Indiana University Archives Accession # 2003/055 Cite this number when talking about the folklore collection in the IU Archives
A STUDY OP RUGBY SONGS James Jarboe for PI01 Submitted to: Carl Lindahl April 27, 1978
This is a collection of Rugby songs through the facts and opin- ions of people associated with Rugby in one way or another. Many peo- ple say that Rugby players are known as hard players, on or off the field. The off-the-field festivities are the ones 1 plan to research} in particular, the actual partying and singing that has become a tra- dition in the sport of Rugby, The Rugby parties have always had a bad reputation and one of the main parts of the party is the singing of the traditional Rugby songs. I have played for the IU Rugby club for the past two seasons, Speaking from personal experience, I can say that it is truly a. gen- tlemen *8 game in every aspect of the word. The hard competition on the field is completely forgotten at the party. Both teams join in song to signify wno hard feelings," No other game is so:< competitive on the field, yet off the field the players are totally dominated with friendship toward their so-called opponents. 1 have put a schedule into my collection, which will help dis- tinguish the sport from any other. It states, "The Only Sport With Three Halves," The first two halves are played on the fields the third is the actual party. In a conversation with Bruce Berstein, I asked "Did we win the match?" He replied, **No, but we won the party," What he seems to be implying is that that the party is just as im- portant as the match, The main function of the party is to sing Rugby songs, Sometimes a club will come up with a new song, or possibly a new verse to an old song, and it will be the highlight of the party,
CD In general, the gongs do not reflect the individuals who sing them. Most songs are passed and shared from team to team. There- fore, the songs only reflect the individuals who created the songs, One guy mightt make up a songs several people will learn it and sing along with the tune. Rugby songs usually rio not reflect the team as a whole. Sometimes some of the team members don't sing the songs at all. At a Rugby party there are only a few so-called song lead- ers, who start the singing of songs, usually by singing their own favorite songs. Everyone joins in, trying to add their own personal verses if possible. Some songs have verses sung by individuals, while everyone joins in at the chorus. The singing of the verses rotate around the party, by each verse singer signaling that he wants the lead. In other songs, the entire song is sung by the group rather than verses being sung by individuals. The songs are very difficult to trace to their origin. Everyone
seems to agree that they have just been passed dowm through the years. The songs have seemed to change, but not dramatically! it is a very slow process. Some songs have changed with society, although others have not changed at all. I wondered if the songs have changed as far as reference to beer becoming reference to drugs. Since it is evi- dent that our present society is more drug-oriented, I felt the songs would change accordingly. However, I discovered that most ruggers have never heard of any songs about drugs. Many verses have changed with society, but not dramatically! the change that tales place is usually only a word—for example, "Garter" instead of "iixon*" Occa- sionally an entire verse is changed. Aside from these minor changes, no song has changed enough to be unrecognizable,
The songe are usually just old tunes put to different words. One such song is Alouette# an old French tune with the words revised by the ruggers. The words are totally different, but the way the song is sung remains exactly as it ever wa,$ . Sometimes Rugby songs are set to a very simple melody , such as "Row* row, row your boat," This type of song encourages participation because of its simplicity* is more people become involved in the singing, the party increa- ses in wildnes^ and each individual is stimulated more for the sport of Rugby* By comparing several of the songs, I will support my hypothesis that most songs are kept simple so that people can join in easily and the memorisation is not too difficult? also, that the songs themselves are traditional, and a very big part of Rugby, I have chosen six male informants to .interview for this project. All my informants have recently been members of the IU Rugby Club* These informants should have their own individual ideas about Rugby songs since all have had experience with actual parties, I inter- viewed all of my informants on a one-to-one correspondence basis. I felt that if the informants were interviewed individually, they would become more serious with the subject matters also, the opinion of others could not influence their answers. My informants are* Bruce B-------, Evan W------, Mark E-------, Joe R-----, Steve C----- and Jon ;M-----. The birthplaces of my informants range from New York City to Cedar Rapids, Iowa* I felt that since the informants all came from different backgrounds, it might make a difference. However, 1 learned that Rugby songs are somewhat universal across the country, *Jon Hines recording session did not developed due to a mal- fuction in the tape recorder,
Evan Williams, at the age of 28, ie the oldest of my informants. I could tell that he was quite familiar with Rugby songs, since he had hie own personal collection of songs. I interviewed all six of the informants in Ivan Williams' house, in an informal atmospheres everyone had come from practice and were in tie partying mood at the time of the interview. The recordings were made in Evan's back bed- room. During the course of the interview, I was interrupted several times, but it did not change the effect of the interview. The fact that a stereo was playing in the background created an even more re- laxed atmosphere. ill of the informants seemed to start out the interview by not -taking it seriously. Sometimes I got small answers with no emphasis on any words . However, as the interviews continued, they seemed to reveal their own personalities and all became quite serious with the questions asked. All the guys I interviewed seemed to be vmjry in- terested in Rugby, and were willing to express their opinions to the best of their knowledge. I tried calling members of the IU Girls* Rugby Club several times. Most seemed interested in my project. In a short conversa- tion with Val Pawcett, an ex-rugger, she stated "I never used to learn-the words to the songs. Also, she said most of the partici- pants at the parties were male, unless the men could find a naive girl who had never been to a Rugby party before. Bis* Pawcett was not sure if IU even had a Girls* Rugby Club any more.
1 have collected several songs that have simple lyrics and easy chorusesi but are traditional favorites at Rugby parties. Informant's Names Ivan Williams Addresss 1321 N, Washington Date collected* Vl3/78 Collectors James Jarboe CHORUSs Balls to your partner, ass against the wall If you've never been laid on Saturday night You*ve never been laid at all. VERSESi First lady forward, second lady back, Third ladjr^s finger up the fourth lady's crack The queen was in the chamber room, eating bread and honey, The king\ms in the chamber maid and she was in the money The village butcher he was there, the cleaver in his hand, And every time he turned around he circumcised a man The village harlot she was there, she was having fits, Swinging from the chandeliers and bouncing off her tits Little Iric he was there, he was having fun, Swinging from the chandeliers and bouncing off his buns The village mortician he was there, quite out of breath While fucking a stiff it farted and it scared him half to death The village carpenter he was there, a looking like a fool, He brought his saw and brought his hammer but he forgot his tool Bobbing for apples his wife was, fun to screw around, But when the village idiot tried it, the stupid fucker drowned Little Eric he was there, but he was only eight, He couldn't have the women so he had to masturbate Willie Randall he was there, at the hot dog stand, A grin upon his face and his weiner in his hand Mrs, Randall she was there, a sitting on a bed, weaving prophylactics from a spool of rubber thread Four and twenty virgins came down from Grand Berness, And when the ball was over there were four and twenty less*t«
® There was fucking in the hallways, funking on the stairs, You couldn't see the floor for the mass of pubic hairs, ♦,» Buxom Hippie she was there, she was having fits, She didn't wear her bra and kept stepping on her tits,,. The village magician he was there, he pulled his favorite trick, He pulled his foreskin over his head and disappeared up his prick The village cripple he was there, he wasn*t up to much, He lined them up against the wall and fuclced them with his crutch The magician's daughter she was there, doing her favorite stunt, She'd put her head between her legs and disappear up her cunt,* Little Eric he was there, what do you think about that, imusing himself by abusing himself and catching it in his hat,,
DARLING GRACE Oh darling Grace I love your face, I love you in your nightie, When the moonlight fits Across your tits OM Jesus Christ Almighty. LIL Although a lady of il-repute Lilian Barker was a beaut, ws,e a And it was really deemed an honour fo be allowed to climb upon her* Her lovely face was smooth and fair, And golden was her flowing hair, Yet pot and hash and cruel cocaine fed ravaged heart and soul and brain. Lil could take with sly content Atrooper of his regiment Hyperbole it sometimes seems, Is not confined to wishful dreams• But soon she had to see a doctor fo find out what disease had pocked her. The diagonsis short and clear Revealed a dose of gonorrhoea. As Lilian lay inhherd.I|sgraeef She felt the deviH kiss her face, She said, f,Now mate Ifm always willing But first let0s see your silver shilling.ft
CAROLINA !|ay down in Alabama fhere the bullshit lies thick The girls are so pretty that the babies come quick There lives Carolina the queen of them all Carolina, Carolina the cow~puncher*s whore• Shefs handy, she's bandyy she shags in the street Whenever you meet her she's always on heat If you leave your flies open, she's after your meat And the smell of her cunt knocks you right off your feet. One night I was riding my down by the fills One hand on my pistol, the other on my balls Isaw Carolina using a stick Instead of the end of a cow-puncherfs dick* I caressed her, undress her and laid her down there And parted the tresses of curly-brown hair Instead the peter of my sturdy horse And then there began a strange intercourse.
CHICAGO Chorus i lused to work in Chicago Ih a department store, I lused to work inChicagoJ But I don*t work there any more A lady came into the hatshop, I isked, "What kind would you like?" "Felt, " she said, Felt I did, 1*11 never work there any more* A lady came in for a waterbottle, I asked, "What kind would you like?* "Rubber,* she said, Rubfer I did, I *11 neTer work there any more•* A lady came in for a sweater, I*&§kedfwWhat kind would you like?" "Jumper, "she siid» Jump*er I did, 1*11 never work there any more, A lady came in for a cake, I asked, "What kind would you like?" "layer, " shes said, I'll never work there any more* A lady came in for a ticket, I asked, "Where would you like to go?" "Bang*er I did, 1*11 never work there any more* A lady came in for a si eeper I asked.""Which berth would you like?" "Upper, "she said, Up*er I did, 1*11 never work there any more.
wm Chorusj Oh bang away Lulu, bang away Lulu Bang away good and strong, **:*. - Whata we to do for a good blow through, . : < Wheii LiiluAs dead, and gone? Some girls work in factories some girls work in stores But my girl works in a knockin* shop with forty other whores• Lulu had a baby, it was an awful shock She couldn't call it Lulu fcos the bastard had a ***** I took her to the pictures we sat in the stalls, And every tim® the lights went out she grabbed me by the ***** She and I went fishing in a dainty punt And every time I hooked a sprat she stuffed it up her ****• I wished I was a silver ring upon my Lulu's hand And every time she scratched her ****, I wish I a chamber pot under Lulu's bed, And every time she took a piss I'd see her maidenhead♦
INTERVIEWS Informants Bruce Bernstein 1* Qs How long have you been associated with Rugby? At This is my third year of playing—I have been playing since my freshman year at TU* 2* Qs Do you participate in the festivities after a match, such as drinking beer and singing? A* Yes—well, that is part of the game* A rugby match has three halves* It is part of the game, the social function* After a game when people start knocking heads together, it is just like knocking beer mugs togefeer* Rugby is the only sport I know that is like that, 3- Q$ How do you think the ritual of singing after a match started? A: Well, Rugby has been played for over a hundred years—it came from England, from soccer. There were some pretty crazy guys back then. They started the traditions of the songs* Nov/ the Americans are carrying it over and adding their versions to it* 4. Qs Do you enjoy the singing? What I mean is* do you relieve pres- sure by singing with an opponent who you've just had a vicious battle with? As I don't like to sings I am more of a shouter and a yeller* I try to handle the choruses rather than being the lead singer* 5» Q* What type of songs are favored by the 1U Rugby Club? A s Probably the most perverted songs you can imagine, with sex and loose women* 6t Qs Do clubs originate their own songs, are the songs shared from club to club? Or fraternity songs? A? There are an infinite amount of songs* IU gets new songs all the time* The teams change the verses* 7* Qs Have the songs changed over the years? If so, in what ways? As Every once in a while I hear a new song—other than that, they are pretty much the same songs* 8* Qs Do you think the songs have become more drug-oriented now that society is more familiar with drugs? Have the songs gone from beer to drugs? As Rugby players in general stay away from drugs* They a re topnotch athletes. They do get wild, but drugs are not usually a part of it* 9. Q* When, at the party, do you know to start singing? Is there a song to get everything started? ht *'IU will you sing a song, sing you fuckers sing!" That takes about after a keg of beer goes by, and everything seems to get started*
10, Qi When a singer messes up a verse, is there something to repri- mand him? At I can't remember offhand, although I have screwed it up myself* 1 think it goess "Why were you born so beautiful, why were you born at all? Him, him, fuck him*" Then he must gussle his beer* 11, Qs How does a person get the chance to sing his verse? As While singing he puts his beer on his head—then everybody else on the floor recognises him to proceed with the song* 12, Qi Do you have an individual favorite? If so, could you possibly sing it? A? I like the songs where itfs group participation, like "Alouette," The nicest chick at the party gets on the table and leads the sing- ing, and everybody follows* Informants Evan Williams Date* Vl3/?8 ANSWERS« i. Nine years* 2* Oh, not me* Of course! What d'you mean? 3. I really don't have any idea*/svlt just jj|*
^* 1 do enjoy the singing, but not necessarily for that reason* The drinking and singing is just a relief, a getting yourself to yell and scream* 5. They are Rugby style, but where everybody participates—the general Rugby style where everybody sings and one person narrates the verse, then everybody sings and another person narrates a verse* Nothing different* 6f Both* Songs are shared from club to club* I could go out to Ca- lifornia and New York, I am at Indiana, and hear the same old Rug- by songs, But the treat is, occasionally a team will come up with a new song, or for old songs will come up with iibw verses* That is a real delight* When a person has a good verse sometimes, they'll stop the songs and congratulate him and drink up* 7, Songs have changed, but not any different trend, It is just some 0 of the old songs are still around* They will always be around* But at a University club, the people change from year to year and the songs change with them* People who are general song leaders, they like a song and sing that song. Therefore, their songs go with them, The new leaders sing new songs*
8, This would be the first 1 have heard of that* I have never had thought of any Rugby songs being drug-oriented. Not too many as- sociate themselves with beer. 9* It is just kind of a feeling* It just doesn't start—what will happen is, you can tell «e have been drinking and everything starts getting going—a few people will start in the corner, the people will come to that area and that will start it. Or sometimes peo- ple will use a song to get other people started, like "Hey, IU, sing up a song! " That usually starts it up. 10, "Why was he born so beautiful, why was he born at all!" It's a song everybody knows. If a person goofs up he has to chug a beer and everyone has to fill up their beers. They continue singing the song. Sometimes people mess up a song on purpose to get a free beer! 11. The individual favorite that I would have are songs which I know the most verses to, so I can participate. Songs 1 don't know the verses, 1 can sing because I goof up* Songs I do know the verses to are my favorite songs. Informants Mark Edwards ("Beter") Vl3/?S 1. 1 suppose about six and a half or seven years. 2. 1 should hope so! Yes, 1 usually care to. It is a/part of the entire thing. 3. The history of Rugby is more religious—and old English tradition* Afterwards it is just a continuation of the match, to do very re- ligious songs of the country, songs they were proud of* Everyone would join in. Still today in England, Wales, during an important match andentire crowd at the point of rally would sing the National Anthem! This has just continued over to America* k>. Partly it does, with the match* But is as much competition as the matches are! That is, for at least older players of a few years ago* That was just one more phase of the match* You would just try to outsing the other club* At the same time as alleviating. so also competition builds up or continues against the other team* 5* Well, you know IU is such a college club that most people can only sing the songs they hear all the time. Very simple, chorus-type songs* There are a few members that have been written up for this. They go out to learn the older and more traditional songs—the more bawdy and harder to learn* But that is not the usual* 6t Most of the songs just came down from the socalled Rugby communi- ty. There is an occasional song that will come out of school, that Is from another source apart from Rugby—fraternity songs.. Then perhaps add their own verses, then start spreading it. Most of the songs are very old, traditional* You can find them in American society, from the Ozark Hills and stuff* It all spread from the original immigrants*
(3 7, Sure. ill. verses have changed* They changed through the years, through people, I know one song that has four different styles to it. From old English to an Ozarir version, to a version I learned, Easternversim—which was the same version of the very same tunes, They change, but it is a very slow process* 8, When you are associated, with Rugby, drugs have their place as a part of the party but it is very distinct from the central vocal part* There haven't been any verses I've heard orientated with drugs. I hope that there never is, That is just a completely dif- ferent attitude than the Rugby ethic, 9, Usually it will start when some of the so-called older heads, party leaders, the accepted party leaders, will find themselves under the influence of a few beveragesf and start singing small songs, And it just becomes a part of them, to work into the songs. There is no particular time, But it is pretty well accepted when the songs are to begin. It is just among the old heads, 10, Of course there are songs to reprimand him* Of course, a person needs to be reprimanded. Because all singing is done dumb. That is a na- tural part. If you are going to mess a verse because of being drunk you^are going to have to pay the penalty of being even further in- toxicated, You have to prove that you are a "macho" person. 11, My favorites, traditional, English, in some cases the Irish folk bal- lads are sung, I have not heard them in this union very much, but there are a few people who 1 know that sing them now and then. When I was growing up, when I was first introduced, I spent a lot of time with Scotsmen, fresh off the boat. He took a lot of time to teach, a few people certain songs, They have just remained. Songs of that nature,, .Black Velvet Band, are my favorites along that line. There are some songs that we do sing now that are along the same lines, 1 enjoy that a lot more, Informanti Joe Raczak ^/l3/?8 1, Three years, 1 started playing at IU three years ago. Just played at IU, nowhere else, 2, Do I participate? Yes, I very much participate, 1 really enjoy it, 1 especially like to lead songs. 3, It started overseas. It started'—probably in England or Ireland, It is probably more traditional over there. Here it is to be taken as a little bit different, or wild. Over there it is their culture*
^. No, it doesnft relieve any pressure, It is pretty fun to do, be- cause it is always funny and the humor is good, It Is one type of sportsmanship you donft find anywhere else!
© 5* The kind that are dirty and drinking songs* My favorites? Alouette, Dinah show ue your legs, Abortion. 6, Usually you just learn them through parties. Some guy will corne from a different club and play and he'will bring new songs* You just pick them up, 7. They haven't changed,**you just learn different verses. Some you > - just donft sing any more* It just depends on who is leading the • song* Theyaare still dirty* 8# No, not at all* That is one of the cool things about Rugby* Rufe- by parties are more beer parties* It is not because of tradition* 9* It is just a spontaneous- movement of the partyi 10. They sing? "Why was he born so beautiful, why was he born at all* He is no fucking use to anyone *tr Then he has to chug a beer during that. 11. Usually you just hold your beer over your head. Somethiig that has a lot of rounds to it, with a lot of people, there is usually a designated leader who points out each person to lead the next verse, 12. Yesi 1 do* Eskimo Nell. It is a very long song. I will explain how it goes* The length makes it neat because no one can remember it* You do it all by yourself. It is really a good ballad. It is about a prostitute and two guys named-Eskimo Nell and Mexican' Pete* They go down to the Rio Grande to do some shooting and fucking. The last verse goes* Deadeye Dick and Mexican Pete slunk out of the Rio Grande—Deadeye Dick with his useless prick and Mexican Pete with no gun in his hand* Informanti Steve Considine if/l3/?8 1, Five years, 2* Always! 3* I think it originated in England* It stemmed from soccer* 1 think v/hen they first started playing it, there were so few teams and they played so many times that they became friends. They always did some sort of party afterwards* 1 am not sure about the singing* I think they used to sing more in those days, and it just kept up* k. I think that might be a misconception* Almost immediately after a game, any animosity you might have for the opponent is gone. As soon as that last whistle blows* I think it is not so much reliev- ing tension* You really try to make friends with the other team* You have played the game long enough, you do play the same team, you actually do make friends* And you actually do things outside of Rugby!
5» 1 would say IU is more of a team that sings songs with refrains. We donft have the guys together as much as a city club where they would really learn all of the words. So since you only have one or two men, they do learn the refrains. Certain people have been around longer, they do the verses, 6, Itfs funny, 1 don't really know exactly where the songs did origi- nate* 1 imagine that one out of every eight clubs you run into one that originates its own songs* Mostly at a Rugby party, if you have played long enough you have heard the song before, But there are some blubs that specialize in certain songs* 7, 1 would say that there are some songs that we sung when I first started that we do not sing any more. Because like 1 said, I have always played for a college team—JU, They just don't carry on tradition as well as, like, a city club that has a guy that's played for a team for eighteen years. They justimve the tradition going. As you graduate, the song leaves, 8, (Question 9) Everybody sort of realizes about what time to start singing* Af- ter everyone has had some and settled down. Somebody from one team will call to another team to sing a song. That is how it will start, 9, (Question 10) There is a Oliver little song they sing, and they make you chug one beer—then they sing the rest of the verse, "Why were you born so beautiful, why were.youyborn at all? You are no fucking use at all, drink chug a lug, drink chug a lug*,f 10, Q% What are the songs about? Women, beer, or partying, A i It's pretty much of a combination—there is a pretty sure bet there is going to be a woman involved!
While interviewing several.members of the J.U. Rugby Club, I have found the members are usually not lifetime players, at least not at I.U. Most players seemed to have been associated with the school first* and thin decided about the Rugby Club. Mark Edwards says, "The I.U. Rugby Club is a college club.fi What he seems tobe implying is that I.U. players come to the university for an education not to just play Rugby* Therefore when they graduate they usually leave the city and the team. All the informants that I interviewed agreed that the 3rd half is just as much as much a; part of the game as the actual match, fhey seem to think that it is very competitive and enjoy- able part of the gamef in the sense that they actually look forward to partying and singing with their opponents. In general, I felt that all the players seemed to have no hardships after a match. Any sport that has men or women fighting on the field and then singing together at a party afterwards, is definitely unique and should recieve favorable recognition for its1 sportsmanship. Most of my informants agreed that the ritual of singing songs after match came from England or in the area where the game was orginated. Although many ruggers do not have any knowledge of the history of Rugby whatsoever. I feel that most Rugby players have never even given any thought to how it started but just realise that singing Rugby songs is quite a tradition0 The songs are respected by every rugger on every club. The l.U. Rugby Club seems to favor dirty, drunken songs, with many refrains. The teams sing songs with many refrains because
they are a lot easier to learn, than acomplete song. While inter- viewing Evan Williams he stated, "They are Rugby style but where everybody participates. The general Rugby style where everybody sings and another person narrates the verse, then everybody sings and another person narrates the verse. Nothing different.11 Mr. Williams makes you feel that the style of I.U. songs are the same as those of many other clubs. The small, short, easily learned songs seem to be very popular among the clubs. I I have found out that most clubs do not orginate their own songs. They take songsgpast down from the years and change the verses. It is said to be a highlight when a team does orginate afew new songs. WI imagine that one out of every eight clubs originate their own songs." Remarks Steve Considne, He feels that most clubs usually never orginate their own songf. As a university club changes from year to year so do their songs, is feeling I got from most of the informants. They seem to think that the songs are brought on by indi- viduals members of the club, rather than the club having a reputation for singing a certain style of songs. In confirmation of my theorjr, I believe Rugby songs have changed over the years but not dramatic- ally. Also,that teams share the songs from club to club and on occ- asion create an original one, for a humorous change, v Along with the tradition of Rugby songs, many different customs have been past down through the years that help out the singing, during the course of the party. One of those customs is when a person wants the lead for the next versei they will put their beer cup on top of their head. This signaling makes you very recognizable to the floor.
This simple hut useful gesture makes the continuation of the song go more smoothly. The floor or song leader recognises each new person to sing the new verse as it rotates around the room* Sometimes at parties« the participants do not seem to get motivated enough to just jump right up and sing, A useful song that is sung to start the singing is MI,U, Mill You Sing Us a Song?" This song is not always used because sometimes the singing will start up in the corner, softly, then it will catch the eye of the whole party, In conclusionf I have developed my knowledge about Rugby songs to many different aspects, while reseaching this paper, I have found that most Rugby songs do not change dramaticallay over the years* at least not in form. Several times the lyrics have been changed but usually the style is carried from year to year. Also most ruggers do not have a basic knowledge of where the songs started, although all ruggers have respect for the songs and appreciate their contents, Rugby is the only sport that I know that has such a unique 3rd half, No other sport to my knowledge, do you actually make friends and party with the opposing team after a match, Rugby issvery extra- ordinary sport, one which 1 have found to be more interesting than any other I have particiated in. Its* difference comes from the ethics of Rugby, where everyman believes in total sportsmanship on or off the field,
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