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From: George.Hawes@i-cubed.co.uk (George Hawes)
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Subject: Re: another song for Anzac Day
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jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) wrote:

>In article <336919b3.18497563@snews2.pdfpo.com>,
>Abby Sale <abbysale@orlinter.com>wrote:
>>On 29 Apr 1997 02:12:30 +0100, jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) wrote: <interesting post snipped>>      If you want to see the Privates, I know where they are,
>      I know where they are, I know where they are,
>      If you want to see the Privates, I know where they are,
>      They're dangling on the old barbed wire.

>      I saw them, I saw them, dangling on the old barbed wire,
>      I saw them, dangling on the old barbed wire.

Just as there's a vast number of earlier verses to the above
(too many to sing at one sitting), there are interesting
variants on this last one; the two which spring to mind are

    If you want to find the regiment . . .
and
   If you want to find your husband . . .

But I've always known it as 'find' rather than 'see', and 
also 'hanging on the old barbed wire . . '

To my mind the most powerful of the songs from WW1

Regards

G.


>-- 

>            My opinions; I do not speak for my employer.



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From: exxdgdc@bath.ac.uk (Douglas Clark)
Subject: Re: another song for Anzac Day
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In the referenced article, Roger Gawley <Roger.Gawley@durham.ac.uk>writes:
>
>
>
>On 29 Apr 1997, J.J.Farrell wrote:
>
>
>> Your comment reminds me of one made some years later by Lady Astor,
>> which inspired a great traditional song:
>> 
>>                   ...
>>                   We are the D-Day dodgers,
>>                   Way out in Italy.
>
>Lady Astor says she never said it. Good song though.
>


Hamish Henderson wrote it.
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From: abbysale@orlinter.com (Abby Sale)
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Subject: Re: another song for Anzac Day
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On 1 May 1997 03:48:37 +0100, jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) wrote:

>
>A lot of both, I think. The strategies pursued were usually utterly
>stupid, and the methods of pursuing them were utterly callous. 

Well put.  So be it.

>
>      I saw them, I saw them, dangling on the old barbed wire,

"I'll Tell You Where They Are" is about the battle of the Somme?  I never
realized.  Sure makes sense that it would be. Thanx.

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In article <E9Go4C.AJo.B.ss1@bath.ac.uk>, Douglas Clark <URL:mailto:exxdgdc@bath.ac.uk>wrote:
> 
> In the referenced article, Roger Gawley <Roger.Gawley@durham.ac.uk>writes:
> >
> >On 29 Apr 1997, J.J.Farrell wrote:
> >
> >> Your comment reminds me of one made some years later by Lady Astor,
> >> which inspired a great traditional song:
> >> 
> >>                   ...
> >>                   We are the D-Day dodgers,
> >>                   Way out in Italy.
> >>
> >>
>>>>>>> Snip & reply
>>>>>>> D-Day Dodgers 
>>>>>>> Try < CD-THE YETTIES - 'Out In The Green Fields'
>>>>>>> Ref: CDRR 500 Compact Disc 1990 issue
>>>>>>> REQUEST Contemporary Series - CONIFER RECORDS LIMITED UK.
>>>>>>> Track 15 (4mins & 27sec's)
>>>>>>> Great Melody - Thats if you like Dorset Singing !!!!!
>>>>>>>
-- 
Doc


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Subject: Re: another song for Anzac Day
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In article <337294e2.7847278@snews2.pdfpo.com>,
Abby Sale <abbysale@orlinter.com>wrote:
>On 1 May 1997 03:48:37 +0100, jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) wrote:
>
>>      I saw them, I saw them, dangling on the old barbed wire,
>
>"I'll Tell You Where They Are" is about the battle of the Somme?  I never
>realized.  Sure makes sense that it would be. Thanx.

I don't know that it was about the Somme - I was thinking of a song
reference to keep the thread vaguely relevant to the groups, and that
one seemed appropriate to what I'd said.

Barbed wire was used heavily throughout the Western Front, and I would
guess along all the others as well. The start of the battle of the
Somme might have been one of the biggest instances, but the sight of
dead and dying soldiers hanging on barbed wire for days or weeks at
a time was commonplace.
-- 

            My opinions; I do not speak for my employer.

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From: George.Hawes@i-cubed.co.uk (George Hawes)
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Subject: Re: another song for Anzac Day
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jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) wrote:


>In article <337294e2.7847278@snews2.pdfpo.com>,
>Abby Sale <abbysale@orlinter.com>wrote:
>>On 1 May 1997 03:48:37 +0100, jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) wrote:
>>
>>>      I saw them, I saw them, dangling on the old barbed wire,
>>
>>"I'll Tell You Where They Are" is about the battle of the Somme?  I never
>>realized.  Sure makes sense that it would be. Thanx.

>I don't know that it was about the Somme

It wasn't; it predates the Somme, but without the last verse.
This according to Roy Palmer (see my post in another thread once
I get it together!!)

>but the sight of
>dead and dying soldiers hanging on barbed wire for days or weeks at
>a time was commonplace.

Indeed, but the most common versions have this verse as 'the
regiment' (or similar) hanging on the old barbed wire; it's that
scale which, I suggest, characterises it as being of the Somme
or later?

Regards

G.