >

I see in the flyer from Heritage Muse, Inc., that their disc version of
the complete Child will also be searchable. That will be very helpful,
but I still like books!
        Sandydick greenhaus wrote:
>
> Hi- hardcover plus CD-ROM is the way that Mark Heiman is planning for his new
> edition of Child. Perfectly sensible. Especially since the CD-ROM can remain
> available even after the more-desireable hard copy goes out of print.
>
> Ed Cray wrote:
>
> > Bob:
> >
> > Until such time as print-on-demand reaches maturity, hardcover books will
> > dominate the distribution and permanent storage of knowledge.  (Pace
> > web-lovers.)
> >
> > If libraries are not buying folk music, then the press run will be that
> > much smaller, and the per unit cost will go up.  (There is a saying in the
> > publishing business that the first copy costs a hundred thousand, the next
> > copy a penny.)
> >
> > A hardcover edition does not negate publication of a CD-ROM.  Some might
> > even buy both, the one for bibliophilic pleasure, the other for quick
> > research.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > On Mon, 27 May 2002, Robert B. Waltz wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/27/02, Ed Cray wrote:
> > >
> > > >Bob:
> > > >
> > > >In my (limited) experience, subscription-supported printing means that the
> > > >subscribers underwrite a portion of the costs.  The art presses such as
> > > >Zamoro have the entire cost prepaid.  (So too did the Roxburghe Society,
> > > >the Rymour Club and the Ballad Society, I understand.)  Others budget the
> > > >subscriptions to prepay only a fraction of the cost; the press runs
> > > >additional copies to sell, and thus recoups the costs, plus the profit,
> > > >if any.
> > > >
> > > >In deciding the cost of a subscription, the press would have to calculate
> > > >what risk it wants to take, a possible list price, whether there is any
> > > >foundation support, etc.
> > > >
> > > >My guess?  Assume a volume about the size of the Bronson volumes: $75 per
> > > >number.  Value once it goes out of print?  Double that -- or more.
> > >
> > > But that's just the problem. At that price, we're looking at
> > > something close to library prices -- and libraries aren't buying
> > > folk music books any more.
> > >
> > > And so it won't sell, and the press runs will be small, and ten
> > > years from now we'll be paying $150 per volume *if we can get
> > > it at all.*
> > >
> > > This is counter-productive. Nay, it's *stupid*. We need to find
> > > a way to make these collections truly accessible, and to keep
> > > them in print. We are doing no one any service by charging these
> > > prices. We assure publication, yes, but we can't get the number
> > > of copies that ought to be out there.
> > >
> > > I'm not saying CD-R is the answer. I'd rather have an actual
> > > *book*. But I'd like still more to have two books. Or three.
> > >
> > > Along with everything else, we're probably shutting off potential
> > > future scholars with this approach.
> > > --
> > > Bob Waltz
> > > [unmask]
> > >
> > > "The one thing we learn from history --
> > >    is that no one ever learns from history."
> > >

By all accounts, this is a remarkable collection.  I would certainly use it
and, depending on the price vs. my budget consider buying the book.All the best,
Dan Milner

Ed is right about print vs. electronic distribution.  The problem is that
press runs can't just get smaller and smaller and smaller and still work.
There comes a point at which yr. friendly neighborhood scholarly publisher
cannot afford to do certain books in hard copy at all, even with nice
subsidies, whether straight-out or subscription.  We have to decide whether
our investment would be better made in another medium (such as Web or
CD-ROM).  We also have to decide whether our time and effort and resources
are better invested in books of relatively limited potential, however
significant and magnificant and dear to our hearts, or in books of similar
quality and import but with greater sales potential.  I'm not talking about
profit.  The p-word is not in our working vocabulary.  Rather, as a former
colleague used to say, We may be nonprofit, but we're not suicidal.We can count on selling a small number of book sales to libraries.  When I
first came to the University of Illinois Press in the early 1970s, that
figure was around 700-800.  Now it's more like 150-250.  To take a local
case in point, where the University of Illinois might have bought half a
dozen copies of a book for the stacks and assorted departmental libraries
back then, it's more likely now to buy one copy.  If a book is very
specialized, we might sell one copy to a library in the state system, and
that one copy will circulate via interlibrary loan.  After we reach the
libraries, however many, we have to count on individual sales, which can be
a slow and frustrating experience.  How many are we on ballad-l?As I understand, the Carpenter Collection is proposed as a multi-volume set.
The pattern with such sets is that the first volume may do reasonably well,
after which the sales figures decline with each volume.For now, given the economy and the gloomy state of publishing and all, some
form of electronic publication seems most attractive, at least for starters.
In some ways this would be easier to use, in some ways less inviting.
Access would be wider, though some people would not have access at all.  In
a better world, you can believe I'd *love* to publish the Carpenter
Collection in elegant, affordable print.JudyJudith McCulloh
Assistant Director and Executive Editor
University of Illinois Press
1325 South Oak Street
Champaign, IL 61820-6903
phone: (217) 244 4681
email: [unmask]
www.press.uillinois.edu----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Cray" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: The James M. Carpenter Collection> Bob:
>
> Until such time as print-on-demand reaches maturity, hardcover books will
> dominate the distribution and permanent storage of knowledge.  (Pace
> web-lovers.)
>
> If libraries are not buying folk music, then the press run will be that
> much smaller, and the per unit cost will go up.  (There is a saying in the
> publishing business that the first copy costs a hundred thousand, the next
> copy a penny.)
>
> A hardcover edition does not negate publication of a CD-ROM.  Some might
> even buy both, the one for bibliophilic pleasure, the other for quick
> research.
>
> Ed
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2002, Robert B. Waltz wrote:
>
> > On 5/27/02, Ed Cray wrote:
> >
> > >Bob:
> > >
> > >In my (limited) experience, subscription-supported printing means that
the
> > >subscribers underwrite a portion of the costs.  The art presses such as
> > >Zamoro have the entire cost prepaid.  (So too did the Roxburghe
Society,
> > >the Rymour Club and the Ballad Society, I understand.)  Others budget
the
> > >subscriptions to prepay only a fraction of the cost; the press runs
> > >additional copies to sell, and thus recoups the costs, plus the profit,
> > >if any.
> > >
> > >In deciding the cost of a subscription, the press would have to
calculate
> > >what risk it wants to take, a possible list price, whether there is any
> > >foundation support, etc.
> > >
> > >My guess?  Assume a volume about the size of the Bronson volumes: $75
per
> > >number.  Value once it goes out of print?  Double that -- or more.
> >
> > But that's just the problem. At that price, we're looking at
> > something close to library prices -- and libraries aren't buying
> > folk music books any more.
> >
> > And so it won't sell, and the press runs will be small, and ten
> > years from now we'll be paying $150 per volume *if we can get
> > it at all.*
> >
> > This is counter-productive. Nay, it's *stupid*. We need to find
> > a way to make these collections truly accessible, and to keep
> > them in print. We are doing no one any service by charging these
> > prices. We assure publication, yes, but we can't get the number
> > of copies that ought to be out there.
> >
> > I'm not saying CD-R is the answer. I'd rather have an actual
> > *book*. But I'd like still more to have two books. Or three.
> >
> > Along with everything else, we're probably shutting off potential
> > future scholars with this approach.
> > --
> > Bob Waltz
> > [unmask]
> >
> > "The one thing we learn from history --
> >    is that no one ever learns from history."
> >

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I seeing to be starting a habit of following the weekly list with the
weekly additions :-(        I was sent email about the following:        1539677636 The Ballad Literature and Popular Music of the Olden
Time, William Chappell, 1965, Dover edition (ends Jun-01-02 17:33:01
PDT)        I also found this book today which looks like a 3 day auction
instead of the usual 5, 7 or 10 days.        1540252426 - FOLKLORE IN THE ENGLISH AND SCOTTISH BALLADS by
Lowry Charles Wimberly, 1965, Dover edition (ends May-30-02 22:28:13 PDT)        Other late additions        2105896187 - John Henry A Folk - Lore Study by Louis W.
Chappell, 1933 (ends May-29-02 09:51:40 PDT)
        878079892 - Folk Songs of the Southern Appalachians by Jean
Ritchie, 1965 (ends Jun-02-02 13:34:20 PDT)
        1539948337 - THE BALLAD AND THE PLOUGH by David Kerrcameron,
1978 (ends Jun-02-02 13:37:53 PDT)                                Dolores--
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The bi-ennial Ulster-American Heritage Symposium takes place 19th-22nd June
in York County SC. It's a cross-disciplinary meeting, held alternately in USA
and Northern Ireland, of students interested in the historical and cultural
links between (especially, North) Ireland and (especially, the Southern)
United States. I generally give a presentation in the hope of persuading
historians to treat songs as a serious historical resource and to try to
illustrate some of the disciplines needed if they are to be adequately
questioned. It's also good fun!I will land at Washington DC on the afternoon of Sunday 16th June. I'll have
a few days at the beginning and want to use them constructively. Does anyone
know of collections of ballads (ballets), in either chapbook or broadside
form in archives at a convenient distance for driving? I'm particularly
interested in collections of Irish printed ballads. If nobody has any ideas;
are there any good parties?It's a pity that New York, Philadelphia and Boston are hardly feasible.John Moulden

John-
I am located just outside of Baltimore toward Washington.
Most of my work has been done at the Library of Congress which
is not a long trip from here via metro subway. If you wish to know
how to go about working there or how to get there I will be glad
to assist. I do not believe that the Library of Congress Ballad and
Broadside index is fully on line, however when I was last there it was
moving in that direction. (a broadside I had just located ((uncataloged))
in a folder went up as an on line image the day after I found it. So there
may be something of interest there. In general many of the materials in the
music depaertment are still not fully cataloged....so you may enjoy a look
around...There are two great Irish Pubs located within a 10 minute walk of the LOC.
I generally find my materials zerox them and then retire to the pub to
digest them with Guinness....  A word of caution about the Libary of
Congress....obtaining materials is extremely time consuming. A closed
stacks library for the most part. You have to get their early in the AM
when they are open. In the main reading room the average wait is an hour
and a half. You can however take the metro subway to within a block of the
library.
As for collections in Baltimore I believe that Johns Hopkins University has
a collection of sheet music-they have an on line collection I believe but I
have never worked there. I can however
get you there efficiently if you find you need to go there. It is about 15
minutes from here.As for partys.....
At our place the party is 24/7
If you are interested in the ancient bars of Baltimore (many good turn of
the century ones still here with great woodwork and interiors...) a tour
can be arranged.
If you want to know about the Irish music scene which is quite active there
are sessions and live music opportunities in Baltimore almost every day of
the week in the evenings. Again these places are about 15 minutes away.
I can also direct you to music locations in Washington.I can be reached at this e.mail or 410-789-0930
402 Nancy Ave.
Linthicum,Md.
21090Have a safe and pleasant journey!
Beware....the weather is heating up considerably.Conrad[unmask] wrote:
>
> The bi-ennial Ulster-American Heritage Symposium takes place 19th-22nd June
> in York County SC. It's a cross-disciplinary meeting, held alternately in USA
> and Northern Ireland, of students interested in the historical and cultural
> links between (especially, North) Ireland and (especially, the Southern)
> United States. I generally give a presentation in the hope of persuading
> historians to treat songs as a serious historical resource and to try to
> illustrate some of the disciplines needed if they are to be adequately
> questioned. It's also good fun!
>
> I will land at Washington DC on the afternoon of Sunday 16th June. I'll have
> a few days at the beginning and want to use them constructively. Does anyone
> know of collections of ballads (ballets), in either chapbook or broadside
> form in archives at a convenient distance for driving? I'm particularly
> interested in collections of Irish printed ballads. If nobody has any ideas;
> are there any good parties?
>
> It's a pity that New York, Philadelphia and Boston are hardly feasible.
>
> John Moulden--
He left his home in the heart of the North
To seek streets paved with gold
But when he reached the golden land of dreams
He found he'd struck fool's goldNow some men work for love of  silver.
And some men work for love of gold.
And some men work for bugger all.
And that's all they can afford- The Whiskey Priests, Streets Paved with
GoldConrad  Bladey =
Dance broadly.
Calendar body.
Deadly carbon.
Oddly, Bean car.
Old brandy ace.

Dear All,Thanks very much indeed for all the positive responses so far.  It
confirms what we hoped, that the value of the Carpenter Collection
is widely recognised and that publication is much to be desired.
This isn't obvious to those outside the field and just to document
this has been a useful exercise for us as a group (we feel
encouraged by the response and are glad that to know that we are
'in touch' with opinion on the Collection held more widely among
colleagues).  It will also help with regard to funding applications.The digital and/or hard-copy discussion has also been of great
interest. It's one we have been having within the research team too.
The list discussion prompts me to mention that we are thinking of
including all the texts of the intellectual items (i.e. the songs, the
plays, etc.) as raw text on a CD-Rom as part of the hard-copy
edition.  This would provide the texts in a searchable format.Once again, thanks for all the expressions of interest so far - keep
them coming!Best wishes,JuliaJulia C. Bishop (Dr)
National Centre for English Cultural Tradition
University of Sheffield
Sheffield  S10 2TN
U.K.Tel: (Direct Line) 0114 222 6295
(NATCECT Office) 0114 222 6296
EMAIL: [unmask]

On 5/29/02, Julia C.Bishop wrote:>Dear All,
>
>Thanks very much indeed for all the positive responses so far.  It
>confirms what we hoped, that the value of the Carpenter Collection
>is widely recognised and that publication is much to be desired.
>This isn't obvious to those outside the field and just to document
>this has been a useful exercise for us as a group (we feel
>encouraged by the response and are glad that to know that we are
>'in touch' with opinion on the Collection held more widely among
>colleagues).  It will also help with regard to funding applications.
>
>The digital and/or hard-copy discussion has also been of great
>interest. It's one we have been having within the research team too.
>The list discussion prompts me to mention that we are thinking of
>including all the texts of the intellectual items (i.e. the songs, the
>plays, etc.) as raw text on a CD-Rom as part of the hard-copy
>edition.  This would provide the texts in a searchable format.
>
>Once again, thanks for all the expressions of interest so far - keep
>them coming!Just as a thought -- since it's clear that a lot of people are
willing to pay for print editions, it doesn't sound like the
CD-ROM will hurt sales of the paper edition much.But selling the CD-ROM *separately* (with both searchable
texts and PDF files of the printed edition) could open up
more sales.Would it be possible to offer both? Sell the book (with CD-ROM)
for perhaps $75 per volume, and the CD alone for $40 or so?
And when the copies of the print version are exhausted,
keep the CD-ROM in the catalog?It seems to me that this answers most of the objections: It still
puts a book out there. It offers a relatively inexpensive
version for students. And it allows the book to stay in
print, at least in CD form, forever.
--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

On 5/29/02, Dolores Nichols wrote:>I seeing to be starting a habit of following the weekly list with the
>weekly additions :-(
>
>        I was sent email about the following:
>
>        1539677636 The Ballad Literature and Popular Music of the Olden
>Time, William Chappell, 1965, Dover edition (ends Jun-01-02 17:33:01
>PDT)I seem to recall someone saying this is still in print. True?
I'm interested in this one, but I'm not going to go too high
on something I can actually get new....--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

You can search PDF text, you know.Peter----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert B. Waltz" <[unmask]>
To: <[unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: The James M. Carpenter Collection> On 5/29/02, Julia C.Bishop wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >
> >Thanks very much indeed for all the positive responses so far.  It
> >confirms what we hoped, that the value of the Carpenter Collection
> >is widely recognised and that publication is much to be desired.
> >This isn't obvious to those outside the field and just to document
> >this has been a useful exercise for us as a group (we feel
> >encouraged by the response and are glad that to know that we are
> >'in touch' with opinion on the Collection held more widely among
> >colleagues).  It will also help with regard to funding applications.
> >
> >The digital and/or hard-copy discussion has also been of great
> >interest. It's one we have been having within the research team too.
> >The list discussion prompts me to mention that we are thinking of
> >including all the texts of the intellectual items (i.e. the songs, the
> >plays, etc.) as raw text on a CD-Rom as part of the hard-copy
> >edition.  This would provide the texts in a searchable format.
> >
> >Once again, thanks for all the expressions of interest so far - keep
> >them coming!
>
> Just as a thought -- since it's clear that a lot of people are
> willing to pay for print editions, it doesn't sound like the
> CD-ROM will hurt sales of the paper edition much.
>
> But selling the CD-ROM *separately* (with both searchable
> texts and PDF files of the printed edition) could open up
> more sales.
>
> Would it be possible to offer both? Sell the book (with CD-ROM)
> for perhaps $75 per volume, and the CD alone for $40 or so?
> And when the copies of the print version are exhausted,
> keep the CD-ROM in the catalog?
>
> It seems to me that this answers most of the objections: It still
> puts a book out there. It offers a relatively inexpensive
> version for students. And it allows the book to stay in
> print, at least in CD form, forever.
> --
> Bob Waltz
> [unmask]
>
> "The one thing we learn from history --
>    is that no one ever learns from history."
>

On 5/29/02, P & VJ Thorpe wrote:>You can search PDF text, you know.Not across multiple files, and you can't use GREP.
(In other words, you can't search for all occurrences
of SAILOR or SAILORS or SAILING; you have to do it
one search at a time.)And Acrobat 5.0's search function is INCREDIBLY slow.So PDF is not a viable option for searching. Also, it's
just possible that there might be someone out there with
a machine that can't read PDF (an obscure unix box,
say). So raw text is highly desirable in addition
to PDF.
--
Bob Waltz
[unmask]"The one thing we learn from history --
   is that no one ever learns from history."

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Hello,I just subscribed to the list and thought I'd introduce myself.I'm an academic philosopher by training but am currently working as little as I can
get away with in order to spend the bulk of my time singing, researching English,
Scottish (and some other) ballads, writing songs and music. I'm based in Oxford,
UK.At the moment I'm working on some Child Ballads and looking for tunes associated
with Kemp Owyne, Clerk Colville, John of Hazelgreen, Young Waters. Does anyone here
have a lead on any of these?Thanks very much,
Sharron KrausP.S. Dolores, your weekly eBay list is very useful - thanks.+++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.sharronkraus.com
+++++++++++++++++++++

Sharron:Good welcome to you, young lady.I suggest you take a look at Bertrand Bronson's _The Singing Tradition of
Child's Popualr Ballads (Princeton University Press, 1976).  "John of
Hazelgreen" (pp. 512-513); "Kempion" (p. 96); "Child Waters" (pp. 166-67);
and "Clerk Colvill" (pp. 107-108).EdOn Thu, 30 May 2002, Sharron Kraus wrote:> Hello,
>
> I just subscribed to the list and thought I'd introduce myself.
>
> I'm an academic philosopher by training but am currently working as little as I can
> get away with in order to spend the bulk of my time singing, researching English,
> Scottish (and some other) ballads, writing songs and music. I'm based in Oxford,
> UK.
>
> At the moment I'm working on some Child Ballads and looking for tunes associated
> with Kemp Owyne, Clerk Colville, John of Hazelgreen, Young Waters. Does anyone here
> have a lead on any of these?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Sharron Kraus
>
> P.S. Dolores, your weekly eBay list is very useful - thanks.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
> http://www.sharronkraus.com
> +++++++++++++++++++++
>

Hello SharronI started hunting tumes for you.First: The Digital Tradition (www.mudcat.org)
        Child #34 Kemp Owayne: 2 of 3 versions have tunes
                one from Bronson
                one from Stokoe, Songs of Northern England
        Child #42 Clerk Colville: 1 of 1 versions has tune
                from Viking Book of Folk Ballads
        Child #293 Jock O' Hazeldeen: 2 of 2 versions have tnes
                one from records
                one from Flanders Ancient Ballads Traditionally Sung in New England
        (Young Waters is hiding, I'll find it later)I started on my American shelf - I'll do Britain later
        Jock of Hazeldine
                3 tunes in Davis Traditional Ballads of Virginia
                1 tune in McNeil Southern Folk Ballads, Vol 1Susan Friedman (Susan of DT)-----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]]On Behalf
Of Sharron Kraus
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:46 AM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Introduction and some queriesHello,I just subscribed to the list and thought I'd introduce myself.I'm an academic philosopher by training but am currently working as little
as I can
get away with in order to spend the bulk of my time singing, researching
English,
Scottish (and some other) ballads, writing songs and music. I'm based in
Oxford,
UK.At the moment I'm working on some Child Ballads and looking for tunes
associated
with Kemp Owyne, Clerk Colville, John of Hazelgreen, Young Waters. Does
anyone here
have a lead on any of these?Thanks very much,
Sharron KrausP.S. Dolores, your weekly eBay list is very useful - thanks.+++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.sharronkraus.com
+++++++++++++++++++++

On Fri, 31 May 2002 06:33:58 -0400, Susan Friedman wrote:>I started hunting tumes for you.
>
>First: The Digital Tradition (www.mudcat.org)Having said that & being already advised of Bronson, there are two other
nice online sources (although I didn't search for the specific songs
requested):Lesley Nelson (The Contemplator) has an excellent selection with tunes at
http://www.contemplator.com/child/index.htmlAnd to my pleasant surprise, the fine Max Hunter field site recently broke
out a Child listing: http://www.smsu.edu/folksong/MaxHunter/child.htmlThere are also several examples of those recorded media things.  Jane
Keefer's excellent guide to recorded sources should be checked
HTTP://folkindex.mse.jhu.edu  She does not break out Child items per se or
give Child numbers but a title search will nicely link different version
titles.But one thing, "Jock O' Hazeldeen" is "owned" by Dick Gaughan of
Edinburgh.  I doubt you'll ever find a better rendition.  It's on his _No
More Forever_ which I think (hope, anyway) is again available.Margaret MacArthur, who sometimes posts here, does a nice New England
version of Kemp Owyne (and many other good-text New England versions).
There are many choices, I guess.Have fun.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
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                        Boycott South Carolina!
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A few more printed sources:
Kinsley, Oxford Book of Ballads has both KempOwayne and Young Waters
Milner, Bonnie Bunch of Roses has Jock o'Hazeldine, as does Moffat,
Minstrelsy of Scotland-----Original Message-----
From: Forum for ballad scholars [mailto:[unmask]]On Behalf
Of Sharron Kraus
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:46 AM
To: [unmask]
Subject: Introduction and some queriesHello,I just subscribed to the list and thought I'd introduce myself.I'm an academic philosopher by training but am currently working as little
as I can
get away with in order to spend the bulk of my time singing, researching
English,
Scottish (and some other) ballads, writing songs and music. I'm based in
Oxford,
UK.At the moment I'm working on some Child Ballads and looking for tunes
associated
with Kemp Owyne, Clerk Colville, John of Hazelgreen, Young Waters. Does
anyone here
have a lead on any of these?Thanks very much,
Sharron KrausP.S. Dolores, your weekly eBay list is very useful - thanks.+++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.sharronkraus.com
+++++++++++++++++++++

A 1999 concert by ballad singer Johnny Ray Hicks will be broadcast on the
"Live at Laurel" program on WDVX-FM, Sunday at 7:00pm EDT.  You can hear it
on the web at  http://www.warpradio.com/asx/wdvx-fm.asxBrent Cantrell
Knoxville

        Some time back I raised a question concerning the publication of
Guthrie T Meade's planned discography of pre-war country recordings and
several of you who contacted me expressed an interest as well. Today I
found the following:Guthrie T. Meade, Jr.'s long awaited book, Country Music Sources: A
Biblio-Discography of Commercially Recorded Traditional Music is slated for
April release by the University of North Carolina Press. As the title
suggests discographies and bibliographies are given for many songs recorded
by country musicians between 1921 and 1942-and those dates are elastic.
Songs are grouped in subject categories and in rough chronological order.
They're placed together regardless of title, so title and artist indices
are included. ISBN 0-8078-2723-1. Info: 800-848-6224; www.uncpress.unc.eduIn spite of the stated April release date my local dealer tells me they
expect shipment on the 24th of June. List price is $90.Clifford J OCHELTREE
N. O. LA

Hi!        I am posting this part of the list early because a couple of
items come up on Monday. I will post the main list on Monday. Also because
we leave for Mystic on Friday morning and return on Monday, it will be
Tuesday or Wednesday after Mystic before I post again.        Also, John Moulden, if you want to see the wilds of Northern
Virginia, give us a call ( the number below is good).        877581052 - "Rosco & Hockwald's Famous Georgia Minstrel
Songster", 1920 (ends Jun-03-02 07:56:46 PDT)
        2107922169 - Merchant's Gargling Oil Songster 1890 (ends
Jun-03-02 18:26:10 PDT)
        2108360866 - Red, White and Blue Songster, Women's Christian
Temperance Union, 1918 (ends Jun-05-02 09:18:13 PDT)
        2108420399 - Bonnie Runnell's Barnum & London Great Circus
Songster, 1880 (ends Jun-05-02 13:33:34 PDT)
        878631725 - Cronin & Sullivan Grand Songster, 1882 (ends Jun-05-02
19:24:46 PDT)        This one closes tomorrow. I really should be on the general list
but is too close to closing.        2107577286 - The Play Party in Indiana by Wolford, 1916 (ends
Jun-02-02 17:34:25 PDT)                                Dolores--
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Wolford's _Play Party in Indiana,_ in an original edition going for $9.99?
A good buy, even a steal.EdOn Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Dolores Nichols wrote:> Hi!
>
>         I am posting this part of the list early because a couple of
> items come up on Monday. I will post the main list on Monday. Also because
> we leave for Mystic on Friday morning and return on Monday, it will be
> Tuesday or Wednesday after Mystic before I post again.
>
>         Also, John Moulden, if you want to see the wilds of Northern
> Virginia, give us a call ( the number below is good).
>
>         877581052 - "Rosco & Hockwald's Famous Georgia Minstrel
> Songster", 1920 (ends Jun-03-02 07:56:46 PDT)
>         2107922169 - Merchant's Gargling Oil Songster 1890 (ends
> Jun-03-02 18:26:10 PDT)
>         2108360866 - Red, White and Blue Songster, Women's Christian
> Temperance Union, 1918 (ends Jun-05-02 09:18:13 PDT)
>         2108420399 - Bonnie Runnell's Barnum & London Great Circus
> Songster, 1880 (ends Jun-05-02 13:33:34 PDT)
>         878631725 - Cronin & Sullivan Grand Songster, 1882 (ends Jun-05-02
> 19:24:46 PDT)
>
>         This one closes tomorrow. I really should be on the general list
> but is too close to closing.
>
>         2107577286 - The Play Party in Indiana by Wolford, 1916 (ends
> Jun-02-02 17:34:25 PDT)
>
>                                 Dolores
>
> --
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Sadly, the daughter & husband can't go to Mystic so we can let go of their
room reservation.  Susan F. found a fine deal for a large double at Econo
Lodge, Groton for 3 nights, two adults under age 60 (no duffer's discount)
for $190.  We'll stay there, ourselves, though.  Give me a call if you
want it - I'll have to cancel Tuesday morning latest, otherwise."Weather Bug" gives the forecast as:THURSDAY:
Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows around 60 and highs in the
upper 60s.FRIDAY:
Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers during the day... Then partly
cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s and highs in the lower 70s.SATURDAY
Partly cloudy. Lows 55 to 60 and highs in the lower 70s.This may not seem so exciting to you far-northerners but to us Floridians
it looks to be a welcome relief.Oi! I'm just looking at the schedule -  it looks like everyone we want to
hear is playing in different loci simultaneously.-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
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                        Boycott South Carolina!
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Arlo almost never posts but he does lurk.><< > > Did Woody Guthrie ever express an opinion about Elvis Presley? >>
>
>I never asked my dad about Elvis... But my mom told me one time years ago
>(50's) that she thought Elvis was great!
>
>As far as Huntingtons Disease goes, there  was a guy years ago trying to prove
>that WWGs work was mostly the result of having the disease. I always wondered
>if that were true why more people with the same disease (hundreds of thousands)
>didn't create anywhere near as much, let alone important, work. There is a
>project in development - recording my dad's erotic (porn is not the appropriate
>word) letters and writings.
>
>Long live the King.
>ArloIs that you?-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
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                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

Since that's the way things go, Mystic Seaport has excessively updated
their site.  Very pretty & slow.There's a much better brief schedule at
http://www.mystic.org/source/show_course.cfm?mcourse=13&mkind=visitand a detailed Saturday, Sunday printable .pdf one at
http://www.mystic.org/visit/seamusic_grid.pdf(Not as clean as John's but one page.)-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
                  I am Abby Sale - in Orlando, Florida
                        Boycott South Carolina!
        http://www.naacp.org/news/releases/confederateflag011201.shtml

Hi!        Here is the main list as now.        1540273608 - ROBERT BURNS: THE MERRY MUSE OF CALEDONIA: A
COLLECTION OF BAWDY FOLKSONGS ANCIENT AND MODERN: Edited by James Burke
and S.G.Smith, 1965 (ends Jun-04-02 05:47:09 PDT)
        1540315614 - SOUTHERN EXPOSURE, THE STORY OF SOUTHERN MUSIC IN
PICTURES AND WORDS by Richard Carlin and Bob Carlin (ends Jun-04-02
11:13:43 PDT)
        2108173595 - The Hogarth Book of Scottish Nursery Rhymes
Collected and Edited by Norah & William Montgomerie, 1964 (ends
Jun-04-02 17:05:21 PDT)
        1540377554 - The Well Tempered Lyre,Songs and Verses of the
Temperance Movement,by George W Ewing. 1977 (ends Jun-04-02 17:23:05 PDT)
        1540482048 - The Book of British Ballads Edited by S. C. Hall,
1853 (ends Jun-05-02 09:19:32 PDT)
        878638845 - GEMS OF SCOTTISH SONG: A COLLECTION OF THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL SCOTCH BALLADS, 1900? (ends Jun-05-02 19:37:31 PDT)
        878727164 - IRISH FOLKSONGS Journal of the Irish Folk Song
Society, London. Part I-V [The Bunting Collection of Irish Folk Music
and Songs, Edited from the Original Manuscripts, 1927-1936 (ends
Jun-06-02 02:33:46 PDT)
        878728443 - Traditional Ballads and Folk-Songs Mainly from West
Virginia by John Harrington Cox. 1964 (ends Jun-06-02 02:49:18 PDT)
        1540645510 - Afro-American FolkSongs by H E Krehbiel, 1914 (ends
Jun-06-02 05:25:26 PDT)
        2108660584 - Songs of the Old Turf Fire, 1966 (ends Jun-06-02
10:14:02 PDT)
        1540795805 - SWEET SONGS FOR GENTLE AMERICANS: THE PARLOR SONG
IN AMERICA, 1790-1860 by Tawa, 1980 (ends Jun-06-02 19:16:55 PDT)
        1540919568 - Ancient Spanish Ballads by Lochart,1856 (ends
Jun-07-02 15:26:29 PDT)
        1540363166 - Singing Family of the Cumberlands by Jean Ritchie,
1955 (ends Jun-07-02 15:58:37 PDT)
        1540497333 - Joseph Ritson ENGLISH SONGS 1783 Folk-Songs and
Ballads This has already gotten several bids and is expensive. I wonder
how many of those bidders are really interested only in reselling the
plates. :-(  (ends Jun-08-02 10:51:36 PDT)
        1541158888 - Bush Ballads of Australia by Bromley, 1985 (ends
Jun-09-02 01:03:17 PDT)
        1540824299 - North Pennsylvania Minstrelsy As Sung in the
Backwoods Settlements Hunting Cabins and Lumber Camps in Northern
Pennsylvania 1840-1910" Compiled by Henry Shoemaker, Published 1919
(ends Jun-09-02 21:46:23 PDT)        I'll probably post an update before leaving for Mystic.                                        Dolores--
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Please post:CALL FOR PAPERS
Bad MusicAn volume of critical essays on the subject of "Bad Music" will be
published by Routledge Press in 2004, edited by Chris Washburne and Maiken
Derno."Bad" is obviously a subjective category, but it is also marked by
specific cultural and historical contestations over what is thought to be
worthy of disdain within a variety of differing contexts. By addressing a
large segment of music which is often systematically ignored by the
scholarly literature, we hope to lay bare the complex dynamics and
dialogical interaction which underpins and perpetually redefines the
relationship between discourses of the "good" and the "bad."The main goal of this book is to discover how aesthetic concerns
previously thought to be intrinsic to the work/performance itself, might
be routinely set aside in favor of a set of alternative evaluative
criteria based on, variously: the communality of the listening experience;
participatory patterns; the politicized message of the lyrics; the
positionality of the musician and/or listener as a racialized, ethnicized,
gendered, and classed subject; business and marketing factors; the impact
of globalization vis-à-vis more narrowly defined national concerns;
canon-building forces within the educational establishment;
genre-transformations within historical genealogies, as well as the
cultural affiliation listeners feel for a particular musical style or
genre  with all of the identity-constructing, community-making, and
boundary-policing processes that accompany such affiliation.  In choosing
to contextualize and analytically engage with questions of individual and
public tastes, our investigation takes place at the crossroads of
aesthetics, cultural analysis, historical musicology, reception theory,
and related disciplines, where discourses on and of the "bad" are
intrinsically tied to musics that more often than not have a real impact
in the daily lives of millions.Of particular interest are papers that present a case study which address
a distinct musical genre or style (e.g. pop, jazz, world music, pop,
Broadway, classical, rock, and liturgical), and the specific ways in which
each is caught up in complicated discourses of quality and value, while at
the same time raising broader social and aesthetic concerns.No abstracts, please. Materials due in hard copy by December 1, 2002
Please send to: Chris Washburne
621 Dodge Hall, MC1813
Music Department
Columbia University
2960 Broadway
New York, New York 10027
Chris Washburne and Maiken Derno
Inquiries can be mailed to: [unmask] & [unmask]

A friend is looking for the words (and perhaps a recording) to "That Cuban
War," a popular song sung to him by a great-uncle who served in WW I. The
uncle said he'd once owned it on a wax cylinder. I don't know if it's a
ballad, but the title is certainly reminiscent of "The Battleship Maine,"
which is at least a [kind of] narrative. -- Any suggestions?Cheers and thanks,Michael Bell

Hi-
If it's a Battleship of Maine variant, it's an amazingly durable song.
Appeared in WWI (That Crazy War), Korea (Fighting for that Bastard Singman
Rhee) and Vietnam (Fighting for that Bastard Colonel Nign).dick greenhausBell Michael wrote:> A friend is looking for the words (and perhaps a recording) to "That Cuban
> War," a popular song sung to him by a great-uncle who served in WW I. The
> uncle said he'd once owned it on a wax cylinder. I don't know if it's a
> ballad, but the title is certainly reminiscent of "The Battleship Maine,"
> which is at least a [kind of] narrative. -- Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers and thanks,
>
> Michael Bell

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